On 01 May 2006 12:41:20 +0100 Chris Morris <c.********@dur ham.ac.uk> wrote:
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ph************* *@ipal.net writes:
|> On 30 Apr 2006 19:26:38 +0100 Chris Morris <c.********@dur ham.ac.uk> wrote:
|> | Odd, most of the (real) chessboards I've seen are yellow and
|> | black. Maybe it varies from place to place.
|>
|> I've seen a couple like that. But virtually all are red and black.
|
| I'm not sure I've seen any red and black ones.
|
| Maybe you should use CSS and let people select their own preferred
| chess-board colours with alternative stylesheets. ;)
Fine. Show how.
|> |> if I am going to lay out a grid structure as a Chess board, you can
|> |> bet I'm going to set the colors in the HTML tags.
|> |
|> | I can't imagine a situation where HTML-based colour setting would be
|> | more reliable than CSS-based colour setting in such a situation, with
|> | modern browsers at least - every graphical browser I know with an
|> | "ignore CSS" option also has some form of "ignore colours" option. If
|> | the colour is truly part of the content then perhaps an image (with
|> | suitable text alternative) is the better way to provide the
|> | information?
|>
|> So how should the image be done? Don't forget it will be background.
|> There may be an image and/or text placed over it.
|
| Well, again, CSS is not going to be more or less 'reliable' than HTML
| at positioning and providing the image (though CSS has more options).
But how well can CSS choose which squares to color? If the browser
supports :first-child then you can color the top and left ones different.
| I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where you'd want a
| background image of a chessboard (or a background grid in checkerboard
| colours with the exact colour crucial) with text and images
| superimposed. Could you give a bit more detailed example (with a URL
| if you can) of the sort of thing you mean?
You want to color in CSS. Be my guest. Show how. But show CSS that
can be used with any chess board in tables where only the table element
has a class on it.
|> |> And I'm not going to use "float:left " to layout a Chess board, either.
|> |
|> | I'd have thought a chess board was certainly tabular data.
|>
|> It probably comes down to what people see as tabular and not tabular.
|
| Well, when I sketch chessboards out on paper, they end up as a grid
| rather than linearised, which suggests a table. The 2-D relationship
| of the squares and pieces is crucial to understanding the position.
However, the "CSS people" still often whine about the use of tables
for stuff that needs to be 2-D.
|> When I want to align a set of boxes to hold blocks of text, such as
|> news items, I tend to want the behaviour TABLE/TR/TD bring, rather
|> than the behaviour I get with DIV+float.
|
| Whereas if I was writing a news item with a pencil (or for an email) I
| probably wouldn't be so concerned with the layout as long as it was in
| the right 1-D order.
|
| That's not to say a set of news items can't be expressed sensibly in a
| table - it depends how the data for each news item is divided.
Within an item, sure, it would basically be 1-D. But when categorizing
items, and ordering them by some priority or date, then you may want a
grid structure. And tables seems nature for it.
|> | Does IE7 support 'position: table-*'? That gives much the same layout
|> | options but doesn't interfere with table-reading mode so much. (Of
|> | course, even if it does, it'll be a couple of years before it's
|> | generally usable)
|>
|> I have no idea. No IE running here of any version right now.
|
| Well, if IE is out of the equation, and you only want the grid for
| visual presentation, you might as well use position: table-*
The table/tr/td elements are still needed to markup what content goes in
which cell. At that point, it works fine so I don't see the need for a
position property.
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