emailing from access

Dave

Hi,

I have found some code on the Microsoft knowledge base that 'should' allow
me to send emails and attachments

However the code tries to use Outlook and i want it to use outlook Express

the line that selects outlook is

Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

What do i use instead of Outlook.Application to get it to use Outlook
Express instead?

Thanks

Dave

Nov 13 '05 #1

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Lyle Fairfield

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@sparta.btinternet.com:

What do i use instead of Outlook.Application to get it to use Outlook
Express instead?

You can find some code to send e-mail through Outlook Express in the
downloads section of the site designated in my signature line.

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #2

Dave

How do i find the downloads section?

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
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"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@sparta.btinternet.com:
What do i use instead of Outlook.Application to get it to use Outlook
Express instead?

You can find some code to send e-mail through Outlook Express in the
downloads section of the site designated in my signature line.

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #3

Lyle Fairfield

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@titan.btinternet.com:

How do i find the downloads section?

You could click on

Home

or perhaps

Portfolio

or Contacts

or maybe

Donwloads?

Let me check ... yeppers ... "Downloads" works for me.
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #4

Dave

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@titan.btinternet.com:
How do i find the downloads section?

You could click on

Home

or perhaps

Portfolio

or Contacts

or maybe

Donwloads?

Let me check ... yeppers ... "Downloads" works for me.
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #5

Lyle Fairfield

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that some older
browser or some cached page may not show the links. The links are manifested
as images are instantiated through Javascript. One of those conditions might
account for their being invisible.

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #6

Wayne Gillespie

On 2 Jun 2004 20:04:03 GMT, Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote:

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that some older
browser or some cached page may not show the links. The links are manifested
as images are instantiated through Javascript. One of those conditions might
account for their being invisible.

I have never had a problem viewing your site using IE 6, however today -

Problems with this web page might prevent it from being displayed properly or functioning properly.
Line: 91
Char: 1
Error: Syntax Error
Code:0
URL: http://ffdba.com/heading.htm

I get your FFDBA logo and nothing else.
Wayne Gillespie
Gosford NSW Australia

Nov 13 '05 #7

Lyle Fairfield

Wayne Gillespie <be*****@NObestfitsoftwareSPAM.com.au> wrote in
news:6p********************************@4ax.com:

On 2 Jun 2004 20:04:03 GMT, Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com>
wrote:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that some
older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The links are
manifested as images are instantiated through Javascript. One of those
conditions might account for their being invisible.

I have never had a problem viewing your site using IE 6, however today -

Problems with this web page might prevent it from being displayed
properly or functioning properly. Line: 91
Char: 1
Error: Syntax Error
Code:0
URL: http://ffdba.com/heading.htm

I get your FFDBA logo and nothing else.
Wayne Gillespie
Gosford NSW Australia

good news ... not!
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #8

Doug Hutcheson

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...

Wayne Gillespie <be*****@NObestfitsoftwareSPAM.com.au> wrote in
news:6p********************************@4ax.com:
On 2 Jun 2004 20:04:03 GMT, Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com>
wrote:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that some
older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The links are
manifested as images are instantiated through Javascript. One of those
conditions might account for their being invisible.

I have never had a problem viewing your site using IE 6, however today -

Problems with this web page might prevent it from being displayed
properly or functioning properly. Line: 91
Char: 1
Error: Syntax Error
Code:0
URL: http://ffdba.com/heading.htm

I get your FFDBA logo and nothing else.
Wayne Gillespie
Gosford NSW Australia

good news ... not!
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Lyle,
I see the same as Wayne.
Were are both in Australia, so maybe the rest of the page fell off the
bottom of the world before it could render...? "8-P
Doug

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Nov 13 '05 #9

David W. Fenton

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that
some older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The
links are manifested as images are instantiated through
Javascript. One of those conditions might account for their being
invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without scripting is
bloody stupid web page design.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #10

David W. Fenton

"Doug Hutcheson" <do*****************@nrm.blot.qld.blot.gov.blot.au >
wrote in news:Mv***************@news.optus.net.au:

I see the same as Wayne.
Were are both in Australia, so maybe the rest of the page fell off
the bottom of the world before it could render...?

I see the same problems as well, but I use a proxy that filters out
Javascript. If I turn that off, I get the same problem -- nothing
but the logo.

Using Javascript for things that can be done without scripting is
shooting yourself in the foot.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #11

Bob Quintal

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Bob Quintal

Nov 13 '05 #12

Lyle Fairfield

Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Oh!

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #13

Lyle Fairfield

Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #14

Tom van Stiphout

On 3 Jun 2004 01:35:43 GMT, Lyle Fairfield
<Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote:

Hear, hear.
-Tom.
<clip>

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

Nov 13 '05 #15

rkc

"Bob Quintal" <bq******@generation.net> wrote in message
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com...

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Bob Quintal

Aren't we special.

Nov 13 '05 #16

Dave

I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
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Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
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"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
> http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their

Outlook Express code in some site with more content.
--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #17

All of you go to your rooms, and DONT come out until you can act like polite
children !

Rob.

PS. Lyle - site worked fine for me...thanks for the code
"rkc" <rk*@yabba.dabba.do.rochester.rr.bomb> wrote in message
news:b4*******************@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

"Bob Quintal" <bq******@generation.net> wrote in message
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com...
"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Bob Quintal

Aren't we special.

Nov 13 '05 #18

David W. Fenton

Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Actually, I would disagree.

Javascript has several useful functions to do things client-side
that can't be done in any other way:

1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The perfect
use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them for the "more
information" links.

2. form validation -- since I believe that you should validate data
as it's entered, it's better to do this client-side, rather than
sending a complete form's data back to the server for validation.

There are other uses.

But populating the user interface is not one of them. Using
Javascript for that is as bad as the increasing practice of using
Flash for navigation.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #19

David W. Fenton

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get
their Outlook Express code in some site with more content.

I'm not surprised that you'd take numerous reports of inability to
view your site as evidence of something wrong with the people
visiting it, rather than as proof that your site is poorly designed.

Of course, I have no interest in Outlook Express code, as I think
it's malpractice for any programmer or consultant to recommend to a
client that Outlook Express be used for anything at all.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #20

Lyle Fairfield

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...
Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:
> "David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
>
>> Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
>> news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>> "Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
>>>
>>>> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
>>>> http://ffdba.com/
>>>
>>> I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
>>> that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
>>> links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
>>> through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
>>> their being invisible.
>>
>> Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
>> scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
>>
> I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
> presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their

Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #21

Lyle Fairfield

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:

"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...
Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

> "David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
>
>> Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
>> news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>> "Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
>>>
>>>> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
>>>> http://ffdba.com/
>>>
>>> I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
>>> that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
>>> links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
>>> through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
>>> their being invisible.
>>
>> Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
>> scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
>>
> I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
> presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their

Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

Due to popular demand we removed the javascript today. Be sure to clear
your cache if you are going to look. But damn!, removing the javascript
didn't increase the amount of the content, nor its quality.
Error reports will be great and fully received!

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #22

Doug Hutcheson

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...
Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

> "David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
>
>> Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
>> news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>> "Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
>>>
>>>> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
>>>> http://ffdba.com/
>>>
>>> I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
>>> that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
>>> links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
>>> through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
>>> their being invisible.
>>
>> Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
>> scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
>>
> I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
> presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their
Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

Due to popular demand we removed the javascript today. Be sure to clear
your cache if you are going to look. But damn!, removing the javascript
didn't increase the amount of the content, nor its quality.
Error reports will be great and fully received!

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Lyle,
It sure added to the content from my perspective, now that I can see it....
<grin>
Doug

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Nov 13 '05 #23

rkc

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...
Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:

> "David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
>
>> Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
>> news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>> "Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
>>>
>>>> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
>>>> http://ffdba.com/
>>>
>>> I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
>>> that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
>>> links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
>>> through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
>>> their being invisible.
>>
>> Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
>> scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
>>
> I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
> presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their
Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

Due to popular demand we removed the javascript today. Be sure to clear
your cache if you are going to look. But damn!, removing the javascript
didn't increase the amount of the content, nor its quality.
Error reports will be great and fully received!

I liked it better the other way, but the vocal minority seems to rule these
days.

Your associates have disappeared.

Nov 13 '05 #24

Bob Quintal

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.86:

Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:
"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:
Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.
I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Actually, I would disagree.

Javascript has several useful functions to do things
client-side that can't be done in any other way:

You are absolutely correct in saying that javascript has uses.
That takes nothing away from my comment. I see an awful lot of
awful javascript doing awfully useless things. I use Opera as my
primary browser, and if I have it report JS errors, I can't go
more than three or four sites before getting a slew of errors.
1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them
for the "more information" links.
Requested popups good. Spam popups bad. And 9 out of every 10
popups I see are not requested.

2. form validation -- since I believe that you should validate
data as it's entered, it's better to do this client-side,
rather than sending a complete form's data back to the server
for validation.
I'll buy this reason.
There are other uses.

But populating the user interface is not one of them. Using
Javascript for that is as bad as the increasing practice of
using Flash for navigation.

Bob Quintal

Nov 13 '05 #25

Lyle Fairfield

Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:5c******************************@news.teranew s.com:

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.86:
Bob Quintal <bq******@generation.net> wrote in
news:c8******************************@news.teranew s.com:
"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74:

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Actually, I would disagree.

Javascript has several useful functions to do things
client-side that can't be done in any other way:

You are absolutely correct in saying that javascript has uses.
That takes nothing away from my comment. I see an awful lot of
awful javascript doing awfully useless things. I use Opera as my
primary browser, and if I have it report JS errors, I can't go
more than three or four sites before getting a slew of errors.

1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them
for the "more information" links.

Requested popups good. Spam popups bad. And 9 out of every 10
popups I see are not requested.

2. form validation -- since I believe that you should validate
data as it's entered, it's better to do this client-side,
rather than sending a complete form's data back to the server
for validation.

I'll buy this reason.

There are other uses.

But populating the user interface is not one of them. Using
Javascript for that is as bad as the increasing practice of
using Flash for navigation.

Perhaps you and David could post the urls of those really great sites you
have created?

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #26

Lyle Fairfield

"rkc" <rk*@yabba.dabba.do.rochester.rr.bomb> wrote in news:3cOvc.119140
$h*******@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

I liked it better the other way, but the vocal minority seems to rule these
days.

In response to your comment I changed portfolio and downloads so they show
in-page.

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

Nov 13 '05 #27

Austin Griswold

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@24.168.1 28.74...

Lyle Fairfield <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in
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"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:
Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that
some older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The
links are manifested as images are instantiated through
Javascript. One of those conditions might account for their being
invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without scripting is
bloody stupid web page design.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #28

Michael $michka$ Kaplan [MS]

Looking at the JScript behind the pages:

<script language=javascript>
<!--
if(navigator.appName=='Microsoft Internet Explorer'){

<snip FLASH code here>

}
else{
document.writeln('<img src=images/ffdba.png>');

}

The people who are seeing a problem probably have a navigator.AppName that
is not "Microsoft Internet Explorer" and are just seeing that .PNG file
(which is all I can see, and I am running the absolute latest version of
IE).
--
MichKa [MS]
NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Development
Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies

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"Dave" <e@mail.co.uk> wrote in
news:c9**********@hercules.btinternet.com:

> Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that
some older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The
links are manifested as images are instantiated through
Javascript. One of those conditions might account for their being
invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without scripting is
bloody stupid web page design.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #29

rkc

"Lyle Fairfield" <Mi************@Invalid.Com> wrote in message
news:Xn*******************@130.133.1.4...

"rkc" <rk*@yabba.dabba.do.rochester.rr.bomb> wrote in news:3cOvc.119140
$h*******@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
I liked it better the other way, but the vocal minority seems to rule these days.

In response to your comment I changed portfolio and downloads so they show
in-page.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but I believe what ever you were doing
before to show the information section in-page was viewable in 800x600.
Now it's necessary to scroll right to see the vertical scroll bar.

Nov 13 '05 #30

David W. Fenton

Chuck Grimsby <c.*******@worldnet.att.net.invalid> wrote in
news:5e********************************@4ax.com:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:20:37 GMT, "David W. Fenton"
<dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote:
Javascript has several useful functions to do things client-side
that can't be done in any other way:
1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them for
the "more information" links.
Pop-up windows where users have to click on something to open the
window does not require javascript. Plain old HTML is all that's
needed.

Can you control the style of the window with windows opened in that
fashion? That is, sizing the window, removing the browser toolbar
and menu, and so forth?
See http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/a.html for
more information, most notably the "TARGET" portion of the tag.

There's nothing mentioned here or in the W3C's documentation
(http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html) about styling
the window with TARGET.

Indeed, it appears from the W3C docmentation that the chief purpose
of TARGET is for use with frames, where window characteristics are
predefined, since the frame is a child window.

Indeed, it appears that the behavior of TARGET is under discussion:

http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-css3-hyperlinks-20040224/

But even there, I see no discussion of positioning or sizing or
removal of browser chrome/toolbars, etc.

Another point is that even if TARGET were to allow the specification
of such attributes, it would not really allow the same kind of
centralization of code that Javascript allows. A single piece of
code could be used to launch all popups, whereas with the TARGET
attribute, you'd have to specify all the other attributes inline,
with each link. Well, I guess you could use CSS for that, but it's
not clear to me that CSS can control all of the attributes that
Javascript can control.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 13 '05 #31

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