Forum for WSE 3.0??

Hi Gary,

As for forum, there are also XML webservice forums on both MSDN and ASPNET
community. As the same in MSDN newsgroup, you can post those WSE questions
in those webservice forums too.

#ASMX Web Services and XML Serialization Search ASMX Web Services and XML
Serialization Forum
http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-...ndxml/threads/

#XML Web Services
http://forums.asp.net/28.aspx

BTW, I've also replied you in a former thread and provided some information
about learning resource of WSE 3.0:

Sincerely,

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>From: "GaryDean" <gd**********@newsgroup.nospam>
Subject: Forum for WSE 3.0??
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:44:45 -0700

>
Is there a forum somewhere specializing in WSE 3.0? I am going through

the

>"Microsoft Web Service Security Patterns and Practices" book/pdf and it

has

>a link to a community forum with a url of
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Linkid=57044 but that is a bad link. I

have

>some questions that are probably too specific for this general forum.

--
Regards,
Gary Blakely

Gary, WSE is obsolete. Do not use it for new development. I strongly suggest
that you use WCF instead. See the resources at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/wcf.

Steven, I appreciate your work in the newsgroups, but please stop directing
people towards WSE. They usually ask because a search on MSDN returns old
information as well as new information. In fact, if you search for "Web
Service Security" on MSDN, the top 20 articles are on WSE. That's not
because it's the correct approach to Web Service Security, it's because MSDN
search needs to be fixed.

If they are already using WSE and can't upgrade yet, that's ok. But I find
many people starting to use an obsolete product for new development, and we
can save them a lot of grief by directing them to WCF for anything having to
do with web services.

Thanks,
John
--
John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer

"Steven Cheng [MSFT]" <st*****@online.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:b9**************@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

Hi Gary,

As for forum, there are also XML webservice forums on both MSDN and ASPNET
community. As the same in MSDN newsgroup, you can post those WSE questions
in those webservice forums too.

#ASMX Web Services and XML Serialization Search ASMX Web Services and
XML
Serialization Forum
http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-...ndxml/threads/

#XML Web Services
http://forums.asp.net/28.aspx

BTW, I've also replied you in a former thread and provided some
information
about learning resource of WSE 3.0:

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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most efficient resolution. The offering is not appropriate for situations
that require urgent, real-time or phone-based interactions or complex
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>>From: "GaryDean" <gd**********@newsgroup.nospam>
Subject: Forum for WSE 3.0??
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:44:45 -0700

>>
Is there a forum somewhere specializing in WSE 3.0? I am going through

the

>>"Microsoft Web Service Security Patterns and Practices" book/pdf and it

has

>>a link to a community forum with a url of
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Linkid=57044 but that is a bad link. I

have

>>some questions that are probably too specific for this general forum.

--
Regards,
Gary Blakely

John,
Sometime ago we canceled our transition to .net 3.5. This was because
Visual Studio 2008 just did not work. I know we could have managed to
develop 3.5 apps on Visual Studio 2005 but it was a hassle so we just ended
up staying on .net 2.0. We havent revisited the VS issue for a while now
just because we are so busy.

I posted the issues on the forums but never got any responses. VS 2008 does
weird things that ruin the html in an aspx page - it will totally clobber a
project. For instance, we had a table full of controls that spanned
about250 lines. I dragged the table, in design mode, to widen it about an
inch. VS 2008 automatically put all 250 lines on one long single line,
capitalized all of the text i.e <tableto <TABLE>, inserted new tags that
were illegal, etc. We couldn't get anything done. We had to go back to vs
2005 (which works very well) and cancel our transition to .net 3.5.

--
Regards,
Gary Blakely
"John Saunders" <no@dont.do.that.comwrote in message
news:O6**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

Gary, WSE is obsolete. Do not use it for new development. I strongly
suggest that you use WCF instead. See the resources at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/wcf.

Steven, I appreciate your work in the newsgroups, but please stop
directing people towards WSE. They usually ask because a search on MSDN
returns old information as well as new information. In fact, if you search
for "Web Service Security" on MSDN, the top 20 articles are on WSE. That's
not because it's the correct approach to Web Service Security, it's
because MSDN search needs to be fixed.

If they are already using WSE and can't upgrade yet, that's ok. But I find
many people starting to use an obsolete product for new development, and
we can save them a lot of grief by directing them to WCF for anything
having to do with web services.

Thanks,
John
--
John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer

"Steven Cheng [MSFT]" <st*****@online.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:b9**************@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

>Hi Gary,

As for forum, there are also XML webservice forums on both MSDN and
ASPNET
community. As the same in MSDN newsgroup, you can post those WSE
questions
in those webservice forums too.

#ASMX Web Services and XML Serialization Search ASMX Web Services and
XML
Serialization Forum
http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-...ndxml/threads/

#XML Web Services
http://forums.asp.net/28.aspx

BTW, I've also replied you in a former thread and provided some
information
about learning resource of WSE 3.0:

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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follow
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professional working with you may need further investigation to reach the
most efficient resolution. The offering is not appropriate for situations
that require urgent, real-time or phone-based interactions or complex
project analysis and dump analysis issues. Issues of this nature are best
handled working with a dedicated Microsoft Support Engineer by contacting
Microsoft Customer Support Services (CSS) at
http://support.microsoft.com/select/...tance&ln=en-us.
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>>>From: "GaryDean" <gd**********@newsgroup.nospam>
Subject: Forum for WSE 3.0??
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:44:45 -0700

>>>
Is there a forum somewhere specializing in WSE 3.0? I am going through

the

>>>"Microsoft Web Service Security Patterns and Practices" book/pdf and it

has

>>>a link to a community forum with a url of
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Linkid=57044 but that is a bad link. I

have

>>>some questions that are probably too specific for this general forum.

--
Regards,
Gary Blakely

"GaryDean" <gd**********@newsgroup.nospamwrote in message
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

John,
Sometime ago we canceled our transition to .net 3.5. This was because
Visual Studio 2008 just did not work. I know we could have managed to
develop 3.5 apps on Visual Studio 2005 but it was a hassle so we just
ended up staying on .net 2.0. We havent revisited the VS issue for a
while now just because we are so busy.

I posted the issues on the forums but never got any responses. VS 2008
does weird things that ruin the html in an aspx page - it will totally
clobber a project. For instance, we had a table full of controls that
spanned about250 lines. I dragged the table, in design mode, to widen it
about an inch. VS 2008 automatically put all 250 lines on one long single
line, capitalized all of the text i.e <tableto <TABLE>, inserted new
tags that were illegal, etc. We couldn't get anything done. We had to go
back to vs 2005 (which works very well) and cancel our transition to .net
3.5.

Gary, I suggest you note that few others seem to have those problems.

Also, you can develop WCF applications using Visual Studio 2008, and
continue to develop the web applications with 2005. It would be greatly
preferable to continuing to put effort into an obsolete platform.

BTW, I, too, would recommend a forum on WSE. My reasons are selfish ones,
though. Such a forum or newsgroup would have little traffic, and I could
safely ignore it.
--
John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer