Visual Basic to be discontinued in 2008??

[Master Programmer]

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Mattias Sjögren]

>Anyone else heard about this development?

Similar rumors appear every year. It still hasn't happened. What makes
you think C# is a replacement for VB?
Mattias

--
Mattias Sjögren [C# MVP] mattias @ mvps.org
http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/ | http://www.dotnetinterop.com
Please reply only to the newsgroup.

[Josip Medved]

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

Just rumors.

--
Pozdrav,
Josip Medved
http://www.jmedved.com

[guy]

"Master Programmer" wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

what (positive things) would MS achieve by this?

>

[M. Posseth]

hahahahaha :-)

oh it wasn`t a joke he was serious :-|

I hear these jokes l since the start of .Net

1. VB is obsolete C# is the new kid on the block
2. C# code executes faster as VB code
3. C# is more object oriented
4. C# is faster to code with

my thoughts regarding this ( they reflect my personal opinion , before i
start a flame war )

1. Yes,, and pigs can fly for sure
2. uhhhhh were we not all coding against the same framework ? *
3 Yes this seems to be true in some situations however in other situations
VB looks more OO to me ( i call it a draw )
4. Yes for someone with a Java , Delphi , or C background it is , however
for someone with a Fortran , Basic, VB , Cobol background it isn`t *

*
Fact is that VB is an easyer language to learn ( because of it`s phonetic
operator style ) so you have more hobbyist coders , and bad coders in the
comunity, other fact is that university`s etc etc teach more C , Java ,
Delphi , C# so you have more professional coders in that corner , this is
probably where the speed differences come from if there are anny ( good
optimized code or coding against bad code or coding )
Just my thoughts

Michel Posseth [MCP]
"Josip Medved" wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

Just rumors.

--
Pozdrav,
Josip Medved
http://www.jmedved.com

[RobinS]

No, he's just jerking people's chains. It's probably the only thing he *can*
jerk, um,
if I use the C# term correctly, != on.

Robin S.
---------------------------
"M. Posseth" <MP******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:EF**********************************@microsof t.com...

hahahahaha :-)

oh it wasn`t a joke he was serious :-|

I hear these jokes l since the start of .Net

1. VB is obsolete C# is the new kid on the block
2. C# code executes faster as VB code
3. C# is more object oriented
4. C# is faster to code with

my thoughts regarding this ( they reflect my personal opinion , before i
start a flame war )

1. Yes,, and pigs can fly for sure
2. uhhhhh were we not all coding against the same framework ? *
3 Yes this seems to be true in some situations however in other
situations
VB looks more OO to me ( i call it a draw )
4. Yes for someone with a Java , Delphi , or C background it is , however
for someone with a Fortran , Basic, VB , Cobol background it isn`t *

*
Fact is that VB is an easyer language to learn ( because of it`s phonetic
operator style ) so you have more hobbyist coders , and bad coders in the
comunity, other fact is that university`s etc etc teach more C , Java ,
Delphi , C# so you have more professional coders in that corner , this is
probably where the speed differences come from if there are anny ( good
optimized code or coding against bad code or coding )
Just my thoughts

Michel Posseth [MCP]
"Josip Medved" wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

Just rumors.

--
Pozdrav,
Josip Medved
http://www.jmedved.com

[Peter Macej]

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
..NET and ASP .NET code

[Master Programmer]

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

..................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code

[guy]

But of course VB6 (under the guise of VS6) is the ***ONLY*** fully supported
development environment under Vista! (yes not even VS2005)

guy

"Peter Macej" wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
..NET and ASP .NET code

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comschrieb:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

Complete nonsense.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

[BK]

I come from a long career in Visual FoxPro. I remember 15 years ago
when Microsoft bought out Fox Software. Everyone said that was the end
of FoxPro. That was when version 2.0 was current. MS released version
2.6 a year later, a big improvement to the language. Then 3.0 which
was fully object oriented came out a year or so later and Gardner Group
said "This is the last version of FoxPro". That was about 12-13 years
ago. If I remember correctly, Gardner Group announced "This is the end
of FoxPro" for versions 5 and 6 as well. Then there were versions 7,
8, 9...... yep surely this is the end of the language. .Net isn't
going anywhere.

[M. Posseth]

Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?


"Master Programmer" wrote:

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

..................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code

[Tim Patrick]

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[rowe_newsgroups]

Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?

After taking a look at his recent posts, my guess would be "Yes".

It's also interesting that he posted a similar thread in the C++
newgroup saying it would be replaced by C# too. But it seems he is
talking about something he doesn't know about; in other posts he says
he is planning on learning C# (posted today @4:32 am). Obviously, if he
doesn't even know C# he won't know it's strengths/weaknesses compared
to vb. I suggest you "master" (pun intended) both languages before
saying one is dead and is going to be replaced by the other. :-)

But this is a serious issue, especially around new programmers. I have
heard quite a few say something like "Why bother learning VB, I heard
it's going to be replaced soon. I'm going to learn <insert language
name here>" That kind of thought process is probably the only danger to
VB. Of course, if all the newbie's go to some other language, that
means we'll be highly sought after right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
M. Posseth wrote:

Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?


"Master Programmer" wrote:

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

..................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
>
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
>
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code

[Henry Jones]

The best thing you can do "Master Programmer" is the following:

1. Boot Computer
2. Get to a DOS prompt
3. Enter: Format C:
4. Take computer to bathroom.
5. Fill the tub
6. Throw computer in
7. Go play in the sandbox

A successful VB.NET programmer.

Have a nice day.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

.................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code

[RobinS]

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[rowe_newsgroups]

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's

talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
RobinS wrote:

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?

Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.

Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
RobinS wrote:

>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comca st.net...

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft,
and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them.
But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Tim Patrick]

I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a movie through
my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those DVDs you speak of, but
I didn't believe him.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?
Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.
Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

RobinS wrote:

>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comc ast.net...
Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever
even
included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within
Microsoft,
and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell
them.
But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
around laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master
>

[RobinS]

A-HA!!! You have brain implants!
You're part of the BORG!!!!

Robin S.
---------------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

>I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a movie
through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those DVDs you speak
of, but I didn't believe him.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

>Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?
Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.
Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googleg roups.com...

>>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

RobinS wrote:

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.com cast.net...
Or perhaps try this:
>
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever
even
included Windows XP in the first place."
I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within
Microsoft,
and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell
them.
But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.
NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
around laughing uncontrollably.
>
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
>and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in
>the first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>>
>The Master
>>

[Henry Jones]

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 card
punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window in the
computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 minutes, my
listing will be put in the output bin.

Who knew this is the wave of the future?

:-)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Tim Patrick]

Yes! And the collective wants you to buy multiple copies of all of my books.
(Reading them on paper is much better than an implant!) Resistance is futile.

-----
Locutus Patrick

A-HA!!! You have brain implants!
You're part of the BORG!!!!
Robin S.
---------------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

>I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a
movie through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those
DVDs you speak of, but I didn't believe him.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

>>Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?
Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.
Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.google groups.com...
I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)
>
No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be
dead in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And
we all know there's no way he would have anything to do with
something thats going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

RobinS wrote:

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)
>
Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.co mcast.net...
>Or perhaps try this:
>>
>"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
>within
>18
>months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
>saying
>that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever
>even
>included Windows XP in the first place."
>I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses
>the
>moniker
>"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
>would
>have
>a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
>understanding of how development and marketing work within
>Microsoft,
>and
>at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell
>them.
>But
>perhaps my expectations are just too high.
>NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
>around laughing uncontrollably.
>-----
>Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>>months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe
>>it and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS
>>2003 in the first place. Anyone else heard about this
>>development?
>>>
>>The Master
>>>

[Tim Patrick]

Punch cards are passe. It's so much easier (and convenient!) to toggle your
program directly into the front panel of the mainframe.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029
card punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window
in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20
minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin.

Who knew this is the wave of the future?

:-)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

Oh, dear, and I only ordered one copy, of which I am eagerly
awaiting delivery, sitting close to the door so as not to
miss the mailman's knock. I dare not leave the room for
fear he will leave the book on the doorstep and the neighbors
will steal it, for its popularity will be legend. I'm hoping
for a first edition of course.

Maybe I should buy copies for all the members of my
local .Net users group. Yeah, that's the ticket. Sit
back and plan your next meal at Taco Bell, bucko!

Robin S.
-------------------------------------------

"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Yes! And the collective wants you to buy multiple copies of all of my
books. (Reading them on paper is much better than an implant!) Resistance
is futile.

-----
Locutus Patrick

>A-HA!!! You have brain implants!
You're part of the BORG!!!!
Robin S.
---------------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comca st.net...

>>I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a
movie through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those
DVDs you speak of, but I didn't believe him.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?
Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.
Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googl egroups.com...
>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
>about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)
>>
No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be
dead in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And
we all know there's no way he would have anything to do with
something thats going out of date :-)
>
Thanks,
>
Seth Rowe
>
RobinS wrote:
>
>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking
>about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.)
>>
>Robin S.
>------------------------
>"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
>news:e3*************************@newsgroups.c omcast.net...
>>Or perhaps try this:
>>>
>>"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
>>within
>>18
>>months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
>>saying
>>that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever
>>even
>>included Windows XP in the first place."
>>I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses
>>the
>>moniker
>>"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master"
>>would
>>have
>>a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
>>understanding of how development and marketing work within
>>Microsoft,
>>and
>>at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell
>>them.
>>But
>>perhaps my expectations are just too high.
>>NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling
>>around laughing uncontrollably.
>>-----
>>Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>>Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>>>months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe
>>>it and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS
>>>2003 in the first place. Anyone else heard about this
>>>development?
>>>>
>>>The Master
>>>>

[The Grim Reaper]

What format war??!

I read that HD and Blu-ray were going to be released on a new tri-format
DVD, so that we can all benefit from the technology...!
[tri format being the existing format, HD and Blu].
Gimme a few hours and I'll remember where I read that...
________________________________
The Grim Reaper

"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:T9******************************@comcast.com. ..

Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?

Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.

Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
RobinS wrote:

>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comc ast.net...
Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within
18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft,
and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them.
But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

it's true; I heard this also.

C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.

Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it

-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

then they could be one happy C# family

they could hold hands with the wimpy $3bn company named Sun and we all
could be happier and simpler

I think that MS can lick my ass for screwing us vb developers

-Aaron

guy wrote:

"Master Programmer" wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

what (positive things) would MS achieve by this?

[Dennis]

Actually, I heard that C# will be discontinued since all the people who like
typing "!=" instead of "not" and like looking at all the {{{{{{{ }}}}}}}
running together are being fitted with straight jackets and locked up to
protect society!
--
Dennis in Houston
"Tim Patrick" wrote:

Punch cards are passe. It's so much easier (and convenient!) to toggle your
program directly into the front panel of the mainframe.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029
card punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window
in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20
minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin.

Who knew this is the wave of the future?

:-)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

C# discontinued?

microsoft would rather open source windows and office than lose that
war.. all because some dipshit thought that it would be cute to say
'c-sharp' instead of C PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS

makes me sick

I would rather flip burgers then ever use any language named C or Java
-ANYTHING

but with the betrayal of VB developers over the PAST DECADE; im giving
up and doing everything in PHP

-Aaron

Dennis wrote:

Actually, I heard that C# will be discontinued since all the people who like
typing "!=" instead of "not" and like looking at all the {{{{{{{ }}}}}}}
running together are being fitted with straight jackets and locked up to
protect society!
--
Dennis in Houston
"Tim Patrick" wrote:

Punch cards are passe. It's so much easier (and convenient!) to toggle your
program directly into the front panel of the mainframe.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029
card punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window
in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20
minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin.
>
Who knew this is the wave of the future?
>
:-)
>
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
>An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
>and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
>first place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>>
>The Master
>>

[Master Programmer]

I wont be sory too see it go. VB 6.0 was the greatest thing ever, but
anything .NET sucks hit as far as I am concerned.

The Grand Master
M. Posseth wrote:

Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?


"Master Programmer" wrote:

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

..................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
>
This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.
>
When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.
>
--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code

[Master Programmer]

Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.

The Grand Master
MVPX
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

it's true; I heard this also.

C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.

Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it

-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

I agree Master; Microsoft sucks a big fat pickle for their treatment of
the worlds most popular programming language

-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:

I wont be sory too see it go. VB 6.0 was the greatest thing ever, but
anything .NET sucks hit as far as I am concerned.

The Grand Master
M. Posseth wrote:

Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?


"Master Programmer" wrote:

Dim Career as String
>
Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub
>
..................
>
Peter Macej wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code
>
>

[aaron.kempf]

Tim

Master is RIGHT

Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for all
of us to move to PHP

-Aaron

Tim Patrick wrote:

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

exactly

I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.

I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?

I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.

a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext

Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.

And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.

those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.

The Grand Master
MVPX
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

it's true; I heard this also.

C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.

Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it

-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master

[Master Programmer]

Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....

"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)

The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

I mean seriously.

If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?

advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?

I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.

does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?

ROFL

what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.

Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?

I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT

-Aaron

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

exactly

I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.

I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?

I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.

a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext

Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.

And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.

those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.

The Grand Master
MVPX
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

it's true; I heard this also.
>
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
>
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Master Programmer]

Ha ha

Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !

Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.

The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!

Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.

MS can lick my ass.

The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

I mean seriously.

If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?

advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?

I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.

does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?

ROFL

what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.

Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?

I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT

-Aaron

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

exactly

I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.

I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?

I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.

a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext

Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.

And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.

those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
>
The Grand Master
MVPX
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.

C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.

Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it

-Aaron


Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master

[aaron.kempf]

Henry;

when we want your opinion we will tell you we want your opinion.

your humor is not called for; this is a DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS threat.

Microsoft has fucked as all in the ass; what are you going to do about
it?

Is LinQ going to solve all of our problems?

WILL IT MAKE VB.NET AS EASY TO USE AS ACCESS IS NOW?

MS Killed the worlds most popular programming language because they're
too fucking stupid to have any real-world experience.

I worked at microsoft for years and years and years and I didn't ever
meet a SINGLE FUCKING PERSON THAT KNEW VB.

an awful lot of SPREADSHEET DORKS.
an awful lot of FRAT BOYS and GOOKS.

but nobody knew VB.

fuck that company; drop what you're doing and go out and learn PHP;
kids

Microsoft isn't even supporting VB.net 2002, 2003 _OR_ 2005 on VISTA;
and you all KNOW that's a FACT.

-Aaron


Henry Jones wrote:

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 card
punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window in the
computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 minutes, my
listing will be put in the output bin.

Who knew this is the wave of the future?

:-)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Master Programmer]

Fantastic Visual Studio allows you to use multiple languages using just
one IDE. Well whoopie !

Why the fuck would anyone want to do that?

The Grand Master

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

I mean seriously.

If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?

advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?

I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.

does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?

ROFL

what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.

Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?

I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT

-Aaron

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

exactly

I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.

I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?

I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.

a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext

Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.

And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.

those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.
>
The Grand Master
MVPX
>
>
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.

C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.

Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it

-Aaron


Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?
>
The Master

[aaron.kempf]

dataset is crippleware.
connections are crippleware - YOU CANT FUCKING LEAVE THEM OPEN!!!
datereader is our friend.

-Aaron
Master Programmer wrote:

Ha ha

Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !

Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.

The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!

Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.

MS can lick my ass.

The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

I mean seriously.

If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?

advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?

I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.

does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?

ROFL

what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.

Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?

I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT

-Aaron

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

exactly
>
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
>
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?
>
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
>
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
>
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.
>
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
>
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
>
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.

The Grand Master
MVPX


aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
>
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
>
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[aaron.kempf]

I can out develop ANY vb.net programmer using Microsoft Access.

by a factor of probably 2:1

when is vb.net going to be competitive???
when is vb.net going to offer clientside scripting capabilities for the
internet?

I DONT WANT TO LEARN 9 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES: I ONLY WANT TO USE THE
LANGUAGE WE ALL LOVE

What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft

DTS, Outlook Macros, Excel Macros, Access Macros, Word Macros, Windows
Script Host.

can VB.net do _ANY_ of those activities?

Call me when it can; as it is; vb.net is LESS POWERFUL than vb6.

-Aaron


Master Programmer wrote:

Ha ha

Yeah like I a really am impressed that every thing "under the covers"
works using xml - who gives a flying fuck !

Web services - big fucking wow ! - Who the fuck really uses that for
anything usefull.

The dataReader offers a fast read only blah blah - fucking crippleware
!

Its sad, retarded, changes as fast as you learn it - so you can do the
same things as before but in a different way.

MS can lick my ass.

The Grand Master
aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

I mean seriously.

If Microsoft is going to COMPETE then why don't we hear about AVAX?

advanced VBSCRIPT against Xml?

I've been writing intranet sites for years using clientside vbscript.

does VB.net even let you write clientside vbScript?

ROFL

what a stupid fucking language.
I can write macros, ETL, applications and batch files in VB6.

Can I do ANY of those in VB.net?

I dont want to be forced to go from ONE FUCKING LANGUAGE to THREE
GODDAMN LANGUAGES; DO THE MATH MICROSOFT

-Aaron

aa*********@gmail.com wrote:

exactly
>
I don't want to get rid of Office Web Components.
>
I mean--- seriously here.. do they have anything CLOSE to a replacement
for this?
>
I don't want to rewrite all of my applications to use DATASETS; I mean
they're a bunch of fucking retards.
>
a) they dont even let us keep a connection open
b) they don't trust us to use our own dataset.moveNext
>
Microsoft DOESNT VALUE vb programmers because they're all a bunch of
C++ fags.
>
And I would rather get ass-raped then ever use Java or any language
named C-ANYTHING.
>
those fuckers they just dont get it and they can lick my big fat balls.
I honestly reccomend to all of you that you learn PHP and MOVEON.org
>
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Yeah they sure did fuck VB over. I guess you can learn the new VB, then
you will only have to throw away any code that you have leaned every 2
years instead - each time they change the framework.

The Grand Master
MVPX


aa*********@gmail.com wrote:
it's true; I heard this also.
>
C# won the war; because Microsoft dealt them a loaded deck.
>
Microsoft screwed their most powerful constituency; the most powerful /
popular programmign language and I'm fucking pissed off about it
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Master Programmer]

Hey Henry

Don't bother with the punch cards. You can use XML instead - WOW !

XML is an exciting "text file" that replaced equaly useful csv's to
store data. XML allows you to store data in ways that you could do
before, but in a different way.

Computing is becoming pathetic.

The Grand Master

Henry Jones wrote:

Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 card
punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window in the
computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 minutes, my
listing will be put in the output bin.

Who knew this is the wave of the future?

:-)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first
place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

I wish! I heard they won't even license
companies to make dual-players. I'm not
buying either HD *or* Blu-Ray until someone
wins.

I'll just give one reason: I just to own a Betamax.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------
"The Grim Reaper" <gr*********@REMOVEbtopenworld.comwrote in message
news:0d******************************@bt.com...

What format war??!

I read that HD and Blu-ray were going to be released on a new tri-format
DVD, so that we can all benefit from the technology...!
[tri format being the existing format, HD and Blu].
Gimme a few hours and I'll remember where I read that...
________________________________
The Grim Reaper

"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:T9******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right?

Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those
is going to win the format war, it's going to
be something completely different that is
secretly being worked on even as we speak.

Robin S.
-------------------------------
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googleg roups.com...

>>>I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead
in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all
know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats
going out of date :-)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
RobinS wrote:
I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.com cast.net...
Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off
within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is
saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever
even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft,
and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell
them. But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it
and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Master Programmer]

VCR actually. VB is about to go the way of betamax. Or maybe DVD so
that the video standards can be altered many times over and over again
rendering it useless..

The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:

I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough
to have a Tivo.)

Robin S.
------------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and
at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But
perhaps my expectations are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

Why don't you do that then, and move your abusive self out of
this newsgroup? You're acting worse than the company you
continue to deride to a bunch of people who are just trying
to get a little help getting their jobs done.
<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Tim

Master is RIGHT

Microsoft betrayed us ALL a long time ago; the only answer is for all
of us to move to PHP

-Aaron

Tim Patrick wrote:

>Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my
expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!

Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...

Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....

"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)

The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:

>Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my
expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[Tim Patrick]

Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the outline
for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on
the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins!

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the
finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and
Tim will write another book! Haha!

Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...

>Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....

"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but probably very true)

The Grand Master

[Master Programmer]

Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is,
in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages
seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a
laughingstock.

The Grand Master
RobinS wrote:

LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance
it, and Tim will write another book! Haha!

Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...

Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....

"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but
probably very true)

The Grand Master
Tim Patrick wrote:

Or perhaps try this:

"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying
that
Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even
included
Windows XP in the first place."

I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the
moniker
"The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would
have
a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an
understanding
of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some
ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my
expectations
are just too high.

NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around
laughing
uncontrollably.

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and
am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the
first place. Anyone else heard about this development?

The Master

[RobinS]

Well, I'm enjoying your book, so I'm glad to know I'll
have another one to look forward to in the future.

But don't forget -- by 2011, PHP will be replaced
by something newer and better. I heard a rumor that
Microsoft was going to take over PHP and DotNet-i-cize
it. I'm sure that'll make some people happy. ;-)

Robin S.
-----------------------
"Tim Patrick" <in*****@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3*************************@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the
outline for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new
chapters on the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins!

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

>LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the
finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and
Tim will write another book! Haha!

Robin S.
--------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...

>>Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be
able to sell any more of those books.....

"Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book -
but probably very true)

The Grand Master

[Master Programmer]

A successful VB.NET programmer.

I guess it depends upon how you define success. If you successfully
like to learn over and over again how to do the same fucking things but
in different ways then carry on using .net, you will be very
successful.
The Grand Master
Henry Jones wrote:

The best thing you can do "Master Programmer" is the following:

1. Boot Computer
2. Get to a DOS prompt
3. Enter: Format C:
4. Take computer to bathroom.
5. Fill the tub
6. Throw computer in
7. Go play in the sandbox

A successful VB.NET programmer.

Have a nice day.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

Dim Career as String

Private Sub Main()
If Language = "VB" then
Career = "Over"
Exit Sub
End if
End Sub

.................

Peter Macej wrote:

An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18

This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see
http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm.

When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions
are called Visual Basic .NET.

--
Peter Macej
Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com
VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB
.NET and ASP .NET code