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Summary of issues with VS 2005


I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the
web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf
Jan 7 '06 #1
23 1087
Hi Ralf,

I'm not sure where you'll find a list of issues, but I can tell you that
service packs are free, so if you buy now you can start learning, and then
go live when the service pack comes out.

--
Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
ci**************@msn.com www.cindywinegarden.com
"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> wrote in message
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. ... whether
or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out first.

Jan 9 '06 #2
You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

--

Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio .NET,
VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
Free resources for add-in developers:
http://www.mztools.com

"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the
web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf

Jan 9 '06 #3
What is missing in the Express edition?
I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project" or
"limited life"

Thanks

"Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <ca*****@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in message
news:u0**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

--

Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio .NET,
VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
Free resources for add-in developers:
http://www.mztools.com

"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the
web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf


Jan 15 '06 #4

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
What is missing in the Express edition?
I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project"
or "limited life"


Neither of those AFAIK.

Jan 15 '06 #5
Seems you can only connect to SQLExpress.
Well taht my limited experience so far

Robert

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
What is missing in the Express edition?
I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project" or "limited life"

Thanks

"Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <ca*****@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in message news:u0**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

--

Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio ..NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
Free resources for add-in developers:
http://www.mztools.com

"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf



Jan 15 '06 #6
I must be missing something. Is the following true?

1) it's free

2)It can do everything I presently do with VS20003 (I do not use database)
which is basically to write a solution with many VB and C# projects in it.
Thanks

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
What is missing in the Express edition?
I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project"
or "limited life"

Thanks

"Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <ca*****@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in
message news:u0**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

--

Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio
.NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
Free resources for add-in developers:
http://www.mztools.com

"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read
a
lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on
the
web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf



Jan 15 '06 #7

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I must be missing something. Is the following true?

1) it's free

2)It can do everything I presently do with VS20003 (I do not use database)
which is basically to write a solution with many VB and C# projects in it.


So it seems.

Jan 16 '06 #8
Yeah, But I think the point is whats missing, currently as I understand it,
you cant connect to anything but sqlexpress. And for a Database programmer,
that a big bummer. A great majority of buiseness apps are data centric. You
cant expect people to throwaway their tried and prooven database just to
test out express

Robert

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I must be missing something. Is the following true?

1) it's free

2)It can do everything I presently do with VS20003 (I do not use database)
which is basically to write a solution with many VB and C# projects in it.
Thanks

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
What is missing in the Express edition?
I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project" or "limited life"

Thanks

"Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <ca*****@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in
message news:u0**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

--

Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio
.NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
Free resources for add-in developers:
http://www.mztools.com

"_AnonCoward" <ab****@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Tl****************@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .

I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with the
VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
first.
Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on
the
web that gives specifics? TIA.
Ralf



Jan 16 '06 #9
I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you
can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.

So where's the problem :)

Cheers!
Cyril

Jan 16 '06 #10
Well,
Throu the vbexpress or C3express ide, I try and create a dbasebase
connection, select my SQl database, and get an error message, "An error
occured while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to
SQL Server 2005, ........"
To me that cannot connect
Also there is no sql explore or server explorer tree in the database
explorer window
But in VS2003 this aproach work with no problems

If I am oing something wrong please enlighten me
Robert

"Cyril Gupta" <no****@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Oa*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you
can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.

So where's the problem :)

Cheers!
Cyril

Jan 16 '06 #11
MS is a business not a charity.

There must be many programmers that have no interest in DB.

I have trouble believing the MS just gives away a good IDE to those
programmers free.

Do you expect that there will be no SP for the express version or some other
reason why users will be almost forced to upgrade later?

I'm not anti-MS, it just that businesses do not normally (and should not)
give way products unless they see a return in the future.

I'm using VS2003 now and don't want to spend what VS2005 cost but would love
it features.

I'm afraid later I'll have to convert back to VS2003 for some reason unknown
to me now.

Hate to belabor this but I hope you'll understand and comment.
Thanks
"Robert Bravery" <me@u.com> wrote in message
news:Os**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Well,
Throu the vbexpress or C3express ide, I try and create a dbasebase
connection, select my SQl database, and get an error message, "An error
occured while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to
SQL Server 2005, ........"
To me that cannot connect
Also there is no sql explore or server explorer tree in the database
explorer window
But in VS2003 this aproach work with no problems

If I am oing something wrong please enlighten me
Robert

"Cyril Gupta" <no****@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Oa*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you
can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.

So where's the problem :)

Cheers!
Cyril


Jan 16 '06 #12
I think that the return that MS hope to see by giving away expres versions
is a captured market. Forcing me to use and develop with all MS product is
worth double what you would pay for the express verion if sold.

Robert

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
MS is a business not a charity.

There must be many programmers that have no interest in DB.

I have trouble believing the MS just gives away a good IDE to those
programmers free.

Do you expect that there will be no SP for the express version or some other reason why users will be almost forced to upgrade later?

I'm not anti-MS, it just that businesses do not normally (and should not)
give way products unless they see a return in the future.

I'm using VS2003 now and don't want to spend what VS2005 cost but would love it features.

I'm afraid later I'll have to convert back to VS2003 for some reason unknown to me now.

Hate to belabor this but I hope you'll understand and comment.
Thanks
"Robert Bravery" <me@u.com> wrote in message
news:Os**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Well,
Throu the vbexpress or C3express ide, I try and create a dbasebase
connection, select my SQl database, and get an error message, "An error
occured while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, ........"
To me that cannot connect
Also there is no sql explore or server explorer tree in the database
explorer window
But in VS2003 this aproach work with no problems

If I am oing something wrong please enlighten me
Robert

"Cyril Gupta" <no****@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Oa*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.

So where's the problem :)

Cheers!
Cyril



Jan 16 '06 #13
Developer,

From Microsofts first good selling OS (Dos 1.0) has there been a development
tool for free to let people start developing for their OS and with that
makes there OS the most important one to use.

An OS has no sense if there are no programs for it. The best example for
that was a while OS/2 from IBM which was as OS better than NT. However with
almost no end user software so it died.

Microsoft needs software developers which make those programs to keep
Windows number one.

Cor
Jan 16 '06 #14

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
MS is a business not a charity.


I did not mean it that way, was mereley pointing out that there are
limitations,. Anyway, MS should not limit the product to connect to only one
version of its SQL server, I understand limiting a free package to only ms
servers, but limiting SQL2000, com on

Robert
..
Jan 16 '06 #15
True, well said

Robert
"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:eU*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
Developer,

From Microsofts first good selling OS (Dos 1.0) has there been a development tool for free to let people start developing for their OS and with that
makes there OS the most important one to use.

An OS has no sense if there are no programs for it. The best example for
that was a while OS/2 from IBM which was as OS better than NT. However with almost no end user software so it died.

Microsoft needs software developers which make those programs to keep
Windows number one.

Cor

Jan 16 '06 #16
thanks Cor and Robert
I'll try it

I hope I can have both it and VS2003 installed at the same time
"Robert Bravery" <me@u.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

" **Developer**" <RE*************@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
MS is a business not a charity.


I did not mean it that way, was mereley pointing out that there are
limitations,. Anyway, MS should not limit the product to connect to only
one
version of its SQL server, I understand limiting a free package to only ms
servers, but limiting SQL2000, com on

Robert
.

Jan 16 '06 #17
Absoutely. In fact I use 1.0, vs2003 and vs2005 every day.

Jan 17 '06 #18
thanks

<mm*******@capstonetechnology.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Absoutely. In fact I use 1.0, vs2003 and vs2005 every day.

Jan 17 '06 #19
thanks
<mm*******@capstonetechnology.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Absoutely. In fact I use 1.0, vs2003 and vs2005 every day.


Jan 17 '06 #20

" **Developer**" <> wrote in message
news:ui**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
MS is a business not a charity.

There must be many programmers that have no interest in DB.

I have trouble believing the MS just gives away a good IDE to those
programmers free.

Do you expect that there will be no SP for the express version or some
other reason why users will be almost forced to upgrade later?

I'm not anti-MS, it just that businesses do not normally (and should not)
give way products unless they see a return in the future.

....

I saw a comment that over 5 million programmers have NOT converted to .Net
from VB6. Even a slice of this is a big market, and it seems MS is doing
what it can to get them on the new track.

Feb 12 '06 #21
Homer,

I saw a comment that over 5 million programmers have NOT converted to .Net
from VB6. Even a slice of this is a big market, and it seems MS is doing
what it can to get them on the new track.

And what do you want to tell with that. I think that there are at least ten
times more computers still runing on MS-Dos.

Cor
Feb 13 '06 #22
Homer,

My message is not brute meant. I see that it can be read like that.

I could have made the sentence more friendly looking as it was meant.

:-)

Cor
Feb 13 '06 #23

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
I saw a comment that over 5 million programmers have NOT converted to
.Net from VB6. Even a slice of this is a big market, and it seems MS is
doing what it can to get them on the new track.
And what do you want to tell with that. I think that there are at least
ten times more computers still runing on MS-Dos.


Even I, who didn't want to upgrade from Win 3.1, am now running WinXP. I
don't think there are too many DOS only users these days! There are probably
more people running TRS-80s, Apples, Ataris and the like than MS-DOS only.


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