This newsgroup interface is old ... we need a new forum.

Its aint the newsgroup its that total POS MS Outhouse. use DejaNews
(google groups) interface. Its very clean and simple. We don't need
people embedding all kinds of crap in a news group. The Click Here
issue is merely fluff. Don't fix it if it aiont broken.

On Mar 29, 3:37 pm, "Don Leverton"
<leveriteNoJunkM...@telusplanet.netwrote:

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...action=viewfor
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

On Mar 29, 3:37 pm, "Don Leverton"
<leveriteNoJunkM...@telusplanet.netwrote:

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...action=viewfor
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

Perhaps you're just an asshat for using Microsux Outhouse? Feel free
to populate your hotrodders messageboards, we'll stay here.

Hi, Don.

and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Perhaps you mean Outlook Express. It's not glitzy, but it generally gets
the job done. There are plenty of other news readers out there if you don't
care for Outlook Express, although few of them are as popular.

You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments

Since I'm on dial-up Internet access for the foreseeable future, this isn't
an incentive for me to read a newsgroup's posts that take a minute or three
to download each one. I suspect there are others in the same boat.

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.

I suspect you mean that it would be great for folks to be able to add their
own personalized avatar and their problem database files as attachments to
their newsgroup posts. If so, UtterAccess.com has these capabilities.
However, I've always found that those experts who can diagnose a problem
without ever seeing the database file have far superior skills to those who
must see the database file to diagnose the problem. The former type of
expert is in abundance in this newsgroup, as well as in the
Microsoft-sponsored newsgroups. So if you want to get the best answers,
then post questions in these spartan newsgroups. Or if you want to learn
from the masters, then read the archived posts in these newsgroups. If you
want eye candy or an expert willing to download your possibly virus-infested
files, then head over to the Web-based discussion forums that allow avatars
and file attachments.

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in message
news:kAUOh.28217$x9.4526@edtnps89...

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests
etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG
thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's
awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they
are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...04&action=view
for
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

>Since I'm on dial-up Internet access

Only ~350 miles from Silicon Valley and still on dial-up.

Oh, the irony.... ;)
On Mar 29, 5:31 pm, "'69 Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.
69Cam...@Spameater.orgZERO_SPAMwrote:

Hi, Don.

and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Perhaps you mean Outlook Express. It's not glitzy, but it generally gets
the job done. There are plenty of other news readers out there if you don't
care for Outlook Express, although few of them are as popular.

You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments

Since I'm on dial-up Internet access for the foreseeable future, this isn't
an incentive for me to read a newsgroup's posts that take a minute or three
to download each one. I suspect there are others in the same boat.

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.

I suspect you mean that it would be great for folks to be able to add their
own personalized avatar and their problem database files as attachments to
their newsgroup posts. If so, UtterAccess.com has these capabilities.
However, I've always found that those experts who can diagnose a problem
without ever seeing the database file have far superior skills to those who
must see the database file to diagnose the problem. The former type of
expert is in abundance in this newsgroup, as well as in the
Microsoft-sponsored newsgroups. So if you want to get the best answers,
then post questions in these spartan newsgroups. Or if you want to learn
from the masters, then read the archived posts in these newsgroups. If you
want eye candy or an expert willing to download your possibly virus-infested
files, then head over to the Web-based discussion forums that allow avatars
and file attachments.

HTH.
Gunny

Seehttp://www.QBuilt.comfor all your database needs.
Seehttp://www.Access.QBuilt.comfor Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs:http://www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com...utors2.htmlfor contact
info.

"Don Leverton" <leveriteNoJunkM...@telusplanet.netwrote in message

news:kAUOh.28217$x9.4526@edtnps89...

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests
etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG
thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's
awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they
are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...04&action=view
for
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

Hi, Gord.

I just changed from high-speed cable two months ago. They want too much
money after their merger with Time Warner. They're out of their minds.

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Gord" <gd*@kingston.netwrote in message
news:11*********************@r56g2000hsd.googlegro ups.com...

>Since I'm on dial-up Internet access

Only ~350 miles from Silicon Valley and still on dial-up.

Oh, the irony.... ;)
On Mar 29, 5:31 pm, "'69 Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.
69Cam...@Spameater.orgZERO_SPAMwrote:

Hi, Don.

and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Perhaps you mean Outlook Express. It's not glitzy, but it generally gets
the job done. There are plenty of other news readers out there if you
don't
care for Outlook Express, although few of them are as popular.

You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments

Since I'm on dial-up Internet access for the foreseeable future, this
isn't
an incentive for me to read a newsgroup's posts that take a minute or
three
to download each one. I suspect there are others in the same boat.

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a
project
journal, which is completely sharable.

I suspect you mean that it would be great for folks to be able to add
their
own personalized avatar and their problem database files as attachments to
their newsgroup posts. If so, UtterAccess.com has these capabilities.
However, I've always found that those experts who can diagnose a problem
without ever seeing the database file have far superior skills to those
who
must see the database file to diagnose the problem. The former type of
expert is in abundance in this newsgroup, as well as in the
Microsoft-sponsored newsgroups. So if you want to get the best answers,
then post questions in these spartan newsgroups. Or if you want to learn
from the masters, then read the archived posts in these newsgroups. If
you
want eye candy or an expert willing to download your possibly
virus-infested
files, then head over to the Web-based discussion forums that allow
avatars
and file attachments.

HTH.
Gunny

Seehttp://www.QBuilt.comfor all your database needs.
Seehttp://www.Access.QBuilt.comfor Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs:http://www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com...utors2.htmlfor
contact
info.

"Don Leverton" <leveriteNoJunkM...@telusplanet.netwrote in message

news:kAUOh.28217$x9.4526@edtnps89...

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests
etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG
thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's
awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they
are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a
project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...04&action=view
for
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

'69 Camaro wrote:

Hi, Don.

>>and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Perhaps you mean Outlook Express. It's not glitzy, but it generally gets
the job done. There are plenty of other news readers out there if you don't
care for Outlook Express, although few of them are as popular.

>>You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments

Since I'm on dial-up Internet access for the foreseeable future, this isn't
an incentive for me to read a newsgroup's posts that take a minute or three
to download each one. I suspect there are others in the same boat.

>>The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.

I suspect you mean that it would be great for folks to be able to add their
own personalized avatar and their problem database files as attachments to
their newsgroup posts. If so, UtterAccess.com has these capabilities.
However, I've always found that those experts who can diagnose a problem
without ever seeing the database file have far superior skills to those who
must see the database file to diagnose the problem. The former type of
expert is in abundance in this newsgroup, as well as in the
Microsoft-sponsored newsgroups. So if you want to get the best answers,
then post questions in these spartan newsgroups. Or if you want to learn
from the masters, then read the archived posts in these newsgroups. If you
want eye candy or an expert willing to download your possibly virus-infested
files, then head over to the Web-based discussion forums that allow avatars
and file attachments.

HTH.
Gunny

I concur with what you say.

>
See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in message
news:kAUOh.28217$x9.4526@edtnps89...

>>Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests
etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG
thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's
awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they
are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

The site also allows each user to have their own photo album and a project
journal, which is completely sharable.
My project journal:
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...04&action=view
for
example. <smile>

The whole site seems to be powered by:
(Quote)
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2007. All Rights Reserved.

Don

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote

The site also allows each user to have their
own photo album and a project journal,
which is completely sharable. My project journal:
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...04&action=view
for example. <smile>

Don

What a shame to see you go, Don, and just now returned. I hope you enjoy the
glitzier environment. Drop back in here with us dinosaurs, from time to
time, if you have the time.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP

Don Leverton wrote:

Hi Folks,
I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

It would seem your statement of capability deficiency for this forum is
that it's old and you don't have a pick list of fancy smilies to choose
from. So what if the newsgroup is "old"? It's an invaluable resource
that has not been trolled out like some usenet groups.

If you absolutely positively must have a web interface or are incapable
of expressing your responses in a text environment, then look for other
forums, there are several out there like AccessMonster, possibly
DevelopersDex.

However please do not presume to push your wishes and desires on other
people who find this forum excellent.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

"ManningFan" <ma********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@y66g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...

>Perhaps you're just an asshat for using Microsux Outhouse? Feel free
to populate your hotrodders messageboards, we'll stay here.

Asshat?
So we're resorting to calling names, now ... isn't that going just a bit too
far?
One of the reasons that I left this NG was because of all the BS and
chest-beating.
I see little has changed in that department.
What I have noticed is that some of the REAL gurus and wizards are still
hanging out here, but others have obviously moved on, too. Gee ... I wonder
why?

BTW, I'm all for the good things that this site has to offer, and I have
offered my help and opinions here before ... at least 1,400 times.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Do...2007&safe=off&

Christ guys ... the newsgroup improvement was just a comment! No need to get
your panties in a wad.
Just keep banging away on the keybords of your 386's and pretend that
everything new is BAD.

And yeah, I probably will spend more time on Hotrodders ... at least most of
treat each other with a bit of respect there.

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.notwrote in
news:wwYOh.40057$Ht2.8007@trnddc06:

What a shame to see you go, Don, and just now returned. I hope you
enjoy the glitzier environment. Drop back in here with us dinosaurs,
from time to time, if you have the time.

Yes, it's really sad, but I for one (of the old dinosaurs) will have a
couple of beers, shed a couple of tears and try to hold up somehow. When I
feel the need for glitz, I guess "Treasures" will be my only recourse.

--
lyle fairfield

Ceterum censeo Redmond esse delendam.

It's content that matters to me - not flash and pop

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in
news:kAUOh.28217$x9.4526@edtnps89:

I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other
interests etc. I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and
find this whole NG thing a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm
using Microsoft Outlook)

Then get a proper newsreader.

D'oh.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

Tim Marshall <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertheriumwrote in
news:eu**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca:

If you absolutely positively must have a web interface or are
incapable of expressing your responses in a text environment, then
look for other forums, there are several out there like
AccessMonster, possibly DevelopersDex.

Don't both of those sites just repackage Usenet groups? The only
independent web-based Access forum I know of is UtterAccess, which
is not nearly as good as CDMA + the Microsoft newsgroups.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"Don Leverton" <My*****@Telus.Netwrote in
news:aBYOh.28362$x9.3360@edtnps89:

One of the reasons that I left this NG was because of all the BS
and chest-beating.
I see little has changed in that department.

Good newsreaders support complex killfile capability, so you really
don't have to see this stuff, I don't know of any web interfaces
that allow the same killfile capability.

What I have noticed is that some of the REAL gurus and wizards are
still hanging out here, but others have obviously moved on, too.
Gee ... I wonder why?

Perhaps because Access use is on the wane. Perhaps because these
folks have gained new skills that have taken them out of Access
development and on to other things.

BTW, I'm all for the good things that this site has to offer, and
I have offered my help and opinions here before ... at least 1,400
times.

This is not a site. It's a Usenet group.

I think your problems with the "interface" are all cosmetic. I
*hate* web-based UIs because they are slow and larded up with things
I don't need. And they lack almost all of the capabilities of a good
newsreader to filter and search and sort and thread according to
your own needs.

But if you're using Outlook Express, then you're not using a good
newsreader, and that very well may be the source of your
dissatisfaction. Try a better newsreader (I use xNews) and see if it
doesn't improve the experience of reading Usenet.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

David W. Fenton wrote:

Don't both of those sites just repackage Usenet groups?

Probably right, I was just trying to throw something out so that I
didn't sound completely negative. I don't visit any Access forums other
than this one (and various folks web pages here and, of course, The
Access Web).
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Be Careful, Big Bird!" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

On Mar 29, 9:26 pm, lyle fairfield <lylef...@yahoo.cawrote:

lyle fairfield

Ceterum censeo Redmond esse delendam.

Si fuerint quinquaginta justi in civitate, peribunt simul? Et non
parces loco illi propter quinquaginta justos, si fuerint in eo?

Bruce

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote:

>I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately, and find this whole NG thing
a little awkward and cumbersome.(I'm using Microsoft Outlook)

Compare this with the hotrodders.com bulletin board
(http://hotrodders.com/forum/) and you'll see what I mean ... it's awesome.
You can include pictures with your posts (either as attachments if they are
from your PC, or as an html reference to a picture from the net. You can
insert hyperlinks captioned "Click Here" etc instead of
("http://blahblahblah.com/whatever.pdf")

However NNTP/Newsgroups have a lot of good features too. For example by using a
client of my choosing, in this case Agent, I can watch or ignore entire threads. I
can work in newsgroups while in a motel room using dial up or in a restaurant.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote:

>I've been away from this NG for quite a while, persuing other interests etc.
I have made a few posts / replies here lately,

BTW nice to see you back. I gotta swing by and visit this summer some time.
Assuming you're still in Alberta.

Please email me separately.

Thanks, Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm

OK guys,

I'm sorry ... I really didn't intend to cause an uproar with this post.

The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the ability
to go back in and edit something that you have posted.
I find myself saying "oh yeah" a lot more often (old age) ... AFTER hitting
the [Send] button.

Another nice thing is that including the entire thread with each subsequent
is NOT the default, and that you can easily CHOOSE to copy/paste a previous
comment and "wrap" it in quote container.

Yeah ... OK ... I admit it ... I use the smilies, too.
:)

Pictures - screen shots ... "worth a 1,000 words"

Tables - much better than something like:

---------------------------------
Line | PartNumber | Description |
| | |
And maybe I'm spoiled by my high-speed connection.
I find it unfathomable that many of you live in much bigger centers than I
do (pop. 6,000)
and are still suffering with dial-up! UGH!

I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP no longer
offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP no longer

offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

It would appear so. That was me. I've been suffering the web based
access for a while now, and there is no option in my area for high-
speed. (Unless you go to wireless @ $1000 for the tower, plus
equipment, plus 3 year contract)
Quote from their web page....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As of May 25, 2006, Bell Sympatico will discontinue its Usenet
newsgroup service. All existing Sympatico newsgroups will be removed
and we will no longer host a Usenet service.

Going forward, we invite you to post messages on our web-based
discussion forums available at www.bell.ca/internetforum.

For those who wish to keep using Usenet, NewsHosting (an unaffiliated
Usenet provider) will provide Bell Sympatico customers up to 1 GB per
month of Usenet service at no cost. Optional premium services, which
can be purchased directly from NewsHosting, are also available. To
sign up, or learn more about these services, visit
bell.newshosting.com.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Other links follow that.

The "unaffiliated Usenet provider" allows you to view threads, but not
contribute to them - except at about $10 a month to start. The
customer service lacky claimed it was due to the increased popularity
of blogs and other community type services.

storrboy wrote:

>>I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP no longer
offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

It would appear so. That was me. I've been suffering the web based
access for a while now, and there is no option in my area for high-
speed. (Unless you go to wireless @ $1000 for the tower, plus
equipment, plus 3 year contract)
Quote from their web page....
As of May 25, 2006, Bell Sympatico will discontinue its Usenet
newsgroup service. All existing Sympatico newsgroups will be removed
and we will no longer host a Usenet service.

Going forward, we invite you to post messages on our web-based
discussion forums available at www.bell.ca/internetforum.

For those who wish to keep using Usenet, NewsHosting (an unaffiliated
Usenet provider) will provide Bell Sympatico customers up to 1 GB per
month of Usenet service at no cost. Optional premium services, which
can be purchased directly from NewsHosting, are also available. To
sign up, or learn more about these services, visit
bell.newshosting.com.

Other links follow that.

The "unaffiliated Usenet provider" allows you to view threads, but not
contribute to them - except at about $10 a month to start. The
customer service lacky claimed it was due to the increased popularity
of blogs and other community type services.

AOL dropped usenet a couple of years back.

Hi, Don.

The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the ability
to go back in and edit something that you have posted.

I'll admit, I'd love to have that feature, too.

Tables - much better than something like:

---------------------------------
Line | PartNumber | Description |
| | |

That's also a very handy feature, but it's not that often I need to display
information in a table format in a newsgroup post. Probably three or four
times a year, so it's not heavy on my list of priorities. YMMV.

And maybe I'm spoiled by my high-speed connection.
I find it unfathomable that many of you live in much bigger centers than I
do (pop. 6,000)
and are still suffering with dial-up! UGH!

Last year, nearly 40% of Americans were still on dial-up, so it's not that
uncommon. I was on high-speed Internet for years, and I have to say it's
inconvenient not having it. But Time-Warner merged with my cable company
and jacked up the already high prices -- because they're the only cable
company in the area, so there's no competition. The price is nearly double
what I was paying a little more than a year ago in a nearby area -- and
they're providing fewer services. They're out of their minds. It's 11
times the price I'm paying for my dial-up ISP.

I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP no
longer offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

My dial-up ISP provides free UseNet, and I have to say it's up more often
than my former cable company's UseNet service ever was. Many of the good
ISP's offer free UseNet with your service. Shop around if your ISP doesn't
offer it.

HTH.
Gunny

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"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in message
news:dliRh.167$Uf7.61@edtnps89...

OK guys,

I'm sorry ... I really didn't intend to cause an uproar with this post.

The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the ability
to go back in and edit something that you have posted.
I find myself saying "oh yeah" a lot more often (old age) ... AFTER
hitting the [Send] button.

Another nice thing is that including the entire thread with each
subsequent is NOT the default, and that you can easily CHOOSE to
copy/paste a previous comment and "wrap" it in quote container.

Yeah ... OK ... I admit it ... I use the smilies, too.
:)

Pictures - screen shots ... "worth a 1,000 words"

Tables - much better than something like:

---------------------------------
Line | PartNumber | Description |
| | |
And maybe I'm spoiled by my high-speed connection.
I find it unfathomable that many of you live in much bigger centers than I
do (pop. 6,000)
and are still suffering with dial-up! UGH!

I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP no
longer offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in message
news:dliRh.167$Uf7.61@edtnps89...

OK guys,

I'm sorry ... I really didn't intend to cause an uproar with this post.

The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the ability to
go back in and edit something that you have posted.
I find myself saying "oh yeah" a lot more often (old age) ... AFTER hitting
the [Send] button. [snip]

The biggest difference is that you are describing a "site", not a network.
Totally controlled and hosted by one entity (right?). Surely there are huge
advantages to using a network like newsnet over being at the whim of one
provider would you not agree?

I believe as broadband gets more universal that newsnet will drift further away
from text only and many of the things you describe as advantages on hotrodders
will become common. The binary groups are getting more numerous all the time.

--
Rick Brandt, Microsoft Access MVP
Email (as appropriate) to...
RBrandt at Hunter dot com

"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:su******************@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...

>

<snip>
....

The biggest difference is that you are describing a "site", not a network.
Totally controlled and hosted by one entity (right?). Surely there are
huge advantages to using a network like newsnet over being at the whim of
one provider would you not agree?

Well, yes ... I will agree with that.
The site admistrator and moderators can and do move/delete posts at their
discretion. That site has several sections of relevance, so it's not
uncommon to find a newbies post has been moved to the appropriate forum.

There was one thread of particular importance to the Admin ... one that he
wanted to keep entirely "on-focus" because he KNEW and expected it to be
monitored by the news media. I happen to know that there were a few guys
offended when their comments were moved or downright removed.

On the other hand ... trolls are dealt with quickly, and if the behavior
does not change ... their IP address and username are BANNED.
Spam and viruses are reported and quickly removed.
Advertising is not allowed in the general forum, but a specific classified
section has been set up.
I know that someone is going to reply with a "freedom of speach" comment
here, and I'll respond to that by posting a link to some un-moderated sites
if they'd like to see the difference.

Don

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in
news:dliRh.167$Uf7.61@edtnps89:

The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the
ability to go back in and edit something that you have posted.
I find myself saying "oh yeah" a lot more often (old age) ...
AFTER hitting the [Send] button.

Hmm. I don't have that issue to much, because I tend to think about
what I'm posting and proof it carefully precisely because I *can't*
take it back once sent.

Another nice thing is that including the entire thread with each
subsequent is NOT the default, and that you can easily CHOOSE to
copy/paste a previous comment and "wrap" it in quote container.

Huh? That only happens when people fail to trim their quotations.
The thing I *hate* about web interfaces like UtterAccess is
unreliable quoting, and I usually have to muck with it manually.

Pictures - screen shots ... "worth a 1,000 words"

Don't you have a website?

Tables - much better than something like:

---------------------------------
Line | PartNumber | Description |
| | |

Don't you have a website?

And maybe I'm spoiled by my high-speed connection.
I find it unfathomable that many of you live in much bigger
centers than I do (pop. 6,000)
and are still suffering with dial-up! UGH!

I'm on dialup because I can't justify the expense given my current
income. Things are looking up so I'll likely be back on broadband by
the end of the year. But that's not really the issue for me. It's
the lack of controllable threading and killfiles that bothers me
about web interfaces to discussions.

I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP
no longer offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

That's been going on for the last decade. Subscriptions to
commercial newsservers are often not all the expensive. Were my ISP
to drop support, I'd definitely get my own subscription, because I
can't abide any of the web interfaces to the Usenet groups I use
regularly.

YMMV.

I'm here for content, not for bells and whistles, and controlling
the content is more important than having it look good.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"storrboy" <st******@sympatico.cawrote in
news:11**********************@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com:

The "unaffiliated Usenet provider" allows you to view threads, but
not contribute to them - except at about $10 a month to start. The
customer service lacky claimed it was due to the increased
popularity of blogs and other community type services.

Blogs have definitely reduced the traffic in more social newsgroups,
but I don't see them taking over from technical newsgroups. Usenet
is still the source I go to for answers to most computer and
technical problems (and where I find the answers, most often).

My ISP dropped its own news server may 7 or 8 years ago, but
subscribed to Giganews.com. I don't know how much it costs them, nor
how much their subscribers use it, but it works very well for me.
And it's also efficient, since Giganews is in the business of
maintaining large-scale news servers, something that just ain't very
easy for a small ISP.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"no******@unsettled.com" <no******@unsettled.comwrote in
news:84**************************@DIALUPUSA.NET:

AOL dropped usenet a couple of years back.

Er, hasn't everybody quit using AOL except for sex chat?

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in
news:asvRh.3134$hO2.932@edtnps82:

On the other hand ... trolls are dealt with quickly, and if the
behavior does not change ... their IP address and username are
BANNED.

And what always happens in that case is that the offender gets a
different account and finds a way to post from a different IP
address.

You can simply not ban a person because the Internet has no way of
authoritatively determining the true person behind the Internet
persona. It's a losing battle and always will be.

Spam and viruses are reported and quickly removed.
Advertising is not allowed in the general forum, but a specific
classified section has been set up.
I know that someone is going to reply with a "freedom of speach"
comment here, and I'll respond to that by posting a link to some
un-moderated sites if they'd like to see the difference.

None of us like trolls, but if we decide to cut out the trolls'
posts, then what happens when someone decides *you're* a troll? When
you allow the banning of any individuals for content, there is no
reason they can't ban you some day.

This is why the KKK was allowed to march in Skokie, because free
speech is only a protection when we insure it for those whose speech
we most dislike.

Of course, the First Amendment doesn't apply to a private website.
But by editing for content, the owners of that website are taking on
liability for the things they *don't* edit out. If you're editing,
you cannot pass on responsibility for anything that you *didn't*
edit out, and that's a great way to end up in court (copyright
infringement is the most common issue where this happens).

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalidwrote:

>AOL dropped usenet a couple of years back.

Er, hasn't everybody quit using AOL except for sex chat?

<chuckle>

Tony
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read the entire thread of messages.
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No, David ... I don't have my own website.
No, David ... I don't have my own website.
<grin>

YMMV ? I had to look that one up ...
http://www.acronymfinder.com/acronym.aspx?rec={8D6FBB07-89E8-11D4-8351-00C04FC2C2BF}=
"Your Mileage May Vary"

I also don't understand what you mean by:

"It's the lack of controllable threading and killfiles that bothers
me about web interfaces to discussions."

Controllable threading? Is that were all conversations are grouped together
under the same subject heading ... treeview style?
Here is a link to "New Posts"
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/sear...earchid=975990
Notice that each thread displays both the number of replies and the number
of views. Clicking on the thread displays all of the related replies, and
can span several pages. There is even a "View First Unread" link which gets
you "caught up" to the conversation quickly.

Killfiles? Is that the same as: "Ignore replies from this idiot"?
This is from my "User Control Panel" at Hotrodders.

Buddy / Ignore Lists
To remove a user from either the Buddy or Ignore Lists, delete their
name from the appropriate box. To add a user to either list, enter their
name in one of the empty boxes for that list.
Buddy List
Ignore List


To view the complete members list, click here.

IMHO, hotrodders does have a HUGE amount of content ... as well as the bells
and whistles.
YMMV <grin>
"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalidwrote in message
news:Xn*********************************@127.0.0.1 ...

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in
news:dliRh.167$Uf7.61@edtnps89:

>The BEST thing I like about the hotrodders style of posting is the
ability to go back in and edit something that you have posted.
I find myself saying "oh yeah" a lot more often (old age) ...
AFTER hitting the [Send] button.

Hmm. I don't have that issue to much, because I tend to think about
what I'm posting and proof it carefully precisely because I *can't*
take it back once sent.

>Another nice thing is that including the entire thread with each
subsequent is NOT the default, and that you can easily CHOOSE to
copy/paste a previous comment and "wrap" it in quote container.

Huh? That only happens when people fail to trim their quotations.
The thing I *hate* about web interfaces like UtterAccess is
unreliable quoting, and I usually have to muck with it manually.

>Pictures - screen shots ... "worth a 1,000 words"

Don't you have a website?

>Tables - much better than something like:

---------------------------------
Line | PartNumber | Description |
| | |

Don't you have a website?

>And maybe I'm spoiled by my high-speed connection.
I find it unfathomable that many of you live in much bigger
centers than I do (pop. 6,000)
and are still suffering with dial-up! UGH!

I'm on dialup because I can't justify the expense given my current
income. Things are looking up so I'll likely be back on broadband by
the end of the year. But that's not really the issue for me. It's
the lack of controllable threading and killfiles that bothers me
about web interfaces to discussions.

>I also spotted a post here tonight by a fellow saying that his ISP
no longer offers newsgroup service.
Is this the writing on the wall?

That's been going on for the last decade. Subscriptions to
commercial newsservers are often not all the expensive. Were my ISP
to drop support, I'd definitely get my own subscription, because I
can't abide any of the web interfaces to the Usenet groups I use
regularly.

YMMV.

I'm here for content, not for bells and whistles, and controlling
the content is more important than having it look good.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"Don Leverton" <le****************@telusplanet.netwrote in
news:olDRh.4693$hO2.3830@edtnps82:

No, David ... I don't have my own website.
No, David ... I don't have my own website.

You should.

YMMV ? I had to look that one up ...
http://www.acronymfinder.com/acronym.aspx?rec={8D6FBB07-89E8-11D4-8
351-00C04FC2C2BF}= "Your Mileage May Vary"

I also don't understand what you mean by:

"It's the lack of controllable threading and killfiles
that bothers me about web interfaces to discussions."

Controllable threading? Is that were all conversations are grouped
together under the same subject heading ... treeview style?

No, having multiple choices of how you display the posts:

1. treaded by subject, in chronological order.

2. thread by references, in chronological order.

3. sorted in chronological order, unthreaded.

And so for forth.

I've never seen a web-based forum that allows as many options for
display as my newsreader.

Also, even the display options it *does* offer, are not nearly so
convenient (nor fast) as what's offered in a news reader.

Here is a link to "New Posts"
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/sear...earchid=975990
Notice that each thread displays both the number of replies and
the number of views.

Just like any number of online forums. YAWN. I don't really care
that much about number of posts or number of views. I just want to
be able to read the threads in the most convenient method possible.

Most web sites don't offer good methods for watching threads or for
keeping track of what you've read and what you haven't. In a
newsreader, this is the most trivial function and just works. On a
website forum, you wave to do something additional to get this basic
newsreader functionality, and even then, it's not nearly as
versatile as any of the most basic newsreaders I've seen.

Clicking on the thread displays all of the related replies, and
can span several pages. There is even a "View First Unread" link
which gets you "caught up" to the conversation quickly.

Killfiles? Is that the same as: "Ignore replies from this idiot"?
This is from my "User Control Panel" at Hotrodders.

Buddy / Ignore Lists
To remove a user from either the Buddy or Ignore Lists,
delete their
name from the appropriate box. To add a user to either list, enter
their name in one of the empty boxes for that list.
Buddy List
Ignore List
To view the complete members list, click here.

IMHO, hotrodders does have a HUGE amount of content ... as well as
the bells and whistles.

This is *barely* comparable to a proper news reader. My newsreader
has a plain old killfile, but it also has a score file, which allows
you to rate posts or posters on a scale from -9999 to 9999. You can
use regular expressions on a number of headers in order to apply
these scores. There is no web forum that comes close to that kind of
functionality.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/