Finding Bottlenecks

[Nick]

Hi there,

I have a website that functions fine locally, but when published to the
server it develops a bottleneck during loading some of the pages. Basically
what happens is the page loads to about 25% then it freezes for anything
from 10 - 40 seconds, before suddenly loading the rest of the page.

Of course I understand that this could be down to some code on the page
locking the thread or suchlike, but I would like to be able to be able to
find exactly where the bottle neck is occuring. Strangely enough this
doesn't seem to occur in Firefox although Firefox displays quicker it seems
to do whatever is holding IE up in the background so you get the illusion of
it loading quicker.

Any suggestions on tools or methods for finding bottlenecks in page
loading? Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Nick.

[Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\)]

Tracing works, if you want something easy to turn on and a bit down and
dirty. You can also code a trace listener if you want to log these things.

There are also tools that you can profile your code with, although most of
them cost at least something. If you have a Team System SKU, there is a
profile included. Not quite what some of the Enterprise tools out there
offer, but a good start. DotTrace, from JetBrains, is a nice personal
profiler (at $199 for personal, not bad pricing either).

I will have to find the link, but I saw a neat free profiler for the Compact
Framework, which I think will work with non CE programs. Note to self: have
to find the link. :-)

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Hi there,

I have a website that functions fine locally, but when published to the
server it develops a bottleneck during loading some of the pages.
Basically what happens is the page loads to about 25% then it freezes for
anything from 10 - 40 seconds, before suddenly loading the rest of the
page.

Of course I understand that this could be down to some code on the page
locking the thread or suchlike, but I would like to be able to be able to
find exactly where the bottle neck is occuring. Strangely enough this
doesn't seem to occur in Firefox although Firefox displays quicker it
seems to do whatever is holding IE up in the background so you get the
illusion of it loading quicker.

Any suggestions on tools or methods for finding bottlenecks in page
loading? Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Nick.

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

Hi Nick,

Regarding on such issue, for locating the bottle neck, it is quite common
to do some tracing or profiling work upon your web application. for tracing
, the ASP.NET has already provided trace functionality:

#ASP.NET Trace
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...we(VS.71).aspx

#Tracing in ASP.NET 2.0
http://www.beansoftware.com/ASP.NET-...g-ASP.NET.aspx

You can add trace print statement in those page events/functions where you
put code logic(may block the page) so that in the trace output, you can
view the time point those event arrive and the next one starts.

Also, visual studio has provided good profiling tools that can help track
the performance issues:

#Analyzing Application Performance using Profiling Tools
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9z62c29.aspx

#How to: Create Performance Session for ASP.NET Applications
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...1d(VS.80).aspx

the profiling report can give you some info such as what are the most used
functions, or the most long run functions...

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
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>From: "Nick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Finding Bottlenecks
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:44:40 +0100

>
Hi there,

I have a website that functions fine locally, but when published to

the

>server it develops a bottleneck during loading some of the pages.

Basically

>what happens is the page loads to about 25% then it freezes for anything
from 10 - 40 seconds, before suddenly loading the rest of the page.

Of course I understand that this could be down to some code on the

page

>locking the thread or suchlike, but I would like to be able to be able to
find exactly where the bottle neck is occuring. Strangely enough this
doesn't seem to occur in Firefox although Firefox displays quicker it

seems

>to do whatever is holding IE up in the background so you get the illusion

of

>it loading quicker.

Any suggestions on tools or methods for finding bottlenecks in page
loading? Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Nick.

[Nick]

Hi Gregory,

Thanks a million for the information I think I'll give tracing a go and
see if that shows anything before having a look at the profiling systems.

Cheers for your time.

Nick.

"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)" <No************@comcast.netNoSpamMwrote in
message news:eH**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

Tracing works, if you want something easy to turn on and a bit down and
dirty. You can also code a trace listener if you want to log these things.

There are also tools that you can profile your code with, although most of
them cost at least something. If you have a Team System SKU, there is a
profile included. Not quite what some of the Enterprise tools out there
offer, but a good start. DotTrace, from JetBrains, is a nice personal
profiler (at $199 for personal, not bad pricing either).

I will have to find the link, but I saw a neat free profiler for the
Compact Framework, which I think will work with non CE programs. Note to
self: have to find the link. :-)

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP, MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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"Nick" <[e-mail] in message
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>Hi there,

I have a website that functions fine locally, but when published to
the server it develops a bottleneck during loading some of the pages.
Basically what happens is the page loads to about 25% then it freezes for
anything from 10 - 40 seconds, before suddenly loading the rest of the
page.

Of course I understand that this could be down to some code on the
page locking the thread or suchlike, but I would like to be able to be
able to find exactly where the bottle neck is occuring. Strangely enough
this doesn't seem to occur in Firefox although Firefox displays quicker
it seems to do whatever is holding IE up in the background so you get the
illusion of it loading quicker.

Any suggestions on tools or methods for finding bottlenecks in page
loading? Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Nick.

[Nick]

Hi Steven,

Thanks for your help and links to articles, they are most helpful.

Unfortunately I enabled tracing and when I finally got it to work during
the bottleneck it didn't show the results I was expecting. It said that end
render fired 0.96 seconds after the first event, that's far from the truth
as it took roughly 15 seconds for all images to appear and for the progress
bar to complete.

I guess that means that I'm going to have to look at profiling as per
Gregs suggestion.

Thanks for your time in the matter.

Nick.

"Steven Cheng [MSFT]" <st*****@online.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:uI**************@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

Hi Nick,

Regarding on such issue, for locating the bottle neck, it is quite common
to do some tracing or profiling work upon your web application. for
tracing
, the ASP.NET has already provided trace functionality:

#ASP.NET Trace
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...we(VS.71).aspx

#Tracing in ASP.NET 2.0
http://www.beansoftware.com/ASP.NET-...g-ASP.NET.aspx

You can add trace print statement in those page events/functions where you
put code logic(may block the page) so that in the trace output, you can
view the time point those event arrive and the next one starts.

Also, visual studio has provided good profiling tools that can help track
the performance issues:

#Analyzing Application Performance using Profiling Tools
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9z62c29.aspx

#How to: Create Performance Session for ASP.NET Applications
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...1d(VS.80).aspx

the profiling report can give you some info such as what are the most used
functions, or the most long run functions...

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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professional working with you may need further investigation to reach the
most efficient resolution. The offering is not appropriate for situations
that require urgent, real-time or phone-based interactions or complex
project analysis and dump analysis issues. Issues of this nature are best
handled working with a dedicated Microsoft Support Engineer by contacting
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>>From: "Nick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Finding Bottlenecks
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:44:40 +0100

>>
Hi there,

I have a website that functions fine locally, but when published to

the

>>server it develops a bottleneck during loading some of the pages.

Basically

>>what happens is the page loads to about 25% then it freezes for anything
from 10 - 40 seconds, before suddenly loading the rest of the page.

Of course I understand that this could be down to some code on the

page

>>locking the thread or suchlike, but I would like to be able to be able to
find exactly where the bottle neck is occuring. Strangely enough this
doesn't seem to occur in Firefox although Firefox displays quicker it

seems

>>to do whatever is holding IE up in the background so you get the illusion

of

>>it loading quicker.

Any suggestions on tools or methods for finding bottlenecks in page
loading? Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Nick.

[Patrice]

It could be just that this is a client side issue (I thought about that also
when seeing that you said it was quicker with FF).

Of course with ASP.NET trace enabled you are just seeing server side
processing. My guess would be that you could have a quite complex nested
structure for your page that takes a fair amount of time to layout in IE...

--
Patrice

"Nick" <[e-mail] écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
uj**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

Hi Steven,

Thanks for your help and links to articles, they are most helpful.

Unfortunately I enabled tracing and when I finally got it to work
during the bottleneck it didn't show the results I was expecting. It said
that end render fired 0.96 seconds after the first event, that's far from
the truth as it took roughly 15 seconds for all images to appear and for
the progress bar to complete.

I guess that means that I'm going to have to look at profiling as per
Gregs suggestion.

Thanks for your time in the matter.

Nick.

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[Nick]

Hi Patrice,

I think you are right, I have run profiling on the effected part and cut
down as much loading time as I possible could which has shaved a couple of
seconds off the loading time, but the delay is still there.

I'm not quite sure if it would be classed as a complex section though
tbh, I mean it's styled DIV with an unordered list UL inside which get
styled into buttons through the containing DIVs style. So pretty basic
really, but what currently happens is it gets to like the 2nd or 3rd button
then pauses for x seconds before resuming with page rendering.

Although with that said, one of the items does contain a few variables,
i.e. <%$AppSettings:blabla %>, so I'm not sure if that could be slowing
things down as it's on the 4th button. I'll see what changing it does...

Thanks for your time and feedback, I'll get to the bottom of this
eventually.

Nick.

"Patrice" <http://www.chez.com/scribe/wrote in message
news:5B**********************************@microsof t.com...

It could be just that this is a client side issue (I thought about that
also when seeing that you said it was quicker with FF).

Of course with ASP.NET trace enabled you are just seeing server side
processing. My guess would be that you could have a quite complex nested
structure for your page that takes a fair amount of time to layout in
IE...

--
Patrice

"Nick" <[e-mail] écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
uj**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>Hi Steven,

Thanks for your help and links to articles, they are most helpful.

Unfortunately I enabled tracing and when I finally got it to work
during the bottleneck it didn't show the results I was expecting. It
said that end render fired 0.96 seconds after the first event, that's far
from the truth as it took roughly 15 seconds for all images to appear and
for the progress bar to complete.

I guess that means that I'm going to have to look at profiling as per
Gregs suggestion.

Thanks for your time in the matter.

Nick.

[cut]>

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

Thanks for the reply Nick,

yes, as you've profiled, the server-side processing takes much less time
than what you actually seen(from the first event to the page display at
client). Then, the problem is likely occuring during the output
rendering/transfering from server to the client browser. Generally, you
can first check page size to make sure it is reasonable and not too
large(such as contains large viewstate). Then, we need to take further look
into the behavior, maybe some network trace will be also necessary.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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>Subject: Re: Finding Bottlenecks
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:07:06 +0100

>
Hi Patrice,

I think you are right, I have run profiling on the effected part and

cut

>down as much loading time as I possible could which has shaved a couple of
seconds off the loading time, but the delay is still there.

I'm not quite sure if it would be classed as a complex section though
tbh, I mean it's styled DIV with an unordered list UL inside which get
styled into buttons through the containing DIVs style. So pretty basic
really, but what currently happens is it gets to like the 2nd or 3rd

button

>then pauses for x seconds before resuming with page rendering.

Although with that said, one of the items does contain a few

variables,

>i.e. <%$AppSettings:blabla %>, so I'm not sure if that could be slowing
things down as it's on the 4th button. I'll see what changing it does...

Thanks for your time and feedback, I'll get to the bottom of this
eventually.

Nick.

"Patrice" <http://www.chez.com/scribe/wrote in message
news:5B**********************************@microso ft.com...

>It could be just that this is a client side issue (I thought about that
also when seeing that you said it was quicker with FF).

Of course with ASP.NET trace enabled you are just seeing server side
processing. My guess would be that you could have a quite complex nested
structure for your page that takes a fair amount of time to layout in
IE...

--
Patrice

"Nick" <[e-mail] écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
uj**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>Hi Steven,

Thanks for your help and links to articles, they are most helpful.

Unfortunately I enabled tracing and when I finally got it to work
during the bottleneck it didn't show the results I was expecting. It
said that end render fired 0.96 seconds after the first event, that's

far

>>from the truth as it took roughly 15 seconds for all images to appear

and

>>for the progress bar to complete.

I guess that means that I'm going to have to look at profiling as

per

>>Gregs suggestion.

Thanks for your time in the matter.

Nick.

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