IDE vs Code

[David Gilbert]

Anyone remember Apple Basic... Line 10... Line 20... Line 30....

With all the progress that software companies have made with the IDE, when
does it start to be too much to use the IDE, instead of just creating what
you need manually.. For Instance...

Msgboxes.... From my understanding, you can create a form with the IDE, and
make it look like a message box, with some modifications to the properties
tab. However I can also create the form and controls manually via code.
But what is the best choice? With the size of the program that I'm working
on its getting tiresome, creating all of these forms for different tasks.
So it seems like I could just create these forms dynamically, and that way
there are not 500 forms in my IDE. I guess I could also create template
forms, and then just create my form from an IDE created form. Microsoft
people.... I'm curious, what your thoughts are about this......

Just in case someone replys to me about posting in this newsgroup... I'm a
vb.net programmer...

DG

[Lucas Tam]

"David Gilbert" <da***@NOSPAM.cfsmortgage.com> wrote in
news:#C**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

Msgboxes.... From my understanding, you can create a form with the
IDE, and make it look like a message box, with some modifications to
the properties tab.
Messageboxes are built in... so why recreate them - unless you need to
add your own buttons or features.

However I can also create the form and controls
manually via code. But what is the best choice?
If the form is static, I would create it in the designer. If you need to
dynamically add controls, I would add it code.

Typically it's easier to do layout in the IDE rather than specify all
the object locations in code.

With the size of the
program that I'm working on its getting tiresome, creating all of
these forms for different tasks.
Well, maybe what you need is a standard form, and then you inherit the
main form for all sub forms?
So it seems like I could just create
these forms dynamically, and that way there are not 500 forms in my
IDE. I guess I could also create template forms, and then just create
my form from an IDE created form. Microsoft people.... I'm curious,
what your thoughts are about this......

Sure you can create all your forms in code. What about future
maintainence? What about if you need to move objects around (i.e.
relayout the forms?). I bet it'll be a b***h to do in code...

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[Cor Ligthert]

David,

This is in my opinion an (probably) endless loop.

In the start there where only program languages,
Than people (as me) started to build simple designers to make work easier
Than people who could not code thought we can that as well (Or people like
us let that do by endusers)
Than people started making real tools for doing that made for endusers
Than people wanted more and started to code in those Tools
Than endusers would even more and there was more and deeper code needed like
with C
Than they made more effective program languages to do that than by instance
C

Harry Belefonte has a nice song from it. "There is a hole in the bucket" is
the name.

Just my thougth about your question.

:-)

Cor

"David Gilbert" <da***@NOSPAM.cfsmortgage.com>

Anyone remember Apple Basic... Line 10... Line 20... Line 30....

With all the progress that software companies have made with the IDE, when
does it start to be too much to use the IDE, instead of just creating what
you need manually.. For Instance...

Msgboxes.... From my understanding, you can create a form with the IDE,
and make it look like a message box, with some modifications to the
properties tab. However I can also create the form and controls manually
via code. But what is the best choice? With the size of the program that
I'm working on its getting tiresome, creating all of these forms for
different tasks. So it seems like I could just create these forms
dynamically, and that way there are not 500 forms in my IDE. I guess I
could also create template forms, and then just create my form from an IDE
created form. Microsoft people.... I'm curious, what your thoughts are
about this......

Just in case someone replys to me about posting in this newsgroup... I'm a
vb.net programmer...

DG

[David Gilbert]

well put
"Cor Ligthert" <no************@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

David,

This is in my opinion an (probably) endless loop.

In the start there where only program languages,
Than people (as me) started to build simple designers to make work easier
Than people who could not code thought we can that as well (Or people like
us let that do by endusers)
Than people started making real tools for doing that made for endusers
Than people wanted more and started to code in those Tools
Than endusers would even more and there was more and deeper code needed
like with C
Than they made more effective program languages to do that than by
instance C

Harry Belefonte has a nice song from it. "There is a hole in the bucket"
is the name.

Just my thougth about your question.

:-)

Cor

"David Gilbert" <da***@NOSPAM.cfsmortgage.com>

Anyone remember Apple Basic... Line 10... Line 20... Line 30....

With all the progress that software companies have made with the IDE,
when does it start to be too much to use the IDE, instead of just
creating what you need manually.. For Instance...

Msgboxes.... From my understanding, you can create a form with the IDE,
and make it look like a message box, with some modifications to the
properties tab. However I can also create the form and controls manually
via code. But what is the best choice? With the size of the program that
I'm working on its getting tiresome, creating all of these forms for
different tasks. So it seems like I could just create these forms
dynamically, and that way there are not 500 forms in my IDE. I guess I
could also create template forms, and then just create my form from an
IDE created form. Microsoft people.... I'm curious, what your thoughts
are about this......

Just in case someone replys to me about posting in this newsgroup... I'm
a vb.net programmer...

DG

[David Gilbert]

Exaclty the reason for creating custom ones...
"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
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"David Gilbert" <da***@NOSPAM.cfsmortgage.com> wrote in
news:#C**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

Msgboxes.... From my understanding, you can create a form with the
IDE, and make it look like a message box, with some modifications to
the properties tab.

Messageboxes are built in... so why recreate them - unless you need to
add your own buttons or features.

However I can also create the form and controls
manually via code. But what is the best choice?

If the form is static, I would create it in the designer. If you need to
dynamically add controls, I would add it code.

Typically it's easier to do layout in the IDE rather than specify all
the object locations in code.

With the size of the
program that I'm working on its getting tiresome, creating all of
these forms for different tasks.

Well, maybe what you need is a standard form, and then you inherit the
main form for all sub forms?

So it seems like I could just create
these forms dynamically, and that way there are not 500 forms in my
IDE. I guess I could also create template forms, and then just create
my form from an IDE created form. Microsoft people.... I'm curious,
what your thoughts are about this......

Sure you can create all your forms in code. What about future
maintainence? What about if you need to move objects around (i.e.
relayout the forms?). I bet it'll be a b***h to do in code...

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
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