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question about design aids

hello again people.

I'm sorry but this question is not strictly about ASP....well...not
entirely..or, actually maybe it is..

I'm curious about how some of you go about laying out what you need to do in
order to help you with the overall design of a site.

My method (and I'm wondering if this is typical which is why I'm asking) is
that I have a whole stack of cards about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.
On each of these I write details of the pages I need to write. These cards
are then placed onto a board on my office wall in a layout that allows me to
see how each is connected to the other. I then take down one card at a time
and code that page. working systematically through each one.

does anyone else do this or am I just making myself sound foolish??..is
there a better way I could try?


Jul 19 '05 #1
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Wait a minute? You mean you actually spend time PLANNING what you're going
to do, instead of dropping wholesale into the programming to meet some
arbitrarily decided deadline? Dude, can I come work for you?

Actually, I use a similar method involving a simple pad of paper and a
pencil, that is when I'm given time to plan.

- Wm
--
William Morris
Product Development, Seritas LLC
Kansas City, Missouri

"Alistair" <news@*remove*alistairb.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vu************@corp.supernews.com...
hello again people.

I'm sorry but this question is not strictly about ASP....well...not
entirely..or, actually maybe it is..

I'm curious about how some of you go about laying out what you need to do in order to help you with the overall design of a site.

My method (and I'm wondering if this is typical which is why I'm asking) is that I have a whole stack of cards about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.
On each of these I write details of the pages I need to write. These cards
are then placed onto a board on my office wall in a layout that allows me to see how each is connected to the other. I then take down one card at a time and code that page. working systematically through each one.

does anyone else do this or am I just making myself sound foolish??..is
there a better way I could try?


Jul 19 '05 #2

"William Morris" <ne***************************@seamlyne.com> wrote in
message news:bs************@ID-205671.news.uni-berlin.de...
Wait a minute? You mean you actually spend time PLANNING what you're going to do, instead of dropping wholesale into the programming to meet some
arbitrarily decided deadline? Dude, can I come work for you?

Actually, I use a similar method involving a simple pad of paper and a
pencil, that is when I'm given time to plan.


I'm not as skilled as some of the people wh frequent this NG (Ray, Bob to
name just a couple) so I need all the help I can get!!!

at least with my cards I know exactly which pages I need to code (even
though most of them are made up from re-usable snippets of code)

I was just seeing if there was a way that might improve my skills and
perhaps help with structuring a site.
Jul 19 '05 #3
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:29:52 -0000, "Alistair"
<news@*remove*alistairb.co.uk> wrote:
I'm curious about how some of you go about laying out what you need to do in
order to help you with the overall design of a site.
Cocktail napkins usually.
My method (and I'm wondering if this is typical which is why I'm asking) is
that I have a whole stack of cards about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.
On each of these I write details of the pages I need to write. These cards
are then placed onto a board on my office wall in a layout that allows me to
see how each is connected to the other. I then take down one card at a time
and code that page. working systematically through each one.

does anyone else do this or am I just making myself sound foolish??..is
there a better way I could try?


Whatever works for you *and* is in synch with anyone else on your
development team. Personally, that';s too damned anal for me to
handle. Even the cocktail napkins usually get tossed long before I
actually sit down to cut and paste a site, er, I mean "code" a site...
:)

Jeff
Jul 19 '05 #4
I use Dreamweaver for layouts. Not as cool as cards, but much more
expensive!
"Alistair" <news@*remove*alistairb.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vu************@corp.supernews.com...
hello again people.

I'm sorry but this question is not strictly about ASP....well...not
entirely..or, actually maybe it is..

I'm curious about how some of you go about laying out what you need to do in order to help you with the overall design of a site.

My method (and I'm wondering if this is typical which is why I'm asking) is that I have a whole stack of cards about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.
On each of these I write details of the pages I need to write. These cards
are then placed onto a board on my office wall in a layout that allows me to see how each is connected to the other. I then take down one card at a time and code that page. working systematically through each one.

does anyone else do this or am I just making myself sound foolish??..is
there a better way I could try?


Jul 19 '05 #5
For most of what I do, our webmaster creates all the pages in static html in
Dreamweaver with bogus data, search results, forms, or whatever, puts in
temporary links to different ways the page may be generated once there is
ASP code in it, and then gives it to me. I find this to be extremely
helpful. For web-based application development, I've lost touch with the
end-user perspective somewhere along the way, and I often will do things
that make perfect sense to me from my own end-user's perspective, but make
no sense to someone else. I fear that I'm losing my generic end-user
perspective more and more every day too. :[ So, this is why it is very
helpful to have someone else make a fake application and then I'm merely a
code monkey. There are, of course, conflicts sometimes, as some of the
things that she puts together from an end-user's perspective make no sense
to me as the programmer, but 99% of the time, I can remind myself that I
believe that the program should adapt to the user, not the other way around,
and I go with what she gives me. One other slight drawback with getting the
pages from someone else, is that I can't help but re-html all the html
myself, because I can't take working with Dreamweaver-generated html. So,
while that's a little cumbersome to redo it all, I still come out way ahead
having the pages handed to me.

You may not have a second person who can do this for you, but that doesn't
matter. You can be both people, in theory. You can lay it all out in
static html, and then go back and code it all. I do that for some of the
things I work on on my own. But I have a discipline problem and will often
wind up throwing in some code while I'm at it just because I'm eager to
declare a variable or something.

Ray at home

"Alistair" <news@*remove*alistairb.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vu************@corp.supernews.com...
hello again people.

I'm sorry but this question is not strictly about ASP....well...not
entirely..or, actually maybe it is..

I'm curious about how some of you go about laying out what you need to do in order to help you with the overall design of a site.

My method (and I'm wondering if this is typical which is why I'm asking) is that I have a whole stack of cards about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.
On each of these I write details of the pages I need to write. These cards
are then placed onto a board on my office wall in a layout that allows me to see how each is connected to the other. I then take down one card at a time and code that page. working systematically through each one.

does anyone else do this or am I just making myself sound foolish??..is
there a better way I could try?


Jul 19 '05 #6

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