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I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo
Sep 29 '06 #1
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Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #2

P: n/a
It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
>your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
>and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #3

P: n/a
That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschreef in bericht
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>
-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #4

P: n/a
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OE**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the
subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschreef in bericht
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
>in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
>"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
>very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>>
-Boo



Sep 29 '06 #5

P: n/a
ACK

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukschreef in bericht
news:Bq******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or
is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be
asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better
than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OE**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the
subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschreef in bericht
news:e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for
beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post
with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that
they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first
try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it
out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but
I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich
Cook)


"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a
stream?
>
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the
Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>
-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #6

P: n/a
John Timney (MVP) wrote:
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.
We must also remember that beginners don't exactly have a BASIC ROM to
get into just by turning their computer on - now those were the days!
Today's programming environments are so out there it's amazing beginners
can achieve anything. Object oriented languages are as intuitive as
learning Icelandic!

Microsoft would do well to replace the old qbasic with something similar
so beginners have something quick and easy to get into.

--
______ ___ __
/_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____
/ / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/
/_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/
/___/

There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
binary numbering system and those who don't.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.
Sep 29 '06 #7

P: n/a

"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:Bq******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or
is as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be
asking entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive
is the problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem
better than they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.
I totally agree with the first part of your post. However, for the second
part, successful googling is a skill like any other. When you need to
understand the concepts and keywords you want to know about - something of
an impasse occurs. This group does not need the OP discouraging people from
asking "obvious" questions, or even non-obvious questions; the poster does
not know beforehand whether the question is obvious or not. If the OP
doesn't like these questions, he doesn't have to answer them. This group
has been free of bad attitude for the years I've been using it and I hope it
stays that way. This may mean the OP changing his approach.

The only advice I would give new posters is to always put the question in
context. It's much easier to find the answer that way.

Sep 29 '06 #8

P: n/a
Me

Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
>your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
>and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo




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Sep 29 '06 #9

P: n/a
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>
-Boo



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Sep 29 '06 #10

P: n/a
The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining will
be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read this
post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will not even
give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer, don't answer
it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google before I
come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for answers here.
If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't used the correct
key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll come here and post and
wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key words
before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An example is
my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened to
MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN subcriber,
you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but, probably 20%-30%
of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
>I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
>in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
>"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
>very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>>
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Sep 29 '06 #11

P: n/a
Peter,

Who are you answering?

:-))

Cor

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comschreef in bericht
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
>I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
>in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
>"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
>very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>>
-Boo




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Sep 29 '06 #12

P: n/a
Robinson,

Although I agree with Boo, do I agree with you more.

I think that there are some obvious guys/girls who are not newbie's but want
their code or whatever from a newsgroup.

That does not mean that the majority of good guys should suffer from the few
bad guys.

When I started I have asked the most crazy things which only a fool or
somebody very intelligent could answer.

I still am thankful for that Herfried,

:-)

Cor

"Robinson" <it*****************@nowmyinboxisfull.comschreef in bericht
news:ef*******************@news.demon.co.uk...
>
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:Bq******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
>Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or
is as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be
asking entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive
is the problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem
better than they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their
way, even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times
already. Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat
problems as a means of building up their own knowledge. I do though
sometimes gag when its so darn obvious that a simple search would
suffice.

I totally agree with the first part of your post. However, for the second
part, successful googling is a skill like any other. When you need to
understand the concepts and keywords you want to know about - something of
an impasse occurs. This group does not need the OP discouraging people
from asking "obvious" questions, or even non-obvious questions; the poster
does not know beforehand whether the question is obvious or not. If the
OP doesn't like these questions, he doesn't have to answer them. This
group has been free of bad attitude for the years I've been using it and I
hope it stays that way. This may mean the OP changing his approach.

The only advice I would give new posters is to always put the question in
context. It's much easier to find the answer that way.

Sep 29 '06 #13

P: n/a
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the ability
to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a freakin
bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy drum
circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart attitude
of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea that
the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years.. decades
accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a demand
for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the context
of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo
Sep 29 '06 #14

P: n/a
I'm really impressed! Those people who called you an idiot must really have
left ther mark.
I can see you don't tolerate the idoits of today who want to improve, jusy
as as you did once.

However, you must be a great help to those who know just a little less than
you.

But what about things you don't you know about? After you've Googled and not
understood the replies wouldn't it be nice to ask somone who will give you a
polite and informative answer?

If you think the question posted by someone is stupid and has been asked
before you don't have to read it, let alone answer it.

I too learnt the hard way once because there was nobody out there to help me
(or call me an idiot).
Fortunately now there is ways to get help and I get just a little kick out
of being one of those who does the helping

Howard

BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend my
life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)


.. Y
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the
idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because
they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll
get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #15

P: n/a

well put...nothing beats rolling up your sleeves and figuring it out. But
some people like to be spoon feed ... others, will not starve.
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the
idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because
they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll
get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo


Sep 29 '06 #16

P: n/a
GhostInAK wrote:
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to
your fuking hippy drum circle.
Well now, who's the lil IT nerd who is expressing his social
crippleness? Thanks for enforcing the stereotype, loser.

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/___/

There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
binary numbering system and those who don't.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.
Sep 29 '06 #17

P: n/a
you can herd cats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STdOEBORp0

....lol
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Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@NoSpam.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining
will be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read
this post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will
not even give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer,
don't answer it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google before
I come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for answers
here. If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't used the
correct key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll come here and
post and wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key
words before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An example
is my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened to
MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN subcriber,
you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but, probably 20%-30%
of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the
best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute
he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit
from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the
best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
>>I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google,
and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try
to
>find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
>yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it
out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
>ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
>from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
>bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft. com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
>>in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a
stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question
is
>>"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
>>very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>>>
-Boo



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Sep 29 '06 #18

P: n/a
That's funny. Now, in the real world... Oh wait, that's on MTV...
That's not the real world either
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:AL******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
you can herd cats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STdOEBORp0

...lol
--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@NoSpam.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining
will be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read
this post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will
not even give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer,
don't answer it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google
before I come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for
answers here. If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't
used the correct key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll come
here and post and wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key
words before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An example
is my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened
to MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN
subcriber, you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but,
probably 20%-30% of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2
minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the
best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you
know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute
he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit
from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the
best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...

Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google,
and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post
with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that
they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first
try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it
out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but
I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich
Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsoft .com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a
stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the
Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.

-Boo



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Sep 29 '06 #19

P: n/a
"You need to be 'this big' or 'this many' to post questions in this group"
lol Seriously Boo, that comment is exstreamly snobish. Do you really think
that you are that indispensible? Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any
time and the world will still go on turning you know. Speaking as a newbie
myself I don't "need" your advice I respectfully ask for your help knowing
that you and the others here have more experience. Period. If you can't or
won't come down from that high mountain to help us poor people who need help
once in a while, that's ok we'll just go beat on our drum for the next
VB.Net Godly spirit to answer. lol

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the
idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because
they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll
get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo


Sep 30 '06 #20

P: n/a
BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend
my life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)
Good for you :) That's what teachers do and I always appreciated that.

Sorry, just stopped by this newsgroup and found this interesting subject.

Many people are not born or educated to be a good teacher or instructor
(such as myself :) ), but to the least degree, he/she should understand
that and make a better use of his/her time and talents.

No question is a stupid question. I have learned and shared many and yet
still asking many "stupid" questions just to make sure I really understood
the question.

If I understood correctly, people come here are volunteers for helping
others. If he/she thinks not so willing, why do some gardening works
instead of coming here.

I tried to point out where might be the sources of simple answers and how to
get it "at the end" of help session at the office. Isn't it a better way
for "teaching" people for the immediate needs and for problem solving at the
same time, and see if they can learn - before jumping to the conclusion?

Finally, I really appreciate those who care to spend your time, knowledge,
and skills for pure idiots like myself and others with more advanced skills.
You may wish to know one thing - This is why US-based newsgroups have much
more visitors than any other countries for the same topics established by
MS - if you occasionally visited different country-based newsgroups for
Europe and Asia. In the end, you also helped this country to maintain one
of its core competencies - computer skills.

"Howard" <no****@home.please.co.ukwrote in message
news:zu********************@pipex.net...
I'm really impressed! Those people who called you an idiot must really
have left ther mark.
I can see you don't tolerate the idoits of today who want to improve, jusy
as as you did once.

However, you must be a great help to those who know just a little less
than you.

But what about things you don't you know about? After you've Googled and
not understood the replies wouldn't it be nice to ask somone who will give
you a polite and informative answer?

If you think the question posted by someone is stupid and has been asked
before you don't have to read it, let alone answer it.

I too learnt the hard way once because there was nobody out there to help
me (or call me an idiot).
Fortunately now there is ways to get help and I get just a little kick out
of being one of those who does the helping

Howard

BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend
my life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)


. Y
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
>Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate
the idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge
because they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my
knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo



Sep 30 '06 #21

P: n/a
>Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any time and the world will still go on
turning you know.
Realizing that some years ago, I started to take longer vocations as
Europeans do :)

"Denis Voyer" <de********@adenak.comwrote in message
news:O4**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
"You need to be 'this big' or 'this many' to post questions in this group"
lol Seriously Boo, that comment is exstreamly snobish. Do you really think
that you are that indispensible? Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any
time and the world will still go on turning you know. Speaking as a newbie
myself I don't "need" your advice I respectfully ask for your help knowing
that you and the others here have more experience. Period. If you can't or
won't come down from that high mountain to help us poor people who need
help once in a while, that's ok we'll just go beat on our drum for the
next VB.Net Godly spirit to answer. lol

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
>Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate
the idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge
because they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my
knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo



Sep 30 '06 #22

P: n/a
Wow....

Glad I never came across you in my MSBASIC posts on CompuServe....
actually... back then, the "boys" (and girls) would have easily put you in
your place...
yes, "your place".

But those days are gone... so I guess we will have to live with ya... too
bad
for beginners who post to this newsgroup...., and yes, you might as well
include me in that group.

Doug.
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability
to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a
freakin
bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy
drum
circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude
of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea
that
the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years..
decades
accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a
demand
for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context
of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo


Sep 30 '06 #23

P: n/a
When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
I feel sorry for you.

You learned from an "experienced" programmer, not necessary a decent people
and a qualified supervisor or instructor.

You're repeating/revenging your miserable experiences to those
disadvantaged. You think that since you have suffered, others have to
suffered too.

I bet you were less harder than I was as a business majored person who had
joined the tech industry for over two decades.

Idiot is a too nice word for people giving to me at the time. I spent
thousands and thousands of dollars on self-learning, and learned from
generous people of various newsgroups and forums, and eventually I was on
the top management and now started my own business.

You're the type of engineers that I have no hesitation to fire and would
never include into consideration to hire.

It is because we suffered before that we need to help others now.
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the
idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because
they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll
get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo


Sep 30 '06 #24

P: n/a
I'm not opposed to you being a hypocritical asshat, just your ranting
about it in here. I believe the reason someone set these forums up was
for the purpose of COMMUNICATION. It certainly was not for the power
hungry or ignorance to flourish.

Here's a new activity you can not ask questions about: restraint.
GhostInAK wrote:
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the ability
to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a freakin
bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy drum
circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart attitude
of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea that
the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years.. decades
accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a demand
for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the context
of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo
Sep 30 '06 #25

P: n/a
GhostInAK schreef:
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question is "How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up
the Obejct Browser and take a look at the properties and methods of Y.
Also, Google is your very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE
SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.
There was a time you were a newbie too ... please don't forget that.

Did it ever came to your mind MOST explanations or documentation that
can be found with Google are in English and MANY not English people
(like me) have problems in understanding what is written.
Just like the world doesn't belong to the U.S.A programming doesn't
belong to English people or to people who are more skilled in
programming than others.
Instead of posting such an offensive message it would be better to
ignore them if they bother you. That's what I do when I read (other)
ng's and find a question way too silly ....

Maybe this is a newsgrooup for pro's, then I will redraw from here and
look somewhere else for answers just because I like to do some
programming for fun. But as far as I know it's not forbidden to ask
questions, how silly they may be or how bad they may reflect the
laziness of the author.

Opa Vito
Sep 30 '06 #26

P: n/a

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comwrote in message
news:be**************************@news.microsoft.c om...
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.
<snip>
Now, I'll have my say, as you obviously did not "THINK before you post".
You're quite right that "We don't have to be nice." By the same token, we
don't have to be nasty or belittle people. Does it somehow make you feel
superior when you do?
Only the weak and insecure bully and belittle from behind the protection of
an electronic interface.
Oh, and before you try laying any of your "Go back to your (sic)fuking hippy
circle" junk on me, I'm a 24 year military veteran and retired senior
officer (as right wing as they come).

--
Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Sep 30 '06 #27

P: n/a
Hi Opa,

Boo can write very pleasant messages too; therefore don't blame him for this
message. It is his opinion and he brings it in the discussion, something I
am used to do too as it bothers me. I (and with a high chance you) are
living in a country that is stated because of this principle more than 400
years ago now, we are free to speech, therefore let him do that as well.

From this thread, I understand that what Boo has written is in not accepted
by the majority of the visitors from this newsgroup.

However, he can always use the not written "student rule" which regulars use
in this newsgroup: We give never too those direct answers, only hints to
find the solution for their problem...

:-)

Cor
"Opa Vito" <ge*****@dit.nietschreef in bericht
news:cM******************************@scarlet.biz. ..
GhostInAK schreef:
>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question is "How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up
the Obejct Browser and take a look at the properties and methods of Y.
Also, Google is your very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE
SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

There was a time you were a newbie too ... please don't forget that.

Did it ever came to your mind MOST explanations or documentation that can
be found with Google are in English and MANY not English people (like me)
have problems in understanding what is written.
Just like the world doesn't belong to the U.S.A programming doesn't belong
to English people or to people who are more skilled in programming than
others.
Instead of posting such an offensive message it would be better to ignore
them if they bother you. That's what I do when I read (other) ng's and
find a question way too silly ....

Maybe this is a newsgrooup for pro's, then I will redraw from here and
look somewhere else for answers just because I like to do some programming
for fun. But as far as I know it's not forbidden to ask questions, how
silly they may be or how bad they may reflect the laziness of the author.

Opa Vito

Sep 30 '06 #28

P: n/a

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlwrote in message
news:ur**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Hi Opa,

Boo can write very pleasant messages too; therefore don't blame him for
this message. It is his opinion and he brings it in the discussion,
something I am used to do too as it bothers me. I (and with a high chance
you) are living in a country that is stated because of this principle more
than 400 years ago now, we are free to speech, therefore let him do that
as well.

From this thread, I understand that what Boo has written is in not
accepted by the majority of the visitors from this newsgroup.

However, he can always use the not written "student rule" which regulars
use in this newsgroup: We give never too those direct answers, only hints
to find the solution for their problem...

:-)

Cor
I agree 100% with the "student rule". It can easily be applied without
unnecessary unpleasantness.
Sep 30 '06 #29

P: n/a
its hilarious isn't it........!! Made me smile a few times.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@NoSpam.comwrote in message
news:eS**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
That's funny. Now, in the real world... Oh wait, that's on MTV...
That's not the real world either
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:AL******************************@eclipse.net. uk...
>you can herd cats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STdOEBORp0

...lol
--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@NoSpam.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining
will be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read
this post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will
not even give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer,
don't answer it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google
before I come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for
answers here. If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't
used the correct key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll
come here and post and wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key
words before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An
example is my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened
to MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN
subcriber, you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but,
probably 20%-30% of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:ud**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be
a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2
minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the
best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you
know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute
he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit
from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to
discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the
best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco.comschreef in bericht
news:11*************@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google,
and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.
>
Peter, you've been put on my delete list.
>
>
>
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comwrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl.. .
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post
with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that
they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first
try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it
out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert
here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer
yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but
I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich
Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:c7**************************@news.microsof t.com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a
stream?
>
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.
>
My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the
Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google
is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>
-Boo
>
>

>
>
>
>
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