How are you connecting to this group?

[Barry Wright]

Hi All,

I have been connecting to this group through Rogers cable my internet
service provider. However, Rogers has announced that effective Dec 15th they
will no longer providing access to "usenet".

What is your preferred method of accessing this group?

Regards,
Barry Wright

[Lyle Fairfield]

Barry Wright wrote:

What is your preferred method of accessing this group?

Google is great for reading.
I find that it's not so good for posting. Sometimes my posts are sent
twice [maybe due to my clumsiness]; often there are spelling errors; the
procedure for editing the message to which one is replying is involved
and slow.

I'm astounded by this move by Rogers and disappointed that the CRTC (if
that's the regulatory body) will permit it.

--
Lyle Fairfield

[Bernard Peek]

In message <8N******************************@rogers.com>, Barry Wright
<ba*****************@NOSPAMrogers.com> writes

Hi All,

I have been connecting to this group through Rogers cable my internet
service provider. However, Rogers has announced that effective Dec 15th they
will no longer providing access to "usenet".

What is your preferred method of accessing this group?

You need to find a new news server. If you can't find a free server then
the service from news.individual.net has been recommended to me. It
costs ten euros a year, about $10.

--
Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.

[John Marshall, MVP]

Looks like it is a cost saving measure. Rogers used GigaNews to provide
access to the newsgroups.

CRTC regulates what you can provide, not what you should provide.

John... Visio MVP

"Lyle Fairfield" <ly***********@aim.com> wrote in message
news:oD***************@read2.cgocable.net...

Barry Wright wrote:

What is your preferred method of accessing this group?

Google is great for reading.
I find that it's not so good for posting. Sometimes my posts are sent
twice [maybe due to my clumsiness]; often there are spelling errors; the
procedure for editing the message to which one is replying is involved and
slow.

I'm astounded by this move by Rogers and disappointed that the CRTC (if
that's the regulatory body) will permit it.

--
Lyle Fairfield

[Lyle Fairfield]

John Marshall, MVP wrote:

Looks like it is a cost saving measure. Rogers used GigaNews to provide
access to the newsgroups.

CRTC regulates what you can provide, not what you should provide.

John... Visio MVP

"Lyle Fairfield" <ly***********@aim.com> wrote in message
news:oD***************@read2.cgocable.net...

Barry Wright wrote:

What is your preferred method of accessing this group?

Google is great for reading.
I find that it's not so good for posting. Sometimes my posts are sent
twice [maybe due to my clumsiness]; often there are spelling errors; the
procedure for editing the message to which one is replying is involved and
slow.

I'm astounded by this move by Rogers and disappointed that the CRTC (if
that's the regulatory body) will permit it.

As we are so far off topic now, a bit more may be allowed. Cogeco is
often, but not always, just plain BAD for newsgroups. (It's been OK
lately). I've been thinking about Bell Sympatico ADSL (did I get the
letters in the right order?). Perhaps there is someone here who has used
both Cable and Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line [this I can remember;
ADSL I can't] and can comment.

--
Lyle Fairfield

[David W. Fenton]

"Barry Wright" <ba*****************@NOSPAMrogers.com> wrote in
news:8N******************************@rogers.com:

I have been connecting to this group through Rogers cable my
internet service provider. However, Rogers has announced that
effective Dec 15th they will no longer providing access to
"usenet".

Are they reducing your monthly subscription fee accordingly?

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

[Larry Linson]

"David W. Fenton" wrote

Are they reducing your monthly subscription fee accordingly?

Weasel words for such a move might begin, "In order to avoid increasing your
monthly subscription fee because of cost increases....". There is such
competition here in the US that I'd be surprised if any major provider took
such an action unless they were teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

Larry

[David W. Fenton]

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in
news:yV8lf.1707$Oq3.865@trnddc05:

"David W. Fenton" wrote

Are they reducing your monthly subscription fee accordingly?

Weasel words for such a move might begin, "In order to avoid
increasing your monthly subscription fee because of cost
increases....". There is such competition here in the US that I'd
be surprised if any major provider took such an action unless they
were teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

I would not subscribe to an ISP that did not provide any Usenet
access, and would drop one that ceased providing it without reducing
the monthly fee accordingly. The $10/year cost for a standalone news
provider that someone quoted seems much lower than I remember when I
last looked at this -- it was more like $5/month.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

[Ted]

It seems like I'm missing the boat on this subject. Why don't you just
browse to http://groups.google.com, sign up and subscribe to this news
group?
The URL for this group is
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access.
That is how I found the group and how I access it every day without a
problem. I have it send me emails four times a day with links of all
the new postings to this group.
Seems pretty easy to me.

[Rick Brandt]

Ted wrote:

It seems like I'm missing the boat on this subject. Why don't you just
browse to http://groups.google.com, sign up and subscribe to this news
group?
The URL for this group is
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access.
That is how I found the group and how I access it every day without a
problem. I have it send me emails four times a day with links of all
the new postings to this group.
Seems pretty easy to me.

If you ever worked with Newsnet usng a real newsreader client application though
you wouldn't think so highly of using Google. Web-based interfaces pale in
comparison to a real reader app.

I use the Google interface for searching (because you pretty much have to) and
think it's a horrible way to read newsgroups.

--
I don't check the Email account attached
to this message. Send instead to...
RBrandt at Hunter dot com

[Barry Wright]

No reduction.
I did send an email (see below) which they diplomatically responded to (see
also below) and as you can see have not yet stopped the service, perhaps
they are getting a lot of negotive feedback!

Dear Rogers,
I have been a loyal Rogers customer since the 1960's. However, to say the
least I am not impressed with this decision to discontinue with usenet
services.
Having the ability to post questions to usenet groups is an important part
of my ability to function successfully in the business world.
Since I will need to signup with an alternate usenet service I will be
evaluating my need for other Roger services as well: cable, wireless and the
internet.

Regards,
Barry Wright

Dear Barry Wright,
We apologize for the delay in responding to your email. We are currently
receiving higher email volume than normal, and are attempting to answer all
email as quickly as possible in the order they arrive.

We understand your concerns regarding the NNTP Service that will end on Dec
15, 2005.
Usenet was one of the earliest forms of user discussion on the Internet, but
today has largely been replaced by blogs, instant messaging, personal web
pages and other tools. As a result, fewer and fewer people are accessing
Usenet.

Therefore, Rogers has decided to discontinue its Usenet service. We are
unable to apply any credit to your account as there was never a separate
charge for the Usenet Service.

Customers with a continuing desire to read or post Usenet text messages can
do so through Google Groups. This is an excellent resource that provides a
searchable archive of every text message ever posted to Usenet.

Additionally, customers can go to companies like Giganews
(www.giganews.com), our supplier up until the point when we discontinue
Usenet. These companies offer a full Usenet service on a subscription basis.

If you are a user of this service and would like more information on
alternatives, please visit: http://www.rogers.com/usenet for more details.

If you have any further questions or comments regarding our service, please
fill out the online form on our Customer Support page listed below or
contact us by phone at 1-888-288-4663.

Regards,
Boris L.
Rogers Yahoo!Hi-Speed Internet
Electronic Support Group
"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@216.196. 97.142...

"Barry Wright" <ba*****************@NOSPAMrogers.com> wrote in
news:8N******************************@rogers.com:

I have been connecting to this group through Rogers cable my
internet service provider. However, Rogers has announced that
effective Dec 15th they will no longer providing access to
"usenet".

Are they reducing your monthly subscription fee accordingly?

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

[Lyle Fairfield]

Argggggghhhhhhhh!
I am not a fan of Rogers.
If Saturday morning is boring you and you have nothing to do, try:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ry/Technology/

[John Marshall, MVP]

The key to your answer is:

Usenet was one of the earliest forms of user discussion on the Internet,
but
today has largely been replaced by blogs, instant messaging, personal web
pages and other tools. As a result, fewer and fewer people are accessing
Usenet.
Very lame excuse to justify their actions. With Blogs and IM you only deal
with one or a couple of experts and only at convenient times, Usenet gives
you access to far more experts and due to the numbers, responses should be
faster. Web pages are handy, but they do not answer all questions. In the
Usenet community they are useful for redirecting questions to a source of
basic answers.
customers can go to companies like Giganews
(www.giganews.com), our supplier up until ...

The real reason is are trying to save money.

John... Visio MVP

[Lyle Fairfield]

Are you Ted Rogers? :-)

[Randy Harris]

IMO - lamentable, but usenet via NNTP days are numbered. SBC still provides
it, but they've made it clear that they do not consider it a priority. I
still miss compuserve.

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
I'm pretty sure I know everything that I can remember.

[Bri]

Barry,

That response to you is a direct quote of their page on their site:
http://www.shoprogers.com/store/cable/usenet.asp

I subscribe through Shaw and thought, "if Rogers is going this
direction, when will Shaw follow?". So, I called them up and asked what
the future of Usenet Servers were at Shaw. Their response was that they
are in the process of upgrading their Usenet Servers and apologized for
any service delays I was having (they assumed I was asking my question
because I thought the News service was too slow). I clarified and
mentioned that Rogers was cancelling Usenet. The response was that Shaw
has their own servers and do not contract it out (like Rogers does with
Giganews) and there was no plan to discontinue it, "otherwise, why would
we be spending money to upgrade the servers?".

Hopefully Rogers will "get the message" and continue your usenet services.

Usenet is far from dead, Google Groups is no replacement for a good News
reader.

--
Bri

Barry Wright wrote:

No reduction.
I did send an email (see below) which they diplomatically responded to (see
also below) and as you can see have not yet stopped the service, perhaps
they are getting a lot of negotive feedback!

[CDMAPoster]

Ted wrote:

It seems like I'm missing the boat on this subject. Why don't you just
browse to http://groups.google.com, sign up and subscribe to this news
group?
The URL for this group is
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access.
That is how I found the group and how I access it every day without a
problem. I have it send me emails four times a day with links of all
the new postings to this group.
Seems pretty easy to me.

Is there any chance that Google will ever start charging people to
access Google Groups? I'd hate to have to pay to retrieve my own posts
:-). I used to use PNews from an Ultrix account for posting to usenet.
I've been using Thunderbird to post to Microsoft groups but that can
get inconvenient when I'm on the road. Plus, searching using
Thunderbird isn't as nice as it is using Google. BTW, is there any
chance that Microsoft will ever start charging people to access their
groups? I'd hate... oh, I already said that.

James A. Fortune
CD********@FortuneJames.com

[Barry Wright]

Interesting Bri,
Although Rogers said they are discontinuing usenet on Dec 15th here it is
Dec 18th and it is still running. Be interesting to see what happens.

Regards,
Barry


"Bri" <no*@here.com> wrote in message
news:Zz%of.134546$Gd6.21329@pd7tw3no...

Barry,

That response to you is a direct quote of their page on their site:
http://www.shoprogers.com/store/cable/usenet.asp

I subscribe through Shaw and thought, "if Rogers is going this direction,
when will Shaw follow?". So, I called them up and asked what the future of
Usenet Servers were at Shaw. Their response was that they are in the
process of upgrading their Usenet Servers and apologized for any service
delays I was having (they assumed I was asking my question because I
thought the News service was too slow). I clarified and mentioned that
Rogers was cancelling Usenet. The response was that Shaw has their own
servers and do not contract it out (like Rogers does with Giganews) and
there was no plan to discontinue it, "otherwise, why would we be spending
money to upgrade the servers?".

Hopefully Rogers will "get the message" and continue your usenet services.

Usenet is far from dead, Google Groups is no replacement for a good News
reader.

--
Bri

Barry Wright wrote:

No reduction.
I did send an email (see below) which they diplomatically responded to
(see
also below) and as you can see have not yet stopped the service, perhaps
they are getting a lot of negotive feedback!

[Lyle Fairfield]

<BIG><OFF-TOPIC><RANT>
A while ago Rogers said it was discontinuing accepting sms text
messages from ICQ on June 15. It happened sometime during July.

Roger has been steadily cutting back its service for the last couple of
years.

A year or so it decided to help protect us from e-mail SPAM on our cell
phones. To do this it follows this procedure: when we get an e-mail
addressed to our cell phones it sends us a message, "You have an
e-mail from Maggie Trudeau; reply with "Read, if you would like to
receive this message." Great, right. Oh sure except that we now pay for
three messages to get e-mail on our cell phones, one the notification,
two the "Yes, I wanna see what Maggies says", and three, what Maggie
actually says.

I have noticed that call answer now has pauses of several seconds
between insturctions. Why? Because it realizes I am old and stupid and
it wants to go slow so I understand? Or, because those few seconds add
up and maybe when I get my messages my time will go past the next
minute barrier; result: twenty cents for Rogers.

Rogers frequently miss bills me (bills me twice for the same thing);
surprise, surprise it is always an over-billing. I !!!think!!! I find
all the errors. I call Customer Service and they are properly
apologetic and fix things up in a jiffy or ten minutes. But how many
people check their bills carefully?

Right now there is an action against Rogers. A woman is claiming that
Rogers can detect unusual activity on a cell and disconnect it if it
indicates that it has probably been stolen and someone is running up
huge costs (hers was about $14000) on it. And they do disconnect it,
UNLESS, the owner has an A1 credit rating. Who would risk an A1 credit
rating for $14000? Better to just let the thing run on and collect the
$14000 from the owner of the phone who is too honest, too timid or too
bewildered to refuce to pay, [ and can pay] right?
But if the person can't pay, then pull the plug!

Did I mention that I am not a fan of Rogers?
</BIG></OFF-TOPIC></RANT>