Hi all.
Does anyone know what it means when Task Manager "Processes" pane shows 50% or more CPU usage down the bottom, but there's hardly anything in use on the list? Recently I've had a number of cases where the total at the bottom shows maybe 51-52%, but there are only a couple of things ticking over slightly on the list, while "System Idle Process" shows over 90%.
Weird stuff.
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Hi all.
Does anyone know what it means when Task Manager "Processes" pane shows 50% or more CPU usage down the bottom, but there's hardly anything in use on the list? Recently I've had a number of cases where the total at the bottom shows maybe 51-52%, but there are only a couple of things ticking over slightly on the list, while "System Idle Process" shows over 90%.
Weird stuff.
Hey, Killer; would you mind reminding us of your OS and version, please?
Hey, Killer; would you mind reminding us of your OS and version, please?
Whoops! I should know better by now. :o
Windows XP Professional. Version 2002. Service Pack 1.
It's my work PC so I don't have complete control. My first thought was that there's something running that I'm not allowed to see - boss spying or something, perhaps. But in that case, wouldn't I expect to see some CPU not accounted for? I seem to have CPU being used by absolutely nothing.
Whoops! I should know better by now. :o
Windows XP Professional. Version 2002. Service Pack 1.
It's my work PC so I don't have complete control. My first thought was that there's something running that I'm not allowed to see - boss spying or something, perhaps. But in that case, wouldn't I expect to see some CPU not accounted for? I seem to have CPU being used by absolutely nothing.
It's weird, alright. The only things I can think of (as you say, you may not have permission, but) there's the check box at the bottom "Show processes from all users" and an option in the Options menu "Show 16 bit tasks". But I'm betting that you have already checked these....
It's weird, alright. The only things I can think of (as you say, you may not have permission, but) there's the check box at the bottom "Show processes from all users" and an option in the Options menu "Show 16 bit tasks". But I'm betting that you have already checked these....
Never mind all that. Banfa gave a link the other day to M$'s Process Explorer. It's very cool. I haven't checked out Process Monitor yet.
There is no installation needed on the first one. Just run it.
It's weird, alright. The only things I can think of (as you say, you may not have permission, but) there's the check box at the bottom "Show processes from all users" and an option in the Options menu "Show 16 bit tasks". But I'm betting that you have already checked these....
I certainly do at home. Will have to check at work in the morning. I've got a sneaking suspicion that they are hidden. I know a number of options are.
What I want to know, is how to re-enable them. I can play in the registry, but I'm not willing to unless I know what to do ahead of time - very nervous about touching the good ol' registry.
As for the links, thanks - I'll check them out.
before you do anything, would it not be a good idea to get service pack 2 on your machine?
If you go to the Processes tab and click "Show processes from all users" you should see 'everything' running on your machine. Process Explorer is a good tool to, with many other fun uses.
One other thing to take into consideration, when task manager starts, you will see a processor usage spike. It is the same with most applications. If you have worries about it, take a look at your performance graphs, or order your Processes tab by CPU usage.
If you go to the Processes tab and click "Show processes from all users" you should see 'everything' running on your machine. Process Explorer is a good tool to, with many other fun uses.
One other thing to take into consideration, when task manager starts, you will see a processor usage spike. It is the same with most applications. If you have worries about it, take a look at your performance graphs, or order your Processes tab by CPU usage.
Yeah, I've always seen a bit of a spike when starting it, just assumed it was the work involved in getting it up and running.
What I don't get is that as far as I can tell, the full 100% is accounted for. If I could only see 49% of the cpu being used, then I'd know it was hiding something. But typically the idle process shows 98% or whatever.
I'm off work today, will have to check my settings Thursday morning.
before you do anything, would it not be a good idea to get service pack 2 on your machine?
Work PC, one of thousands. Not my call.
Hi all.
Does anyone know what it means when Task Manager "Processes" pane shows 50% or more CPU usage down the bottom, but there's hardly anything in use on the list? Recently I've had a number of cases where the total at the bottom shows maybe 51-52%, but there are only a couple of things ticking over slightly on the list, while "System Idle Process" shows over 90%.
Weird stuff.
I think I know what you mean. It always happens on my computer, here is a screenshot of it happening now, to make sure this is what you mean. Screenshot Link
I always assumed it meant for example in that picture, "System Idle Process is using 97% out of the 4% of the CPU currently being used"... meaning that all other processes together are using about 0.012% of the CPU.
I think I know what you mean. It always happens on my computer, here is a screenshot of it happening now, to make sure this is what you mean. Screenshot Link
I always assumed it meant for example in that picture, "System Idle Process is using 97% out of the 4% of the CPU currently being used"... meaning that all other processes together are using about 0.012% of the CPU.
Process Explorer will break it down to the .01% per task for you.
I notice that Task manager is scrolled off the screen and can take 4% of the CPU (all these are out of 100%).
You are reading this wrong; the System Idle Process is not actually a process at all...If you add up the System Idle Process CPU Usage and the CPU Usage at the bottom of the screen, you will get 100% (with rounding errors), ALWAYS. Think of he System Idle Process as the CPU cycles you have left over.
I think I know what you mean. It always happens on my computer, here is a screenshot of it happening now, to make sure this is what you mean. Screenshot Link
I always assumed it meant for example in that picture, "System Idle Process is using 97% out of the 4% of the CPU currently being used"... meaning that all other processes together are using about 0.012% of the CPU.
You are reading this wrong; the System Idle Process is not actually a process at all...If you add up the System Idle Process CPU Usage and the CPU Usage at the bottom of the screen, you will get 100% (with rounding errors), ALWAYS. Think of he System Idle Process as the CPU cycles you have left over.
Yes, I was reading about this not too long ago. It's basically the process which does things in the background when the processor is idle, like turning things down to save power.
The way you describe it is pretty much the way I understood it, too. However, I can guarantee that the "ALWAYS" is not correct. Because I have recently seen many examples where they added up to somewhere around 150%. That's what this thread was about.
Process Explorer will break it down to the .01% per task for you.
I notice that Task manager is scrolled off the screen and can take 4% of the CPU (all these are out of 100%).
I'll have to have a look when I get home - can't open the link at work.
The way you describe it is pretty much the way I understood it, too. However, I can guarantee that the "ALWAYS" is not correct. Because I have recently seen many examples where they added up to somewhere around 150%. That's what this thread was about.
Consistently? Or for brief periods? If you have a lot happening on your computer, then the System Idle Process numbers will be slower to catch up.
Yes, I was reading about this not too long ago. It's basically the process which does things in the background when the processor is idle, like turning things down to save power.
The way you describe it is pretty much the way I understood it, too. However, I can guarantee that the "ALWAYS" is not correct. Because I have recently seen many examples where they added up to somewhere around 150%. That's what this thread was about.
Hey, Killer. I think that you may have missed the fact that Robbie jumped in on this tread. Some replies were to him.
I think you nailed it when you said spy stuff (hope not though)... Try taking a look at spectorsoft.com I have a teen and this runs in the background, as much as I know about P.C.s I wouldn't know it was there except that I installed it and like you said the processor is humming along taking snapshots of the desktop copying keystrokes etc.
spectorsoft.com excellent tool for a nazi admin =)
Hey, Killer. I think that you may have missed the fact that Robbie jumped in on this tread. Some replies were to him.
No, I was aware of that. I'm just a blabbermouth - can't help myself. :)
before you do anything, would it not be a good idea to get service pack 2 on your machine?
Good idea, Service Pack 1 is no longer secure. Load Service Pack 2.
CAUTION: Back up your system before you do this (I mean it). Windows Update will tell you to do so but only half way through the download of Service Pack 2. By that time you would have downloaded for 10 minutes tops already. Not fun.
Going forward, not certain this is would solve the problem at hand, neither am I sure why you're having this problem. It gets pretty critical when your processes show 90/100%. When in doubt however, and I this may be late in coming, reboot your system, even forcefully. That's seems to take care of most machine problems:-)
Good idea, Service Pack 1 is no longer secure. Load Service Pack 2.
To quote myself (earlier message in the thread)... Work PC, one of thousands. Not my call.
...
Going forward, not certain this is would solve the problem at hand, neither am I sure why you're having this problem. It gets pretty critical when your processes show 90/100%. When in doubt however, and I this may be late in coming, reboot your system, even forcefully. That's seems to take care of most machine problems:-)
What I have isn't actually a problem - merely a curiosity. It wasn't worth a reboot, and only seems to show up occasionally.
To quote myself (earlier message in the thread)... Work PC, one of thousands. Not my call.
Well since it is work, they'll be happy to hear you want to help out. Clone the Service Pack 1 machine, if you can, with permission, then run Windows Updates to grab Service pack 2. As for "System Idle Process" shows over 90%, it is pretty normal, your machine is running, that's all. You can worry when nothing else is open and Task Manager tells you something is in fact running, even at 4 to 51%. Adobe Reader 8 for example is a big problem with IE7, watch out for that one.
Well since it is work, they'll be happy to hear you want to help out. Clone the Service Pack 1 machine, if you can, with permission, then run Windows Updates to grab Service pack 2. As for "System Idle Process" shows over 90%, it is pretty normal, your machine is running, that's all. You can worry when nothing else is open and Task Manager tells you something is in fact running, even at 4 to 51%. Adobe Reader 8 for example is a big problem with IE7, watch out for that one.
This one's really not worth worrying about, I was just a bit curious.
The 90%+ on the idle process doesn't both me - I love to see that. What does bother me a little is when Idel proces shows 98%, and CPU usage at the bottom shows 54%. Just seems a trifle odd, don't you think?
This one's really not worth worrying about, I was just a bit curious.
The 90%+ on the idle process doesn't both me - I love to see that. What does bother me a little is when Idel proces shows 98%, and CPU usage at the bottom shows 54%. Just seems a trifle odd, don't you think?
Oh, it's odd alright..And I am glad you find it amusing:-) Still, I think you're ok. For instance, and you don't seem to have the time to fiddle through stuff like this:
(1) But if you to close everything else you ahve running
(2) Load this web site, then bring up your task manager
(3) Scroll down to your 98% mark
(4) Keep an yer on your CPU usage
(5) Notice it fluctuates 2% to almost 8 or 12%
(6) Move your mouse, in this case, I used my scroll bar on this site
(7) CPU read 70% even up to 80% for me
For the life of me I do not why a simple mouse movement uses up so much. But I did not build this thing, know what I mean!
My guess is if you have anything else running, and CPU is going wild, soemthing is definitely up and working behind the scenes.
This one's really not worth worrying about, I was just a bit curious.
The 90%+ on the idle process doesn't both me - I love to see that. What does bother me a little is when Idel proces shows 98%, and CPU usage at the bottom shows 54%. Just seems a trifle odd, don't you think?
I just found this thread thru Google and have the same problem(?) you describe. In a nutshell, it seems the task manager is unresponsive to actual system usage. I have installed another processor usage program and it confirms my system is running properly. Did anyone come up with any ideas about this?
I just found this thread thru Google and have the same problem(?) you describe. In a nutshell, it seems the task manager is unresponsive to actual system usage. I have installed another processor usage program and it confirms my system is running properly. Did anyone come up with any ideas about this?
If you didn't get Process Explorer, I highly recommend it. It's free and will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about what software is running on you machine.
Good luck.
If you didn't get Process Explorer, I highly recommend it. It's free and will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about what software is running on you machine.
Good luck.
I did get Process Explorer and you are right, it is an excellent program. And it seems to show everything is as it should be. I am just curious about why task manager is misbehaving in this way and slightly concerned that this might be an indication of other problems. Btw it's an Intel Core 2 Duo processor...
I did get Process Explorer and you are right, it is an excellent program. And it seems to show everything is as it should be. I am just curious about why task manager is misbehaving in this way and slightly concerned that this might be an indication of other problems. Btw it's an Intel Core 2 Duo processor...
Actually, it's not hard to trace the source of the bug in Task Manager. If you pull down the Help menu, then select About Task Manager, about half-way down the subsequent dialogue box you'll see a string "Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corporation". Bingo!
By the way, though this is still merely a minor nuisance, I have noticed it seems to happen when I am burning something to DVD. Um... I think this was using Roxio CD & DVD Creator, though it may also apply to the associated Drag-to-disc product.
Actually, it's not hard to trace the source of the bug in Task Manager. If you pull down the Help menu, then select About Task Manager, about half-way down the subsequent dialogue box you'll see a string "Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corporation". Bingo!
ROFL, isn't this the root of all evil?
[clip] ...about half-way down the subsequent dialogue box you'll see a string "Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corporation". Bingo!
Crap. You're right. I just checked and I have the same problem. heh.. Hey, remember that video a few years back that showed someone hitting Gates right in the face with a pie. Makes me feel warm all over.
Back to the Task Manager issue...I just noticed that if I double-click on the CPU usage graph it displays a larger window with the graphs. The strange thing is this action seems to reset the graph to the current system info (cpu usage), and when I go back to the normal TM window, that info has also been updated. Now if I do this repeatedly it actually starts to build the usage over time charts to the right.
What really sucks about this is I just re-installed the opsys and have been tweaking if for a couple of weeks now. I was just about to back up the disk image as my 'good to go' back up. Now I have my doubts... damn you Bill Gates for my wasted life in front of this machine! Well...that may be a bit exagerated, but I am annoyed.
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