<< and >> operators in c#

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Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Ben

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Ben wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.

I think you have seen too little code.

They are used - both for real bit manipulation
stuff and for multiplication and division with
powers of two.

Most CPU's actually implement them in their
native instruction set.
Arne

[Michael A. Covington]

They are used - both for real bit manipulation

stuff and for multiplication and division with
powers of two.

Most CPU's actually implement them in their
native instruction set.

In fact that's why we have them.

k = j << 3;

is a lot faster than

k = j * 8;

[Steve Richter]

Ben wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Stephany Young]

Maybe you would like to expand on the 'piping and 'adding' bits.

Also, what makes you think that bit-shifting is seldom used?
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Ben wrote:

>Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Steve Richter]

Stephany Young wrote:

Maybe you would like to expand on the 'piping and 'adding' bits.

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end
of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

Also, what makes you think that bit-shifting is seldom used?

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply
or divide, better to use those operators. ( and the optimized compilers
of today likely bit shift when we multiply by a constant that is a
power of 2. )

-Steve

>

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Ben wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Stephany Young]

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end

of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

And what language might that be defined in?

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply

Just because you personally have not used a powerful element of the language
for years, don't assume that other people don't use it regularly.
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Stephany Young wrote:

>Maybe you would like to expand on the 'piping and 'adding' bits.

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end
of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

>Also, what makes you think that bit-shifting is seldom used?

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply
or divide, better to use those operators. ( and the optimized compilers
of today likely bit shift when we multiply by a constant that is a
power of 2. )

-Steve

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Ben wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Steve Richter]

Stephany Young wrote:

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end
of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

And what language might that be defined in?

a great language. one that also allows the programmer to define the
types that a class can be implicitly converted to. that is a feature
C# could benefit from. I dont like casting.

>

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply

Just because you personally have not used a powerful element of the language
for years, don't assume that other people don't use it regularly.

what do they use it for? I think it makes a poor bit shift because it
ties you too close to the byte size of what is being operated on and
the unit of measure is implied as bits. why not a syntax that allows
you to shift by bits, bytes, characters?
wordValue = wordValue ShiftLeft 2 Bytes ;

-Steve

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Stephany Young wrote:

Maybe you would like to expand on the 'piping and 'adding' bits.

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end
of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

Also, what makes you think that bit-shifting is seldom used?

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply
or divide, better to use those operators. ( and the optimized compilers
of today likely bit shift when we multiply by a constant that is a
power of 2. )

-Steve

>

"Steve Richter" <St************@gmail.comwrote in message
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Ben wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Christof Nordiek]

Hi Steve,

that would be using an operator to change one of it's operands. I think this
is not an OOP way to do it. It surely is not a C#-like way to do. (Though it
would be possible.)
One should use an Add-method instead of that (like in StringBuilder) or the
+ operator like in string, if the type has value semantic.

I suppose the inventors of C# felt this use of the << and >operators an
abuse of them, so they intentionally forbade it.
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Stephany Young wrote:

>Maybe you would like to expand on the 'piping and 'adding' bits.

arrayOfLines << new string( "another line" ) ; // adds to the end
of the array
databaseTable << row ; // adds a row to the database table

the general rule being:
<< adds to something
= replaces the contents of something with something else.

>Also, what makes you think that bit-shifting is seldom used?

I have not used bit shifting for years. If you are looking to multiply
or divide, better to use those operators. ( and the optimized compilers
of today likely bit shift when we multiply by a constant that is a
power of 2. )

-Steve

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Ben wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of these operators.
Now, I know what they do. They shift bits either left or right.
But I don't know why would anybody want to do that. I've never seen
anyone using it in his/her code.
Any ideas?

it is a tragic mistake that an operator that is tailor made for piping
and adding to lists, is reserved instead for such a trivial, seldom
used operation. If you want to shift bits, better to have a new literal
operator:
bunchOfBits shiftleft 2 ;

-Steve

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Steve Richter wrote:

And what language might that be defined in?

a great language. one that also allows the programmer to define the
types that a class can be implicitly converted to. that is a feature
C# could benefit from. I dont like casting.

So you find << to be more obvious than list.Add(...) and you don't like
telling readers of your code when a conversion is taking place. I'm
beginning to spot a pattern here...

By the way, you *can* do implicit conversions in C#. There are some
restrictions, and personally I don't like them because they tend to
reduce readability, but they're available.

Jon