An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Nov 21 '06
97  5403 
Sounds like the definition of success to me. Being flexible
enough to handle whatever comes along in order to stay gainfully
employed is great, but actually enjoying the challenge of
learning new things is a great quality in a programmer.
Go Henry!
Have a nice day!
Robin S.
(Another successful VB.Net programmer)
-----------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>A successful VB.NET programmer.
I guess it depends upon how you define success. If you successfully
like to learn over and over again how to do the same fucking things but
in different ways then carry on using .net, you will be very
successful.
The Grand Master
Henry Jones wrote:
>The best thing you can do "Master Programmer" is the following:
1. Boot Computer
2. Get to a DOS prompt
3. Enter: Format C:
4. Take computer to bathroom.
5. Fill the tub
6. Throw computer in
7. Go play in the sandbox
A successful VB.NET programmer.
Have a nice day.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googleg roups.com...
Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current
versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
Spells unnessesary regurgitation to me.
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
Sounds like the definition of success to me. Being flexible
enough to handle whatever comes along in order to stay gainfully
employed is great, but actually enjoying the challenge of
learning new things is a great quality in a programmer.
Go Henry!
Have a nice day!
Robin S.
(Another successful VB.Net programmer)
-----------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
A successful VB.NET programmer.
I guess it depends upon how you define success. If you successfully
like to learn over and over again how to do the same fucking things but
in different ways then carry on using .net, you will be very
successful.
The Grand Master
Henry Jones wrote:
The best thing you can do "Master Programmer" is the following:
1. Boot Computer
2. Get to a DOS prompt
3. Enter: Format C:
4. Take computer to bathroom.
5. Fill the tub
6. Throw computer in
7. Go play in the sandbox
A successful VB.NET programmer.
Have a nice day.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current
versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
Robin
I think that Aaaron is making a valuable contribution here. Its good
for new programmers to be able to read threads like this one so that
they can make an educated decision before learning / choosing a new
language. They need to be able to understand the flaws and misgiving
of the current VB product (which actualy isn't real VB actually but a
very poor quality imitator).
If we can help just a few new programmers to understanding the truth
(that VB is not longer good - and will be discontined soon), then I
don't mind spending a little time advising and helping them. When I
learned to program I relied upon news groups to help me, so I think
that its only fair to help new programmers now myself. We need to
point them in the right directon (away from Microsoft Visual Basic -
because it's no longer any use)
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
Why don't you do that then, and move your abusive self out of
this newsgroup? You're acting worse than the company you
continue to deride to a bunch of people who are just trying
to get a little help getting their jobs done.
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Tim
Master is RIGHT
Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for all
of us to move to PHP
-Aaron
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Yeah man, I hear you. MS are like greedy little fucking land stealing
jew boys, only interested in themselves. If they had any sence they
would have kept hold of the millions of VB customers they had - now
they have shit in thier own pants.
The Grand Master aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I can out develop ANY vb.net programmer using Microsoft Access.
by a factor of probably 2:1
when is vb.net going to be competitive???
when is vb.net going to offer clientside scripting capabilities for the
internet?
I DONT WANT TO LEARN 9 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES: I ONLY WANT TO USE THE
LANGUAGE WE ALL LOVE
What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft
DTS, Outlook Macros, Excel Macros, Access Macros, Word Macros, Windows
Script Host.
can VB.net do _ANY_ of those activities?
Call me when it can; as it is; vb.net is LESS POWERFUL than vb6.
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Ha ha
Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !
Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.
The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!
Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.
MS can lick my ass.
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I mean seriously.
>
If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?
>
advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?
>
I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.
>
does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?
>
ROFL
>
what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.
>
Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?
>
I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
exactly
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
>
The Grand Master
MVPX
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master
Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio
Magazine in its January 2005 issue.
If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from
the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's
single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In
the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET,
is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and
power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward"
in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article.
I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic
such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore
the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants
who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen
by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the
brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among
other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he
designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly
at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic.
I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so
long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison
2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and
so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project
for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications
comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the
Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways
to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought
out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in
the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how
Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've
given me a powerful new tool.
One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I
could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long
and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements,
and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a
keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties
using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence).
And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will
be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will
buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer
programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone
can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career
in the food services business.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft
did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
>Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve
Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm
surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them.
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio
Magazine in its January 2005 issue.
If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from
the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's
single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In
the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET,
is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and
power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward"
in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article.
I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic
such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore
the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants
who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen
by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the
brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among
other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he
designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly
at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic.
I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so
long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison
2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and
so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project
for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications
comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the
Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways
to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought
out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in
the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how
Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've
given me a powerful new tool.
One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I
could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long
and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements,
and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a
keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties
using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence).
And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will
be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will
buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer
programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone
can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career
in the food services business.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft
did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve
Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm
surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
In the food industry recipies don't become obsolete overnight because a
publisher prints a new recipe book. You don't have to throw away all of
your knives because the blades all of a sudden become rusty overnight.
You seem very excited that VB must constantly be discontined and
changed without backwards compatibility. But I guess that allows you
to sell more books.
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio
Magazine in its January 2005 issue.
If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from
the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's
single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In
the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET,
is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and
power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward"
in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article.
I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic
such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore
the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants
who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen
by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the
brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among
other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he
designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly
at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic.
I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so
long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison
2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and
so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project
for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications
comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the
Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways
to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought
out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in
the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how
Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've
given me a powerful new tool.
One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I
could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long
and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements,
and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a
keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties
using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence).
And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will
be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will
buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer
programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone
can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career
in the food services business.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft
did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve
Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm
surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
I concur. I have recently pursuading some clients to port overcomplex
apps back to MS Access. Using a file based system as an RDBMS has some
distinc advantages. There is a lot of bullshit MS are putting about
concerning Access. I think its plenty robust for most network based
applications. Usualy its just some prick that wants to sell lots of
boring SQL Server books - spouting off drivel about how Access isnt
scalable.
The Grand Master aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I can out develop ANY vb.net programmer using Microsoft Access.
by a factor of probably 2:1
when is vb.net going to be competitive???
when is vb.net going to offer clientside scripting capabilities for the
internet?
I DONT WANT TO LEARN 9 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES: I ONLY WANT TO USE THE
LANGUAGE WE ALL LOVE
What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft
DTS, Outlook Macros, Excel Macros, Access Macros, Word Macros, Windows
Script Host.
can VB.net do _ANY_ of those activities?
Call me when it can; as it is; vb.net is LESS POWERFUL than vb6.
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Ha ha
Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !
Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.
The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!
Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.
MS can lick my ass.
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I mean seriously.
>
If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?
>
advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?
>
I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.
>
does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?
>
ROFL
>
what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.
>
Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?
>
I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
exactly
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
>
The Grand Master
MVPX
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comschrieb:
Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them.
Well, this is really off-topic here, isn't it?
--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>
I'd love to see Microsoft give that a shot.
PHP is by far the worlds most popular language these days. www.netcraft.com
Microsoft doesn't have the mental capacity to build a decent IDE for
either ASP.net or ASP Classic.
What makes you think that they could just instantly come up with an IDE
that is BETTER than dreamweaver; and it supports PHP?
Microsoft doesn't hire enough english-speaking people to get anything
done anymore.
That's the real fucking problem here; they hire a bunch of ragheads and
sandniggers and then they wonder why they have problems meeting
deadlines.
BECAUSE THEY DONT TAKE THEIR CORE CONSTITUENCY SERIOUSLY.
Why in the fuck are they developing XBox and 9 different flavors of
Sharepoint when they can't bother to come up with a _REAL_ VISUAL BASIC
MARKETING MESSAGE?
Why can't they just give us a VB.COM IDE? a new one that will have
tools for testing VBS for example?
I should be able to have a fuckign wizard that takes VB6/VBA Code and
translates it into VBS code.
I should be able to still use VBS on the clientside for DHTML
solutions.
Microsoft should be moving to do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to get the
other web browsers of the world to support clientside vbScript.
Microsoft should be moving to do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to get the
other web browsers of the world to support clientside vbScript.
Microsoft should be moving to do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to get the
other web browsers of the world to support clientside vbScript.
Microsoft should be moving to do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to get the
other web browsers of the world to support clientside vbScript.
Microsoft should be moving to do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to get the
other web browsers of the world to support clientside vbScript.
What would it take a couple million dollars to firefox and a copy of
Visual Basic for Applications? They've made more than that much money
in the 4 minutes that it took me to type this usenet posting
ROFL
why don't we still have a CONSISTENT MARKETING MESSAGE?
I just used to be able to use ONE LANGUAGE for everything from batch
files to clientside DHTML to serverside ASP to Excel Macros and DTS /
ETL-- anything else in between.
Now; I need 3 languages to do the same thign.
Eat shit Microsoft, give us our old VB _BACK_
RobinS wrote:
Well, I'm enjoying your book, so I'm glad to know I'll
have another one to look forward to in the future.
But don't forget -- by 2011, PHP will be replaced
by something newer and better. I heard a rumor that
Microsoft was going to take over PHP and DotNet-i-cize
it. I'm sure that'll make some people happy. ;-)
Robin S.
-----------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...
Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the
outline for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new
chapters on the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins!
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the
finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and
Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but probably very true)
The Grand Master
Let's see now, I have been consulting for a few years now with those VB
languages nobody takes seriously, and get paid over $100K a year to do so.
The clients take the results seriously, I take their checks seriously,
Microsoft pours millions into development. Oh yea, it all must be a joke.
Master Programmer must be in la-la land! Go figure.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is,
in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages
seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a
laughingstock.
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
>LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Henry
yeah.. I do also.. doesn't mean that Microsoft is committed to the
language.
I can out-develop you using an IDE called 'Microsoft Access'
VB.net is WAYYYYYY too slow to be practical; both in developer /
runtime responsiveness; in unnecessary 'architecture changes' that
Microsoft dictated upon us.
Microsoft is somehow missing the keyword in the title 'Visual Basic'
digging through code that is twice as verbose is not visual; and diving
through all of this UNWANTED, UNNECESSARY crap is not _BASIC_
I can out develop you VB.net fucknuts with my eyes closed.
SQL Server Driven Access Data Projects.
Or with Dreamweaver; and with DW im not limited to a single language
lol
-Aaron
Henry Jones wrote:
Let's see now, I have been consulting for a few years now with those VB
languages nobody takes seriously, and get paid over $100K a year to do so.
The clients take the results seriously, I take their checks seriously,
Microsoft pours millions into development. Oh yea, it all must be a joke.
Master Programmer must be in la-la land! Go figure.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is,
in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages
seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a
laughingstock.
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
But you see, that's 2 opinions one way, and hundreds of opinions
the other way. None of the rest of us agree with you. The
thousands of VB.Net programmers around the world don't agree
with you. Thousands of companies that are implementing .Net
don't agree with you. I know you don't want to consider it,
but maybe you're wrong.
And even if you're not, it doesn't do you any good to be bitter;
there's nothing you can do to change it. You can continue to be
angry and not do .Net, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean
that's the right thing for everybody else in the universe.
I'll give you one point for this -- Aaron's language and
abuse completely overshadow any message or opinion he may
offer. All people see is the language and abuse, and it
immediately negates anything he has to say. At least
you're not abusive, and you don't use profanity (or not
that I've noticed as of yet).
Robin S.
------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Robin
I think that Aaaron is making a valuable contribution here. Its good
for new programmers to be able to read threads like this one so that
they can make an educated decision before learning / choosing a new
language. They need to be able to understand the flaws and misgiving
of the current VB product (which actualy isn't real VB actually but a
very poor quality imitator).
If we can help just a few new programmers to understanding the truth
(that VB is not longer good - and will be discontined soon), then I
don't mind spending a little time advising and helping them. When I
learned to program I relied upon news groups to help me, so I think
that its only fair to help new programmers now myself. We need to
point them in the right directon (away from Microsoft Visual Basic -
because it's no longer any use)
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
>Why don't you do that then, and move your abusive self out of
this newsgroup? You're acting worse than the company you
continue to deride to a bunch of people who are just trying
to get a little help getting their jobs done.
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
Tim
Master is RIGHT
Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for all
of us to move to PHP
-Aaron
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
But you see, we care if Microsoft is committed to the language,
but it won't break us if they aren't. Our goal is to remain
profitable. If, in order to do that, I have to learn yet
another programming language, I'm okay with that. It's part
of the landscape of being a developer. I may not always like
it, but I can roll with it.
Robin S.
--------------------------
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Henry
yeah.. I do also.. doesn't mean that Microsoft is committed to the
language.
I can out-develop you using an IDE called 'Microsoft Access'
VB.net is WAYYYYYY too slow to be practical; both in developer /
runtime responsiveness; in unnecessary 'architecture changes' that
Microsoft dictated upon us.
Microsoft is somehow missing the keyword in the title 'Visual Basic'
digging through code that is twice as verbose is not visual; and diving
through all of this UNWANTED, UNNECESSARY crap is not _BASIC_
I can out develop you VB.net fucknuts with my eyes closed.
SQL Server Driven Access Data Projects.
Or with Dreamweaver; and with DW im not limited to a single language
lol
-Aaron
Henry Jones wrote:
>Let's see now, I have been consulting for a few years now with those VB
languages nobody takes seriously, and get paid over $100K a year to do
so.
The clients take the results seriously, I take their checks seriously,
Microsoft pours millions into development. Oh yea, it all must be a
joke.
Master Programmer must be in la-la land! Go figure.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is,
in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages
seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a
laughingstock.
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't
be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but
probably very true)
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at
least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But
perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe
it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Ooooh, there's a threat. One less taco for Tim.
Robin S.
-------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them.
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
>Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote
isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual
Studio
Magazine in its January 2005 issue.
If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from
the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual
Basic's
single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In
the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with
.NET,
is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and
power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step
forward"
in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article.
I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic
such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely
ignore
the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its
adherants
who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was
seen
by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the
brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for
(among
other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system
he
designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly
at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic.
I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so
long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since
verison
2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and
so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion
project
for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate
applications
comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the
Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways
to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought
out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in
the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how
Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've
given me a powerful new tool.
One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I
could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as
long
and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString()
statements,
and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a
keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control
properties
using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the
sequence).
And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it
will
be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will
buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write
computer
programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that
anyone
can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career
in the food services business.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft
did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve
Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm
surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Ah, but recipes do get improved with new cooking tools, and
knives do get old and dull and have to be replaced with new
ones that work better.
I think people writing books are trying to help the rest of
us figure out how to apply all the information in MSDN; I'm
not sure it's the cash cow you're implying. Sure, for Danielle
Steele or Nora Roberts who sell millions and millions, it is,
but for a tech book that sells thousands? It probably brings
in some income, but I doubt it's enough to buy hundreds of
shares of Google stock.
Have a nice day. Really.
Robin S.
---------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
In the food industry recipies don't become obsolete overnight because a
publisher prints a new recipe book. You don't have to throw away all of
your knives because the blades all of a sudden become rusty overnight.
You seem very excited that VB must constantly be discontined and
changed without backwards compatibility. But I guess that allows you
to sell more books.
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
>Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote
isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual
Studio
Magazine in its January 2005 issue.
If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from
the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual
Basic's
single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In
the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with
.NET,
is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and
power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step
forward"
in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article.
I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic
such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely
ignore
the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its
adherants
who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was
seen
by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the
brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for
(among
other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system
he
designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly
at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic.
I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so
long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since
verison
2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and
so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion
project
for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate
applications
comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the
Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways
to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought
out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in
the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how
Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've
given me a powerful new tool.
One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I
could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as
long
and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString()
statements,
and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a
keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control
properties
using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the
sequence).
And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it
will
be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will
buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write
computer
programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that
anyone
can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career
in the food services business.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason
not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be
shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue
it....
Tims Quote
***************
"Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft
did
was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make
clear to the world that the language itself had changed...."
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve
Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm
surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
You shouldn't lower yourself to Aaron's level. The profanity
overshadows your message, and when you start using racism
and bigotry, nobody is going to listen to you. It's completely
inappropriate in any setting.
Robin S.
-----------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
Yeah man, I hear you. MS are like greedy little fucking land stealing
jew boys, only interested in themselves. If they had any sence they
would have kept hold of the millions of VB customers they had - now
they have shit in thier own pants.
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
>I can out develop ANY vb.net programmer using Microsoft Access.
by a factor of probably 2:1
when is vb.net going to be competitive???
when is vb.net going to offer clientside scripting capabilities for the
internet?
I DONT WANT TO LEARN 9 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES: I ONLY WANT TO USE THE
LANGUAGE WE ALL LOVE
What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft
DTS, Outlook Macros, Excel Macros, Access Macros, Word Macros, Windows
Script Host.
can VB.net do _ANY_ of those activities?
Call me when it can; as it is; vb.net is LESS POWERFUL than vb6.
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Ha ha
Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !
Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.
The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!
Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.
MS can lick my ass.
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I mean seriously.
If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?
advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?
I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.
does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?
ROFL
what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.
Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?
I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT
-Aaron
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
exactly
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a
replacement
for this?
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I
mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch
of
C++ fags.
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat
balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and
MOVEON.org
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new
VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned
every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
>
The Grand Master
MVPX
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most
powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about
it
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I
believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master
Robin
shove it up your ass, bitch
VB.net is dead; it's been discontinued.
They're supposed to make an announcement any day now.
-Aaron
RobinS wrote:
But you see, that's 2 opinions one way, and hundreds of opinions
the other way. None of the rest of us agree with you. The
thousands of VB.Net programmers around the world don't agree
with you. Thousands of companies that are implementing .Net
don't agree with you. I know you don't want to consider it,
but maybe you're wrong.
And even if you're not, it doesn't do you any good to be bitter;
there's nothing you can do to change it. You can continue to be
angry and not do .Net, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean
that's the right thing for everybody else in the universe.
I'll give you one point for this -- Aaron's language and
abuse completely overshadow any message or opinion he may
offer. All people see is the language and abuse, and it
immediately negates anything he has to say. At least
you're not abusive, and you don't use profanity (or not
that I've noticed as of yet).
Robin S.
------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Robin
I think that Aaaron is making a valuable contribution here. Its good
for new programmers to be able to read threads like this one so that
they can make an educated decision before learning / choosing a new
language. They need to be able to understand the flaws and misgiving
of the current VB product (which actualy isn't real VB actually but a
very poor quality imitator).
If we can help just a few new programmers to understanding the truth
(that VB is not longer good - and will be discontined soon), then I
don't mind spending a little time advising and helping them. When I
learned to program I relied upon news groups to help me, so I think
that its only fair to help new programmers now myself. We need to
point them in the right directon (away from Microsoft Visual Basic -
because it's no longer any use)
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
Why don't you do that then, and move your abusive self out of
this newsgroup? You're acting worse than the company you
continue to deride to a bunch of people who are just trying
to get a little help getting their jobs done.
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Tim
Master is RIGHT
Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for all
of us to move to PHP
-Aaron
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
On the first point: No thanks.
On the second: They are not going to kill VB.Net.
And if they did, I'd just go work on something else,
like C#. Whining about my circumstances is rarely
profitable.
Robin S.
-----------------
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
Robin
shove it up your ass, bitch
VB.net is dead; it's been discontinued.
They're supposed to make an announcement any day now.
-Aaron
RobinS wrote:
>But you see, that's 2 opinions one way, and hundreds of opinions
the other way. None of the rest of us agree with you. The
thousands of VB.Net programmers around the world don't agree
with you. Thousands of companies that are implementing .Net
don't agree with you. I know you don't want to consider it,
but maybe you're wrong.
And even if you're not, it doesn't do you any good to be bitter;
there's nothing you can do to change it. You can continue to be
angry and not do .Net, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean
that's the right thing for everybody else in the universe.
I'll give you one point for this -- Aaron's language and
abuse completely overshadow any message or opinion he may
offer. All people see is the language and abuse, and it
immediately negates anything he has to say. At least
you're not abusive, and you don't use profanity (or not
that I've noticed as of yet).
Robin S.
------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@f16g2000cwb.googleg roups.com...
Robin
I think that Aaaron is making a valuable contribution here. Its good
for new programmers to be able to read threads like this one so that
they can make an educated decision before learning / choosing a new
language. They need to be able to understand the flaws and misgiving
of the current VB product (which actualy isn't real VB actually but a
very poor quality imitator).
If we can help just a few new programmers to understanding the truth
(that VB is not longer good - and will be discontined soon), then I
don't mind spending a little time advising and helping them. When I
learned to program I relied upon news groups to help me, so I think
that its only fair to help new programmers now myself. We need to
point them in the right directon (away from Microsoft Visual Basic -
because it's no longer any use)
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
Why don't you do that then, and move your abusive self out of
this newsgroup? You're acting worse than the company you
continue to deride to a bunch of people who are just trying
to get a little help getting their jobs done.
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
Tim
Master is RIGHT
Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for
all
of us to move to PHP
-Aaron
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at
least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But
perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe
it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
I am not a racist, I am a realist. Do you think that the palestinians
GAVE them that land?
The Grand Master
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah man, I hear you. MS are like greedy little fucking land stealing
jew boys, only interested in themselves. If they had any sence they
would have kept hold of the millions of VB customers they had - now
they have shit in thier own pants.
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I can out develop ANY vb.net programmer using Microsoft Access.
by a factor of probably 2:1
when is vb.net going to be competitive???
when is vb.net going to offer clientside scripting capabilities for the
internet?
I DONT WANT TO LEARN 9 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES: I ONLY WANT TO USE THE
LANGUAGE WE ALL LOVE
What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft
DTS, Outlook Macros, Excel Macros, Access Macros, Word Macros, Windows
Script Host.
can VB.net do _ANY_ of those activities?
Call me when it can; as it is; vb.net is LESS POWERFUL than vb6.
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
Ha ha
>
Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !
>
Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.
>
The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!
>
Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.
>
MS can lick my ass.
>
The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
I mean seriously.
If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?
advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?
I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.
does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?
ROFL
what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.
Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?
I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT
-Aaron
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
exactly
>
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
>
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?
>
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
>
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
>
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.
>
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
>
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
>
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
The Grand Master
MVPX
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
>
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
>
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
I don'y give a fuck if you earn 100,000 Nigerian dollars a year.
Mention .NET to a real customer and you will probably be escorted from
the building by a sniggering junior.
Wake up, people don't want this garbage, the want the **real vb** back.
The one they know and trust. Not the latest MS shite that is churned
out and changed every few minutes. Companies want security and
reliability - NOT stupid unneeded bullshit features. MS have totally
lost it and everyones vote of confidence. Too much hype and hot air
have backfired on them finally.
The Grand Master
Henry Jones wrote:
Let's see now, I have been consulting for a few years now with those VB
languages nobody takes seriously, and get paid over $100K a year to do so.
The clients take the results seriously, I take their checks seriously,
Microsoft pours millions into development. Oh yea, it all must be a joke.
Master Programmer must be in la-la land! Go figure.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is,
in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages
seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a
laughingstock.
The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least
some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps
my
expectations
are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
The Master
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
You wil be the one crying when vb dissapears from VS. Don't say
knowone told you so.
The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
MICROSOFT ROADMAP FOR VB
*******************************************
Dim VB As System.Language.Different
Public Sub ScrewCustomers()
Try
' Try to sell VB.NET to existing VB users
Catch ex As Exception
' No-one buys it because its garbage
Finaly
' Drop language from VS
VB.Dispose()
End Try
End Sub
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the outline
for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on
the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins!
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the
finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and
Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but probably very true)
The Grand Master
hey I've already shed that tear.
my friend that works at Microsoft told me that they're going to do it
any day now.. make the announcement.
i just hope you kids have a good backup plan
I do PHP because MS can lick my balls.
They're never going to kill my favorite programming language again.
-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:
You wil be the one crying when vb dissapears from VS. Don't say
knowone told you so.
The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
That's clever, although I don't agree with you.
Robin S.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
MICROSOFT ROADMAP FOR VB
*******************************************
Dim VB As System.Language.Different
Public Sub ScrewCustomers()
Try
' Try to sell VB.NET to existing VB users
Catch ex As Exception
' No-one buys it because its garbage
Finaly
' Drop language from VS
VB.Dispose()
End Try
End Sub
The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:
>Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the
outline
for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on
the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins!
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the
finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and
Tim will write another book! Haha!
Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....
"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but probably very true)
The Grand Master
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
>Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
Does anyone have a "Holy hand granade of Antioch" to solve the problem?
;-)
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!!
Mike.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language".
Close, though. :-D
Robin S.
----------------------------
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospamwrote in message
news:kA*****************@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!!
Mike.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current
versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
This is as true as pigs can fly
"HKSHK" wrote:
Does anyone have a "Holy hand granade of Antioch" to solve the problem?
;-)
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
Robin,
I assume he's not using Option Explicit On or Option Strict On. The VB
compiler would let his crap through. No "master" programmer would work
without these two settings except in very short and well documented source
files.
Mike.
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:SJ******************************@comcast.com. ..
Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language".
Close, though. :-D
Robin S.
----------------------------
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospamwrote in message
news:kA*****************@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!!
Mike.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current
versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
Good point.
Robin S. :-D
------------------------------------------
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospamwrote in message
news:A0*****************@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
Robin,
I assume he's not using Option Explicit On or Option Strict On. The VB
compiler would let his crap through. No "master" programmer would work
without these two settings except in very short and well documented source
files.
Mike.
"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:SJ******************************@comcast.com. ..
>Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language".
Close, though. :-D
Robin S.
----------------------------
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospamwrote in message
news:kA*****************@newsread4.news.pas.earth link.net...
Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!!
Mike.
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
.................
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current
versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
listen fucker just because microsoft graces us with a namespace in the
cloud in the sky-- the only thing that they give us is CENSORSHIP
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
because we must fight 'the matrix'
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
I run the VS2005 IDE on 3 PC's, for over 16 hours each day, and it doesn't
crash.
Has it occurred to you that it might be something that YOU're doing
wrong?!!?
________________________________
The Grim Reaper
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
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because we must fight 'the matrix'
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
The Grim Reaper wrote:
>This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
screw you buddy
yeah.. you're right if VS crashes on a brand new install with all the
updates; then it must be something that im doing wrong.
I usually run 2 or 4 instances of Visual Studio; I churn out about a
dozen reports a day.. so I've always got about 10 reports open in each
instance
I've got 2gb ram.. so don't try THAT cop-out
And VS crashes for me 2 or 3 times a day.. some crap about the 'modal
messagebox is hidden, you can't shut down vs because you've got a
hidden modal messagebox'
im like fuck this shit
if Microsoft wasn't a monopoly then VS wouldn't have a 10% marketshare;
it's a shitty ass product.
it's slow; it's not stable.
and FUCK YOU for saying that it's my fault for 'not installing it
correctly'
where do you come up with this shit
sorry you take the MS Cock '05 in your ass.. I fucking hate it
personally
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I run the VS2005 IDE on 3 PC's, for over 16 hours each day, and it doesn't
crash.
Has it occurred to you that it might be something that YOU're doing
wrong?!!?
________________________________
The Grim Reaper
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
because we must fight 'the matrix'
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
Hello testina di cazzo,
your are not even able to write a piece of code with 50%
comments which will compile (what is "Finaly", an invention of
yours?).
You should first prove you understand what you are talking
about. The fact that you are familiar with Cocks does not
imply you are a testa di cazzo. It's just an hint.
Personally, we should be happy most people remain with
vb6, in the same way we enjoy a lot of competitors have a
mental disadvantage.
-P aa*********@gmail.com ha scritto:
screw you buddy
yeah.. you're right if VS crashes on a brand new install with all the
updates; then it must be something that im doing wrong.
I usually run 2 or 4 instances of Visual Studio; I churn out about a
dozen reports a day.. so I've always got about 10 reports open in each
instance
I've got 2gb ram.. so don't try THAT cop-out
And VS crashes for me 2 or 3 times a day.. some crap about the 'modal
messagebox is hidden, you can't shut down vs because you've got a
hidden modal messagebox'
im like fuck this shit
if Microsoft wasn't a monopoly then VS wouldn't have a 10% marketshare;
it's a shitty ass product.
it's slow; it's not stable.
and FUCK YOU for saying that it's my fault for 'not installing it
correctly'
where do you come up with this shit
sorry you take the MS Cock '05 in your ass.. I fucking hate it
personally
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I run the VS2005 IDE on 3 PC's, for over 16 hours each day, and it doesn't
crash.
Has it occurred to you that it might be something that YOU're doing
wrong?!!?
________________________________
The Grim Reaper
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
because we must fight 'the matrix'
>
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
>
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
>
>
The Grim Reaper wrote:
>This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
>If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
>__________________________________
>The Grim Reaper
>>
>"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
Branco Medeiros wrote:
>Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
>intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
>to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
>>
>Don't.
>Feed.
>The trolls.
>>
>B.
>
>
it's a much simpler environment
I can run circles around you VB.net _RETARDS_ because i don't spend my
time troubleshooting inheritence and all that other crap
I read a book from MS press it said '78% of vb6 developers dont use
classes'
SO I BEG THE QUESTION WHY IN THE FUCK ARE THEY TRYING TO SELL US ON
CLASSES?
SURE, I DIGEST CLASSES.. BUT OOP ISNT AN EFFICIENT ARCHITECTURE; AND
THE REASON THE VB 2005 IS DOG SLOW IS BECAUSE 'EVERYTHING IS AN OBJECT'
It's a bunch of CRAP
70% of VB6 developers can't make a dataset or datareader in VB.net
70% of VB6 developers can't make a dataset or datareader in VB.net
70% of VB6 developers can't make a dataset or datareader in VB.net
70% of VB6 developers can't make a dataset or datareader in VB.net
70% of VB6 developers can't make a dataset or datareader in VB.net pa***********@libero.it wrote:
Hello testina di cazzo,
your are not even able to write a piece of code with 50%
comments which will compile (what is "Finaly", an invention of
yours?).
You should first prove you understand what you are talking
about. The fact that you are familiar with Cocks does not
imply you are a testa di cazzo. It's just an hint.
Personally, we should be happy most people remain with
vb6, in the same way we enjoy a lot of competitors have a
mental disadvantage.
-P
aa*********@gmail.com ha scritto:
screw you buddy
yeah.. you're right if VS crashes on a brand new install with all the
updates; then it must be something that im doing wrong.
I usually run 2 or 4 instances of Visual Studio; I churn out about a
dozen reports a day.. so I've always got about 10 reports open in each
instance
I've got 2gb ram.. so don't try THAT cop-out
And VS crashes for me 2 or 3 times a day.. some crap about the 'modal
messagebox is hidden, you can't shut down vs because you've got a
hidden modal messagebox'
im like fuck this shit
if Microsoft wasn't a monopoly then VS wouldn't have a 10% marketshare;
it's a shitty ass product.
it's slow; it's not stable.
and FUCK YOU for saying that it's my fault for 'not installing it
correctly'
where do you come up with this shit
sorry you take the MS Cock '05 in your ass.. I fucking hate it
personally
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I run the VS2005 IDE on 3 PC's, for over 16 hours each day, and it doesn't
crash.
>
Has it occurred to you that it might be something that YOU're doing
wrong?!!?
________________________________
The Grim Reaper
>
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
because we must fight 'the matrix'
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
>
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
>
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
>
B.
oh, I run the VS 2005 IDE on 1 PC for 26 hours a day
what a fucking crock of CRAP dude
VS 2005 / VB 2005 IS NOT USABLE
I just wish that I could encounter Microsoft in a dark alley; I would
show them the meaning of USABILITY
Microsoft lost their chances; they spent all their points trying to
sell us on this 'DOTNET CRAP' and I will DOTNOT buy into it.
i use PHP because it's easy; because I have a good IDE; I use
dreamweaver.
For the record... Dreamweaver was the best interface for VB6 / VBScript
anyways
MIcrosoft just couldn't handle someone else BEING COMPETITIVE so they
pulled an Intel and changed from Socket 7 to Slot 1 just to fuck with
AMD.
Microsofts' move away from VB6 was SOLELY BECAUSE DREAMWEAVER MADE A
BETTER IDE
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I run the VS2005 IDE on 3 PC's, for over 16 hours each day, and it doesn't
crash.
Has it occurred to you that it might be something that YOU're doing
wrong?!!?
________________________________
The Grim Reaper
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
because we must fight 'the matrix'
the matrix is sitting there; taking crappy ass products that take 20
seconds to launch-- and accepting that sort of mediocrity.
the matrix is sitting there and NEEDING TO USE AN IDE THAT CRASHES
THREE TIMES A DAY
The Grim Reaper wrote:
This "room" is a designated Microsoft "room".
If you hate them so much, what are you doing here??
__________________________________
The Grim Reaper
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
I own this room. Who gave you permission to speak, fucking get out.
The Grand Master
Branco Medeiros wrote:
Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not
to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds:
Don't.
Feed.
The trolls.
B.
<wa****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
And VS crashes for me 2 or 3 times a day.. some crap about the 'modal
messagebox is hidden, you can't shut down vs because you've got a
hidden modal messagebox'
So you've created an error you don't know how to deal with. RTFM.
and FUCK YOU for saying that it's my fault for 'not installing it
correctly'
where do you come up with this shit
I did not state that you installed it incorrectly. Learn to read.
I've wasted enough of my time reading this thread. You have a lower IQ than
a goat that died from holding it's breath.
Goodbye, you sad, strange little boy.
that's hilarious
at least I don't sit idly by when my IDE crashes 3 times a day
that, to me-- is about 10 times as offensive as anything else you could
possibly say-- because i've got the superior moral position.
all I'm doing is saying that we shouldn't need to put up with this
crap.
We don't need BLOATWARE.
We want our old ADO back
-Aaron
The Grim Reaper wrote:
<wa****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
And VS crashes for me 2 or 3 times a day.. some crap about the 'modal
messagebox is hidden, you can't shut down vs because you've got a
hidden modal messagebox'
So you've created an error you don't know how to deal with. RTFM.
and FUCK YOU for saying that it's my fault for 'not installing it
correctly'
where do you come up with this shit
I did not state that you installed it incorrectly. Learn to read.
I've wasted enough of my time reading this thread. You have a lower IQ than
a goat that died from holding it's breath.
Goodbye, you sad, strange little boy.
Has the announcement been made yet? :-)
Joel aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
hey I've already shed that tear.
my friend that works at Microsoft told me that they're going to do it
any day now.. make the announcement.
i just hope you kids have a good backup plan
-Aaron
Ironically, he just posted a link to an article about the
supposed market share for VB going down, and in the article,
it discusses version 9 of VB. So he's posting articles
that don't agree with his own theories.
Robin S.
-------------------
"WannaKatana" <Gi*************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
Has the announcement been made yet? :-)
Joel
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
>hey I've already shed that tear.
my friend that works at Microsoft told me that they're going to do it
any day now.. make the announcement.
i just hope you kids have a good backup plan
-Aaron
Robin
eat shit; Microsoft is going to cancel 9.. or maybe version 10..
because nobody wants it.
The world is painted in various shades of C# and at this point; I'm
moving on and moving to PHP.. MS will never be able to mis-manage
Dreamweaver / PHP / mySql into oblivion
-Aaron
RobinS wrote:
Ironically, he just posted a link to an article about the
supposed market share for VB going down, and in the article,
it discusses version 9 of VB. So he's posting articles
that don't agree with his own theories.
Robin S.
-------------------
"WannaKatana" <Gi*************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
Has the announcement been made yet? :-)
Joel
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
hey I've already shed that tear.
my friend that works at Microsoft told me that they're going to do it
any day now.. make the announcement.
i just hope you kids have a good backup plan
-Aaron
C# isn't a replacement for VB.net.. but MS still mis-stepped 4 years
ago; and now it's an effective replacement for VB
all it would take would be for MS to call it VB#.
one single character would fix this whole marketing problem
and of course; some decent marketing lol
as it is; it doesn't fill the same segments as VB; and VB.net is 'too
verbose' for any programmer to use in real life
-Aaron
Mattias Sjögren wrote:
Anyone else heard about this development?
Similar rumors appear every year. It still hasn't happened. What makes
you think C# is a replacement for VB?
Mattias
--
Mattias Sjögren [C# MVP] mattias @ mvps.org
http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/ | http://www.dotnetinterop.com
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