How to cope up with .NET

[abcd]

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and
VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM, ADO. Today its
called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET.
Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me
.. He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I
am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle
dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse
me]

thanks

[Masudur]

On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and
VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM, ADO. Today its
called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET.
Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me
. He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I
am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle
dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse
me]

thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

[Mike]

Sounds like he asked you some .NET questions that are on the MCTS test. app
domains, CAS, etc. I've been doing .NET for several years and never been
asked questions like that (so far).

All I can say is get a few books or do some reading online about .NET. You
can download C# Express or VB.NET Express for free and start learning it.
But overall just try and get an understanding of the .NET framework then go
to a language to learn and code in.

framework:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/net...k/default.aspx

C#:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspx
VB:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspx
Visual Studio Express:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/
--
Mike
'IGotYourDotNet'
http://igotyourdotnet.blogspot.com/

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and
VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM, ADO. Today its
called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET.
Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy just blasted me and FAILED
me . He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I
am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle
dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in
old technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET
things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse
me]

thanks

[Masudur]

On Jun 26, 12:18 am, "abcd" <[e-mail]:

I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take intvws for
candidates from my company but I check only capabilities and not the details
about one particular technology. There are lots of things in a product
development cycyle that one should be aware of.

I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots of new things
which is making me slow to learn considering my daily work schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore, CCriticalSection
and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient for some one to work in
threading in .NET. Are the concepts really changed...? I dont think so....

Looks like companies becoming very aggressive and very picky.

Masudur wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy
just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET
things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]

thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

hi...

"Looks like companies becoming very aggressive and very picky."
yap yap yap... you are right...
i did have a smiler experience ... i had to face question directly
from reflection and inside appdoman stuff

[Mark Rae]

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities.

Looks perfectly understandable to me - Microsoft "certifications" are
utterly worthless...

All you need to get one is download the entire set of questions from any
number of sites for a few dollars and learn them the evening before you sit
the "test".

E.g.
http://www.examcheets.com/
--
http://www.markrae.net

[Laurent Bugnion, MVP]

Hi,

abcd wrote:

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and
VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM, ADO. Today its
called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET.
Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me
. He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I
am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle
dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse
me]

thanks

Actually, you're in quite a nice position, because it has never been so
easy to learn technology independently, without going to follow an
expensive course. The web has so many resources allowing you to learn at
home.

Choose wisely which technologies you learn, though. Learning Windows
Forms (.NET Windows Applications) is not recommended, since this
technology will eventually disappear and be replaced by WPF. My
recommendations for learning are:

- WPF
- WCF
- ASP.NET
- Silverlight
- LINQ
- ADO.NET

That's a lot already, so take it one step at a time.

Courage,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering, Blog: http://www.galasoft.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

[Masudur]

On Jun 26, 12:30 am, "Laurent Bugnion, MVP" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

Hi,

abcd wrote:

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and
VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM, ADO. Today its
called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET.
Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me
. He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I
am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle
dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse
me]

thanks

Actually, you're in quite a nice position, because it has never been so
easy to learn technology independently, without going to follow an
expensive course. The web has so many resources allowing you to learn at
home.

Choose wisely which technologies you learn, though. Learning Windows
Forms (.NET Windows Applications) is not recommended, since this
technology will eventually disappear and be replaced by WPF. My
recommendations for learning are:

- WPF
- WCF
- ASP.NET
- Silverlight
- LINQ
- ADO.NET

That's a lot already, so take it one step at a time.

Courage,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering, Blog:http://www.galasoft.ch
PhotoAlbum:http://www.galasoft.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta:http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

boy...

i am getting afraid now... of all these stuff...
i have to learn lot of things :)
new and new things are coming...

[abcd]

me too....

I thought Microsoft is going to take care of all the technologies and people
should concentrate more on their business logics...to me (as a developer /
designer) this looks more work...Learning lots of new things and spending so
many hours which one will be the best solution for longer run. Our products
still good with older technologies and customers are very happy we dont see
any desire to move to .NET. I bet there might be many such companies who are
happy with older investments. I can still expedia.com site still good on
classic ASP (thats what I can see in browser that its still pointing to
..asp).

I even dont have working expereince with Reflection, Generics, App Domain,
Threading, Code Access Security, Delegates. If I dont learn these things
asap then it will not take time to become obsolete in the market. My 13 yrs
expereince will go in vain within no time.

When I will learn these things the job I will get will not use these things
so again skills will be wasted and by the time new things will come up and I
will start leaning those. etc etc

Nowadays, I have a gut feeling that software development by introducing new
technologies is just another money making business. You come up with new
things...people buy books, expensive training materials..all these things
are connected...but ultimately customer suffers and again big IT budget...
Masudur wrote:

On Jun 26, 12:30 am, "Laurent Bugnion, MVP" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Hi,

abcd wrote:

>>I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that
guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in
old technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in
those technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new
.NET things...

>>How should I handle this issue.

>>[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]

>>thanks

Actually, you're in quite a nice position, because it has never been
so easy to learn technology independently, without going to follow an
expensive course. The web has so many resources allowing you to
learn at home.

Choose wisely which technologies you learn, though. Learning Windows
Forms (.NET Windows Applications) is not recommended, since this
technology will eventually disappear and be replaced by WPF. My
recommendations for learning are:

- WPF
- WCF
- ASP.NET
- Silverlight
- LINQ
- ADO.NET

That's a lot already, so take it one step at a time.

Courage,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering, Blog:http://www.galasoft.ch
PhotoAlbum:http://www.galasoft.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta:http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

boy...

i am getting afraid now... of all these stuff...
i have to learn lot of things :)
new and new things are coming...

[Mike]

if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions should have
been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

Companies aren't becoming picky, the mgrs are just noticing that anyone can
get Microsoft certified and yet, never actually worked with the technology.
I myself own a software consulting company and I had a resume come across my
deks. It looked incredible, C++, C#, .NET, VB.NET, SharePoint, Java,
Handheld, etc, then he listed Java Certified, Microfsoft Certified MCTS. So
I was like OK, now this guy knows what he's doing. WRONG! When I started
asking him about general .NET questions, he got a few not many, but when I
started asking some more advance .NET questions, security, architecture,
culture, etc. he was totally clueless, so I came down a notch and asked
about ADO.NET, ASP.NET, IIS permission, asp.net page flow, web.config file
information, again clueless. Come to find out he just took the test and
never worked in the technology.

So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me these
days.
Its just a piece of paper like a college degree. You will never know how the
real world works or what to expect until you experience it first hand. Yes
the degree is good, but do you want an recent college grad running your
fortune 500 company has his first job? Do you want an freshly new MCTS being
your tech lead on a million dollar project for a client and he has no idea
how to even get around the VS.NET ide or can't even write a line of code ?

I know I don't

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take intvws
for candidates from my company but I check only capabilities and not the
details about one particular technology. There are lots of things in a
product development cycyle that one should be aware of.

I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots of new
things which is making me slow to learn considering my daily work
schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore, CCriticalSection
and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient for some one to work in
threading in .NET. Are the concepts really changed...? I dont think so....

Looks like companies becoming very aggressive and very picky.
Masudur wrote:

>On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:

>>I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that guy
just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old
technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in those
technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET
things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]

thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

[Mark Rae]

"Masudur" <mu*****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@e16g2000pri.googlegro ups.com...

yap yap yap...

What does that mean...?
--
http://www.markrae.net

[Mark Rae]

"Mike" <Mi**@community.nospam.comwrote in message
news:uw**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions should have
been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

LOL!

So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me these
days.

You are absolutely correct - it's utterly worthless.

I am quite often asked to sit in on technical interviews, and whenever I
come across a CV which is littered with MCPs, I simply ask the candidates
why they have wasted their time with this rubbish instead of gaining
real-world experience...

None of them ever has an answer...

Some people even put their MCP "qualifications" in their newsgroup sigs -
that just makes them look ridiculous...
--
http://www.markrae.net

[abcd]

By the way exam 70-315 does not talk about Reflections, Generics, delegates,
CAS etc.

My case is differnt that just achieving the certification. In Jan 2003 I was
working on a .NET project (ASP.NET 1.0/1.1) that time I was involved wrting
the intranet portal based on IBuySpy. That time I was full time working in
..NET and I just took the exam and passed it with no additional study or
training material because I was practically working on those topics...Now,
after that project I was shifted to another product in our company which was
using classic ASP, COM, ADO etc. So last 3 yrs I am working on old
technologies. This is how I lost my .NET touch. Now, meanwhile .NET 2.0/3.0
has come and as I am not actively working on a .NET project in our company
the learning curve has been slowed down.

I too agree certifications do not help at all. Thats why I dont want to
become MCPD or MCTS or whatever new certifications are.

Mike wrote:

if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions should
have been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

Companies aren't becoming picky, the mgrs are just noticing that
anyone can get Microsoft certified and yet, never actually worked
with the technology. I myself own a software consulting company and I
had a resume come across my deks. It looked incredible, C++, C#,
.NET, VB.NET, SharePoint, Java, Handheld, etc, then he listed Java
Certified, Microfsoft Certified MCTS. So I was like OK, now this guy
knows what he's doing. WRONG! When I started asking him about general
.NET questions, he got a few not many, but when I started asking some
more advance .NET questions, security, architecture, culture, etc. he
was totally clueless, so I came down a notch and asked about ADO.NET,
ASP.NET, IIS permission, asp.net page flow, web.config file
information, again clueless. Come to find out he just took the test
and never worked in the technology.
So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me
these days.
Its just a piece of paper like a college degree. You will never know
how the real world works or what to expect until you experience it
first hand. Yes the degree is good, but do you want an recent college
grad running your fortune 500 company has his first job? Do you want
an freshly new MCTS being your tech lead on a million dollar project
for a client and he has no idea how to even get around the VS.NET ide
or can't even write a line of code ?
I know I don't

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take
intvws for candidates from my company but I check only capabilities
and not the details about one particular technology. There are lots
of things in a product development cycyle that one should be aware
of. I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots of new
things which is making me slow to learn considering my daily work
schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore,
CCriticalSection and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient
for some one to work in threading in .NET. Are the concepts really
changed...? I dont think so.... Looks like companies becoming very
aggressive and very picky.
Masudur wrote:

>>On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:
I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that
guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in
old technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in
those technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to
new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]

thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

[abcd]

I mean "My case is differnt than just achieving the certification.". I
believe in practical crunching.

abcd wrote:

By the way exam 70-315 does not talk about Reflections, Generics,
delegates, CAS etc.

My case is differnt that just achieving the certification. In Jan
2003 I was working on a .NET project (ASP.NET 1.0/1.1) that time I
was involved wrting the intranet portal based on IBuySpy. That time I
was full time working in .NET and I just took the exam and passed it
with no additional study or training material because I was
practically working on those topics...Now, after that project I was
shifted to another product in our company which was using classic
ASP, COM, ADO etc. So last 3 yrs I am working on old technologies.
This is how I lost my .NET touch. Now, meanwhile .NET 2.0/3.0 has
come and as I am not actively working on a .NET project in our
company the learning curve has been slowed down.
I too agree certifications do not help at all. Thats why I dont want
to become MCPD or MCTS or whatever new certifications are.

Mike wrote:

>if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions should
have been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

Companies aren't becoming picky, the mgrs are just noticing that
anyone can get Microsoft certified and yet, never actually worked
with the technology. I myself own a software consulting company and I
had a resume come across my deks. It looked incredible, C++, C#,
.NET, VB.NET, SharePoint, Java, Handheld, etc, then he listed Java
Certified, Microfsoft Certified MCTS. So I was like OK, now this guy
knows what he's doing. WRONG! When I started asking him about general
.NET questions, he got a few not many, but when I started asking some
more advance .NET questions, security, architecture, culture, etc. he
was totally clueless, so I came down a notch and asked about ADO.NET,
ASP.NET, IIS permission, asp.net page flow, web.config file
information, again clueless. Come to find out he just took the test
and never worked in the technology.
So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me
these days.
Its just a piece of paper like a college degree. You will never know
how the real world works or what to expect until you experience it
first hand. Yes the degree is good, but do you want an recent college
grad running your fortune 500 company has his first job? Do you want
an freshly new MCTS being your tech lead on a million dollar project
for a client and he has no idea how to even get around the VS.NET ide
or can't even write a line of code ?
I know I don't

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take
intvws for candidates from my company but I check only capabilities
and not the details about one particular technology. There are lots
of things in a product development cycyle that one should be aware
of. I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots
of new things which is making me slow to learn considering my daily
work schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore,
CCriticalSection and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient
for some one to work in threading in .NET. Are the concepts really
changed...? I dont think so.... Looks like companies becoming very
aggressive and very picky.
Masudur wrote:
On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:
I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from
VC++ 1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP,
COM, ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very
novice++ expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw
and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS,
threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced
.NET questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know
I am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I
can handle dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My
currently products are in old technologies and thats what I sped
most of my day working in those technologies and not getting
enough practical exposure to new .NET things...
>
How should I handle this issue.
>
[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then
kindly excuse me]
>
thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

[David R. Longnecker]

The concepts you have repeated throughout your posts, like reflection, generics,
and threading, are not new concepts. They are, however, programming 'buzzwords'
for examinations and managers due to being brought to the forefront with
newer language implementations such as Rails, C#, and Java. In time, these
words will become as 'boring' as class, interface, and inheritance.

The .NET framework is not the first to support these concepts and will not
be the last. Yeah, that's right, something will replace what we're doing
today (heck, there are days that it feels that new methodologies are coming
up before I even get a chance to wrap my arms around the current stuff!--that's
why I like this job!). But in the end, the underlying concepts remain the
same--only implementation changes--whether you're jumpering ad on/off bit
with a wire or doing it using code in some high level programming language;
the logic persists.

Part of being a programmer/developer/architect/whatever is having the understanding
of core computing concepts and design principals and how they apply to a
particular situation--and then apply it. The IDE, syntax, and even the model
can change without consequence at that point. The MSFT tests test functionality
in a certain programming modal--which, agree or disagree, is not what makes
a programmer at the end of the day. Anyone (maybe) can string together syntactical
goo.

If you're really concerned about not falling behind, my suggestion is to
focus on concepts of OOP, design practices, and such--and move forward without
worrying about what environment you're targeting. As Mike suggested a few
posts ago--if you're interested in MSFT, grab the free Express products and
spend some time with them. Create a console app, and then figure out what
it takes to make it into a web application, or a Smartphone application.
If you're more into Open Source, grab VMWare, a Linux distro and load up
Rails. Use your current knowledge as a grounding and go from there.

This is probably both the most difficult concept of learning modern development--figuring
out where to start!

Good luck.

-dl

--
David R. Longnecker
http://blog.tiredstudent.com

ame too....
a>
aI thought Microsoft is going to take care of all the technologies and
apeople should concentrate more on their business logics...to me (as a
adeveloper / designer) this looks more work...Learning lots of new
athings and spending so many hours which one will be the best solution
afor longer run. Our products still good with older technologies and
acustomers are very happy we dont see any desire to move to .NET. I
abet there might be many such companies who are happy with older
ainvestments. I can still expedia.com site still good on classic ASP
a(thats what I can see in browser that its still pointing to .asp).
a>
aI even dont have working expereince with Reflection, Generics, App
aDomain, Threading, Code Access Security, Delegates. If I dont learn
athese things asap then it will not take time to become obsolete in
athe market. My 13 yrs expereince will go in vain within no time.
a>
aWhen I will learn these things the job I will get will not use these
athings so again skills will be wasted and by the time new things will
acome up and I will start leaning those. etc etc
a>
aNowadays, I have a gut feeling that software development by
aintroducing new technologies is just another money making business.
aYou come up with new things...people buy books, expensive training
amaterials..all these things are connected...but ultimately customer
asuffers and again big IT budget...
a>
aMasudur wrote:
a>

>On Jun 26, 12:30 am, "Laurent Bugnion, MVP" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>>Hi,

abcd wrote:

I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that
guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in
old technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in
those technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new
.NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]

thanks

Actually, you're in quite a nice position, because it has never been
so easy to learn technology independently, without going to follow
an
expensive course. The web has so many resources allowing you to
learn at home.
Choose wisely which technologies you learn, though. Learning Windows
Forms (.NET Windows Applications) is not recommended, since this
technology will eventually disappear and be replaced by WPF. My
recommendations for learning are:

- WPF
- WCF
- ASP.NET
- Silverlight
- LINQ
- ADO.NET
That's a lot already, so take it one step at a time.

Courage,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion [MVP ASP.NET]
Software engineering, Blog:http://www.galasoft.ch
PhotoAlbum:http://www.galasoft.ch/pictures
Support children in Calcutta:http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

boy...

i am getting afraid now... of all these stuff...
i have to learn lot of things :)
new and new things are coming...

[Mark Rae]

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:uV*************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

I too agree certifications do not help at all. Thats why I dont want to
become MCPD or MCTS or whatever new certifications are.

Glad to hear it!
--
http://www.markrae.net

[Jon Paal [MSMD]]

IMHO, you can't be expected to keep up with all the changes proposed by corporations like MS, new standards, new tools etc., all the
time, they're too big and profit from continual change.

People who ask questions as if the candidate is an expert at all things current is a pompous jerk with unrealistic expectations.

The reality is, programmers are continually in a "just -in-time" learning efort. Nobody can learn all things and stay proficient in
them because all things aren't used all the time.

Since technologies keep moving there is a just-in-time learning process to get the current best management approach/tools/technology
and then implement them to meet the needs of the customer.

Unless technology stands still there will always be somebody who knows something better than you in some area, and vice versa.

Timing can be an issue for demand of recent technologies but good employers always look for fundamental skills like educational
background, problem solving abilities, good communication, successful work history, etc.

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++ 1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP,
COM, ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++ expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and
that guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET
questions even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can
handle dot net too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in old technologies and thats what I sped most of my
day working in those technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...

How should I handle this issue.

[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly excuse me]

thanks

[Mike]

Still a little confused here.
exam 70-315 covers the entire gammit of VB.NET from enterprise web based app
to enterprise windows based apps. With ADO.NET, Data Access, Rich Client,
some of the questions he asked you you still should have known if you taken
this exam.

I'm not bashing you on this, but you say your an 'MCP' but couldn't answer
questions that the 70-315 exam covers.

I also to think MCP's, MCTS, MCSD, etc are a waiste of time and money. Learn
the stuff in the real world. Anyone can read a book and take a test, hell if
a 10 year can take the test and get certified, what does that tell ya?


"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:uV*************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

By the way exam 70-315 does not talk about Reflections, Generics,
delegates, CAS etc.

My case is differnt that just achieving the certification. In Jan 2003 I
was working on a .NET project (ASP.NET 1.0/1.1) that time I was involved
wrting the intranet portal based on IBuySpy. That time I was full time
working in .NET and I just took the exam and passed it with no additional
study or training material because I was practically working on those
topics...Now, after that project I was shifted to another product in our
company which was using classic ASP, COM, ADO etc. So last 3 yrs I am
working on old technologies. This is how I lost my .NET touch. Now,
meanwhile .NET 2.0/3.0 has come and as I am not actively working on a .NET
project in our company the learning curve has been slowed down.

I too agree certifications do not help at all. Thats why I dont want to
become MCPD or MCTS or whatever new certifications are.

Mike wrote:

>if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions should
have been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

Companies aren't becoming picky, the mgrs are just noticing that
anyone can get Microsoft certified and yet, never actually worked
with the technology. I myself own a software consulting company and I
had a resume come across my deks. It looked incredible, C++, C#,
.NET, VB.NET, SharePoint, Java, Handheld, etc, then he listed Java
Certified, Microfsoft Certified MCTS. So I was like OK, now this guy
knows what he's doing. WRONG! When I started asking him about general
.NET questions, he got a few not many, but when I started asking some
more advance .NET questions, security, architecture, culture, etc. he
was totally clueless, so I came down a notch and asked about ADO.NET,
ASP.NET, IIS permission, asp.net page flow, web.config file
information, again clueless. Come to find out he just took the test
and never worked in the technology.
So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me
these days.
Its just a piece of paper like a college degree. You will never know
how the real world works or what to expect until you experience it
first hand. Yes the degree is good, but do you want an recent college
grad running your fortune 500 company has his first job? Do you want
an freshly new MCTS being your tech lead on a million dollar project
for a client and he has no idea how to even get around the VS.NET ide
or can't even write a line of code ?
I know I don't

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take
intvws for candidates from my company but I check only capabilities
and not the details about one particular technology. There are lots
of things in a product development cycyle that one should be aware
of. I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots of new
things which is making me slow to learn considering my daily work
schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore,
CCriticalSection and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient
for some one to work in threading in .NET. Are the concepts really
changed...? I dont think so.... Looks like companies becoming very
aggressive and very picky.
Masudur wrote:
On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:
I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from VC++
1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP, COM,
ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very novice++
expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw and that
guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS, threading, App
domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of advanced .NET questions
even I have not encountered reading those. I know I am working on
Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since many years. I can handle dot net
too once the responsbiliities come. My currently products are in
old technologies and thats what I sped most of my day working in
those technologies and not getting enough practical exposure to
new .NET things...
>
How should I handle this issue.
>
[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then kindly
excuse me]
>
thanks

Hi...

no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....

Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com

[Mark Rae]

"Mike" <Mi**@community.nospam.comwrote in message
news:uG***************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

Still a little confused here.
exam 70-315 covers the entire gammit of VB.NET from enterprise web based
app to enterprise windows based apps. With ADO.NET, Data Access, Rich
Client, some of the questions he asked you you still should have known if
you taken this exam.

I'm not bashing you on this, but you say your an 'MCP' but couldn't answer
questions that the 70-315 exam covers.

The answer is perfectly obvious, to me at least...

I also to think MCP's, MCTS, MCSD, etc are a waste of time and money.
Learn the stuff in the real world. Anyone can read a book and take a test,
hell if a 10 year can take the test and get certified, what does that tell
ya?

I couldn't agree more.
--
http://www.markrae.net

[Mike]

The answer is perfectly obvious, to me at least...

whats that Mark? Which answer?

I'm thinking a MCP should be able to answer any question that he is
supposedly an MCP in or even have an understanding of it. but hey anyone can
take a test.
"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.netwrote in message
news:Op****************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

"Mike" <Mi**@community.nospam.comwrote in message
news:uG***************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>Still a little confused here.
exam 70-315 covers the entire gammit of VB.NET from enterprise web based
app to enterprise windows based apps. With ADO.NET, Data Access, Rich
Client, some of the questions he asked you you still should have known if
you taken this exam.

I'm not bashing you on this, but you say your an 'MCP' but couldn't
answer questions that the 70-315 exam covers.

The answer is perfectly obvious, to me at least...

>I also to think MCP's, MCTS, MCSD, etc are a waste of time and money.
Learn the stuff in the real world. Anyone can read a book and take a
test, hell if a 10 year can take the test and get certified, what does
that tell ya?

I couldn't agree more.
--
http://www.markrae.net

[abcd]

I answered all the questions I know from .NET 1.1 persepective. ADO.NET,
page life cycle, and all those. Except for advance questions I could not
elaborate to the professional extent. I took MCP in 2003. Today is 2007.
Meanwhile in 4 yrs I did not work in .NET. This is the truth. So if you dont
work in the technology obviosuly you tend to forget or loose the capability
to explain someone to the professional extent.

Now, can someone tell me the art of learning the new technologies like MCF,
MPF, Sliverlight, goldenlight, DiamonLlight, WWF etc :)

Mike wrote:

Still a little confused here.
exam 70-315 covers the entire gammit of VB.NET from enterprise web
based app to enterprise windows based apps. With ADO.NET, Data
Access, Rich Client, some of the questions he asked you you still
should have known if you taken this exam.

I'm not bashing you on this, but you say your an 'MCP' but couldn't
answer questions that the 70-315 exam covers.

I also to think MCP's, MCTS, MCSD, etc are a waiste of time and
money. Learn the stuff in the real world. Anyone can read a book and
take a test, hell if a 10 year can take the test and get certified,
what does that tell ya?

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:uV*************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>By the way exam 70-315 does not talk about Reflections, Generics,
delegates, CAS etc.

My case is differnt that just achieving the certification. In Jan
2003 I was working on a .NET project (ASP.NET 1.0/1.1) that time I
was involved wrting the intranet portal based on IBuySpy. That time
I was full time working in .NET and I just took the exam and passed
it with no additional study or training material because I was
practically working on those topics...Now, after that project I was
shifted to another product in our company which was using classic
ASP, COM, ADO etc. So last 3 yrs I am working on old technologies.
This is how I lost my .NET touch. Now, meanwhile .NET 2.0/3.0 has
come and as I am not actively working on a .NET project in our
company the learning curve has been slowed down. I too agree
certifications do not help at all. Thats why I dont want
to become MCPD or MCTS or whatever new certifications are.

Mike wrote:

>>if your an MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315), then his questions
should have been a no brainer to you then. So I'm a little confused.

Companies aren't becoming picky, the mgrs are just noticing that
anyone can get Microsoft certified and yet, never actually worked
with the technology. I myself own a software consulting company and
I had a resume come across my deks. It looked incredible, C++, C#,
.NET, VB.NET, SharePoint, Java, Handheld, etc, then he listed Java
Certified, Microfsoft Certified MCTS. So I was like OK, now this guy
knows what he's doing. WRONG! When I started asking him about
general .NET questions, he got a few not many, but when I started
asking some more advance .NET questions, security, architecture,
culture, etc. he was totally clueless, so I came down a notch and
asked about ADO.NET, ASP.NET, IIS permission, asp.net page flow,
web.config file information, again clueless. Come to find out he
just took the test and never worked in the technology.
So when I see a cert on a resume, it means absolutely nothing to me
these days.
Its just a piece of paper like a college degree. You will never know
how the real world works or what to expect until you experience it
first hand. Yes the degree is good, but do you want an recent
college grad running your fortune 500 company has his first job? Do
you want an freshly new MCTS being your tech lead on a million
dollar project for a client and he has no idea how to even get
around the VS.NET ide or can't even write a line of code ?
I know I don't

"abcd" <ab**@abcd.comwrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I am already MCP in VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0
MCP in C# ASP.NET (exam 70-315)

Looks little odd to me that by having such expereince and Microsoft
certifications one could not believe on my abilities. I too take
intvws for candidates from my company but I check only capabilities
and not the details about one particular technology. There are lots
of things in a product development cycyle that one should be aware
of. I have definitely started reading abt .NET but there are lots
of new things which is making me slow to learn considering my
daily work schedule.

I have worked in C++ MFC threading - CMutex, CSemaphore,
CCriticalSection and all that. Does this knowledge not sufficient
for some one to work in threading in .NET. Are the concepts really
changed...? I dont think so.... Looks like companies becoming very
aggressive and very picky.
Masudur wrote:
On Jun 25, 11:48 pm, "abcd" <[e-mail]:
>I am working on Vistual Studio since last 10 yrs. Working from
>VC++ 1.x and VB 3.x. Currently I am working in VS 6.0, classic ASP,
>COM, ADO. Today its called as old technologies. I have very
>novice++ expereince with .NET. Recently I appeared for one intvw
>and that guy just blasted me and FAILED me . He asked CAS,
>threading, App domains, concurrency ADO.NET, and lots of
>advanced .NET questions even I have not encountered reading
>those. I know I am working on Visual C++, MFC, ATL, VB 6.0 since
>many years. I can handle dot net too once the responsbiliities
>come. My currently products are in old technologies and thats
>what I sped most of my day working in those technologies and not
>getting enough practical exposure to new .NET things...
>>
>How should I handle this issue.
>>
>[if this is not the correct group to discuss this topic then
>kindly excuse me]
>>
>thanks
>
Hi...
>
no worry.... follow microsoft's current certification plan on .net
technology...
you will start running in .net platform soon...it easy ....
>
Masudur
http://munnacs.110mb.com