Two Questions

[WStoreyII]

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

[Scott M.]

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
.net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of
an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
know
how to get my foot in the door.

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take a
test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look for.
If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry level.

[CJ Taylor]

First question pretty much answered already..

Second Question.

See PDF...

=)
"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about ..net and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

[WStoreyII]

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a
wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
.net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of
an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
know
how to get my foot in the door.

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take a
test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look for.
If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry level.

[CJ Taylor]

If you have a lot of extra picture frames at home and a lot of empty wall
space in your office as well as a need to be recognized for
psuedo-achievments then... yeah... go for it...

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a
wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
know
how to get my foot in the door.

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take a test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look for. If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry level.

[Aaron Smith]

WStoreyII wrote:

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

First question: I did that when I first started my career. So far, the
certification hasn't gotten me any more than a pat on the back. I have 8
years of VB experiance and no formal education. I still get a pat on the
back. I'm now going to school full time to get my Bachelors degree....
Take it all with a grain of salt. I could just have bad luck when
finding jobs. But if other people say the same thing I just did, I would
go that route than with certifications. Although, you can wait and ask
me in another 2.5 years and I will tell you if the Bachelors helped. :D

Second Question: I think Adobe Acrobat would be your best bet. You could
make the fields on it editable and then they can edit it in the Acrobat
reader. It can be pricey though.

--
---
Aaron Smith
Remove -1- to E-Mail me. Spam Sucks.

[Scott M.]

I believe the certs. are not going to be what gets you hired.

No offense to those with the certs., but many in the IT world believe that
having the cert. just means you know how to study for and take a test.

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a
wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

> First Question:
>
> Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
> afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
> .net
> and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
> need
> to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
> practical
> experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes
> of
> an
> employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
> helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
> know
> how to get my foot in the door.
>

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take
a
test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
for.
If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
level.

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

WStoreyII,
I would recommend the certificates, for no other reason it would be a good
indication to yourself what your strengths & weaknesses might be. Also it
would help in getting hired by a Microsoft Certified Partner (a company with
a certain number of Microsoft Certified Professionals (MCPs)).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/default.aspx

However like the others have stated, IMHO what matters is what you really
know, not that you were able to study for & complete an exam...

Hope this helps
Jay

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a
wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

> First Question:
>
> Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
> afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
> .net
> and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
> need
> to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
> practical
> experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes
> of
> an
> employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
> helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
> know
> how to get my foot in the door.
>

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take
a
test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
for.
If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
level.

[WStoreyII]

So you think that employers to feel this way? Becuase no offense but this is
who i need to convince?

Out of curiosity here has anyone in here gotten an it job in this nature? I
mean no exprience or certs or degrees just built an application and took it
on an interview and got hired?

if so what kind of app do i need to make i mean should it be asp win forms
ect?

One More question. Som of the experience that you need i dont have becuase
i have never used the software like for instance i saw and add for a job that
required knowledge of sql server 2000 my database experience is limited to
access as that is alls i have ever used or could afford. So what do you
recommend for that kind of thing?

WStorey II

Thanks For being so helpfull and honest.

"Scott M." wrote:

I believe the certs. are not going to be what gets you hired.

No offense to those with the certs., but many in the IT world believe that
having the cert. just means you know how to study for and take a test.

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a
wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...
> First Question:
>
> Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
> afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
> .net
> and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
> need
> to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
> practical
> experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes
> of
> an
> employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
> helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
> know
> how to get my foot in the door.
>

IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take
a
test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
for.
If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to
discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
level.

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

WStoreyII,

So you think that employers to feel this way? Becuase no offense but this
is
who i need to convince? Some do some don't. IMHO I don't think asking here is going to give you a
good indication of the numbers.
Out of curiosity here has anyone in here gotten an it job in this nature?
I
mean no exprience or certs or degrees just built an application and took
it
on an interview and got hired? I think working on a Open Source project, especially a popular one, would be
good, as some firms want experience for "apps being used".
One More question. Som of the experience that you need i dont have
becuase
i have never used the software like for instance i saw and add for a job
that
required knowledge of sql server 2000 my database experience is limited to
You can download & use the Microsoft SQL Server 2000 Desktop Engine (MSDE
2000) Release A.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

There is a "developer edition" available also, however I believe you pay a
small fee for it (I want to say around $50 US).

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ar_ts_8ynn.asp

Hope this helps
Jay

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:74**********************************@microsof t.com... So you think that employers to feel this way? Becuase no offense but this
is
who i need to convince?

Out of curiosity here has anyone in here gotten an it job in this nature?
I
mean no exprience or certs or degrees just built an application and took
it
on an interview and got hired?

if so what kind of app do i need to make i mean should it be asp win forms
ect?

One More question. Som of the experience that you need i dont have
becuase
i have never used the software like for instance i saw and add for a job
that
required knowledge of sql server 2000 my database experience is limited to
access as that is alls i have ever used or could afford. So what do you
recommend for that kind of thing?

WStorey II

Thanks For being so helpfull and honest.

"Scott M." wrote:

I believe the certs. are not going to be what gets you hired.

No offense to those with the certs., but many in the IT world believe
that
having the cert. just means you know how to study for and take a test.

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

> Thank you
> that is a good idea. I will try that.
>
> But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just
> basically a
> wast of time?
>
> WStoreyII
>
> "Scott M." wrote:
>
>>
>> "WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...
>> > First Question:
>> >
>> > Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i
>> > can't
>> > afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot
>> > about
>> > .net
>> > and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn
>> > what i
>> > need
>> > to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
>> > practical
>> > experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the
>> > eyes
>> > of
>> > an
>> > employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would
>> > be
>> > helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just
>> > dont
>> > know
>> > how to get my foot in the door.
>> >
>>
>> IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to
>> take
>> a
>> test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
>> for.
>> If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared
>> to
>> discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
>> programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
>> level.
>>
>>
>>

[CJ Taylor]

> So you think that employers to feel this way? Becuase no offense but this
is

who i need to convince?
Many do... I had a recruiter (for programming) tell me about all his
certifications.. blah blah blah.. but ask him a question relative to the
subject, couldn't answer it.

He seemed to be proudest of his A+ cert ;)


Out of curiosity here has anyone in here gotten an it job in this nature? I mean no exprience or certs or degrees just built an application and took it on an interview and got hired?

Yep... 2 of em... One for an ASP developer, 1 is the one I'm currently at.
I didn't have the best grades in college, but I could write a few apps that
people found interesting..
if so what kind of app do i need to make i mean should it be asp win forms
ect?

What do you want to do? It depends on the application. Is it a best fit for
a desktop app? Why? Web App? and why? Platform isn't as important as
your reason for using that platform. That's more of a business decision
though..
One More question. Som of the experience that you need i dont have becuase i have never used the software like for instance i saw and add for a job that required knowledge of sql server 2000 my database experience is limited to
access as that is alls i have ever used or could afford. So what do you
recommend for that kind of thing?

Yeah... you'll be suprised who actually has SQL 2000 experience and who
doesnt. =) Or at least what people *claim* is SQL 2000 experience...

BTW, you can afford SQL 2000... See MSDE.. all it is is a toned down version
of SQL 2000... (2gb DB limit, 1gb Memory limit... 2 or 4 processors max
(don't remember))
WStorey II

Thanks For being so helpfull and honest.

"Scott M." wrote:

I believe the certs. are not going to be what gets you hired.

No offense to those with the certs., but many in the IT world believe that having the cert. just means you know how to study for and take a test.

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thank you
that is a good idea. I will try that.

But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just basically a wast of time?

WStoreyII

"Scott M." wrote:

>
> "WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...
> > First Question:
> >
> > Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't> > afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about> > .net
> > and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i> > need
> > to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
> > practical
> > experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes> > of
> > an
> > employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be> > helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont> > know
> > how to get my foot in the door.
> >
>
> IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to take> a
> test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
> for.
> If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared to> discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with> programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
> level.
>
>
>

[Gerry O'Brien [MVP]]

Hmmm, a few interesting posts about this one for sure.

I think that you just answered your first question yourself. What kind of
weight would you put behind a certification that you can achieve by simply
studying for and passing the exams? To be able to do this means that you
can do one thing, study for and pass an exam. Can you write software? We
don't know.

There is a lot more to writing software than just being able to open Visual
Studio .NET, type in some code and compile it into an application.

The whole MCSD track aims to get you thinking about the whole software
development concept. From gathering requirements from a customer, to
architecting the application, to writing it and then finally, maintaining
it.

If you do not have experience, most employers will not look at you anyway,
regardless of the paper work you carry.

I like one suggestion here. Write an application or two on your own and
create a portfolio to take with you to prospective employers. Proving your
skills in this way will be much better than certifications.

I have my MCSD in VB6, working on .NET, my MCDBA in SQL Server, MCP in OS's,
and none of these has ever gotten my hired with the exception of one
employer. They were a CTEC and required you to have certs prior to teaching
the MOC courses from Microsoft.

I too am doing a University course to obtain, for starters, a University
Certificate in Computing and Information Systems. Why? Because I also have
no former training in IT or programming. This piece of paper, that so many
hiring managers seem to want, coupled with my experience, should help me in
the event I should become unemployed again.

So, even though I have my certs, my recommendation to you is this:

Get your experience first, certs last. A good portfolio goes a long way
with employers.

Oh yeah, get SQL Server or another SQL based enterprise DB application and
learn it. So much programming involves data access today that you really
need that knowledge as well.

Good luck but most of all, have fun while doing it!

--
Gerry O'Brien MCT, MCDBA, MCSD
Visual Developer .NET MVP
"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about
.net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i
need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of
an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont
know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form
editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i
do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

[Scott M.]

> So you think that employers to feel this way? Becuase no offense but this

is
who i need to convince?
Yes, that's what I've been saying. Employers want experience, not certs.
Out of curiosity here has anyone in here gotten an it job in this nature?
I
mean no exprience or certs or degrees just built an application and took
it
on an interview and got hired?
Yes, but only at the entry level. When I suggested you build an app. that
you can show and talk about with a prospective employer, I said that
because, at the very least, it will give an employer some idea of your
skills.
if so what kind of app do i need to make i mean should it be asp win forms
ect?
It could be anything, but something that is database-driven, that is broken
into logical tiers (UI, Buisness, Data) and follows all best practices of
OOP and general guidelines (like using MS recommendations for naming
conventions in MS languages, for example).
One More question. Som of the experience that you need i dont have
becuase
i have never used the software like for instance i saw and add for a job
that
required knowledge of sql server 2000 my database experience is limited to
access as that is alls i have ever used or could afford. So what do you
recommend for that kind of thing?
The MSDE (MS Data Engine) is a one user licensed version of SQL Server.
Stop using Access and start using MSDE (available for free - dowloadable
from msdn.microsoft.com).


WStorey II

Thanks For being so helpfull and honest.

"Scott M." wrote:

I believe the certs. are not going to be what gets you hired.

No offense to those with the certs., but many in the IT world believe
that
having the cert. just means you know how to study for and take a test.

"WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E4**********************************@microsof t.com...

> Thank you
> that is a good idea. I will try that.
>
> But would you still recommend the certificates or is that just
> basically a
> wast of time?
>
> WStoreyII
>
> "Scott M." wrote:
>
>>
>> "WStoreyII" <WS*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E0**********************************@microsof t.com...
>> > First Question:
>> >
>> > Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i
>> > can't
>> > afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot
>> > about
>> > .net
>> > and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn
>> > what i
>> > need
>> > to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no
>> > practical
>> > experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the
>> > eyes
>> > of
>> > an
>> > employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would
>> > be
>> > helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just
>> > dont
>> > know
>> > how to get my foot in the door.
>> >
>>
>> IMHO, the certification only tells an employer that you know how to
>> take
>> a
>> test. Real-world, practical experience is what an employer will look
>> for.
>> If you don't have that, build an application yourself and be prepared
>> to
>> discuss it with a potential employer. In the absence of a resume with
>> programming on it, they may be willing to start you out at the entry
>> level.
>>
>>
>>

[WStoreyII]

So are there any guidelines for a portfolio that i should make?

like should it be only written stuff or should i bring a disk or put up a
webpage
can i only use a project that was created for someone
or could i make up a hypothetical situation like ms did with the northwind
database?

any websites on the subject or book recommendations would be greatly
appreciated.

WStoreyII

Thanks Again

"WStoreyII" wrote:

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

[Aaron Smith]

I don't know of any "guidelines". You could put together a CD with some
programs that you wrote, but the problem there is you will need to have
them packaged up for install. If they don't want to install it, it will
get over looked, or if they have a PC issue, then it will look like your
fault. I've seen two people now take in a three ring binder with source
code printed and some nice color screen shots of the program in various
stages. The one guy wrote a couple of programs. One balanced his check
book for him, the other stored all his CDs complete with lyrics, and
cover pictures. The other guy had a somewhat complete financial
accounting program. Both of them had about 150 - 200 pages of code in
the book and 20 - 30 screen shots. What they told me, is while they were
talking, the interviewers flipped through the book. They didn't spend a
lot of time looking at the code, but they did the screenshots. They both
were hired. But that was only 2 guys, and I don't know that many
programmers. So take it with a grain of salt. I have a portfolio put
together now that I update every time I do something at home, just in
case I need to find another job.

I don't know how well a web site would work. If you give them a web site
to look at, unless they are interested in you already, they may not take
the time to visit the site. I would make sure you have something to hand
them to look at while in the interview. Be prepared to explain why you
wrote it, how you went about it, why you did it a certain way as opposed
to other ways, and what the end results where. Ex. Did your friends like
it and use it?

Here is a general web site about portfolios in general.
http://www.heraldtimesjobs.com/article.php?n=8

The hardest part for you is going to be landing that first job,
especially with no degree. I don't know what area you are from, but in
Detroit it has been REALLY hard for programmers to find work. There are
still a lot of them looking.

WStoreyII wrote:

So are there any guidelines for a portfolio that i should make?

like should it be only written stuff or should i bring a disk or put up a
webpage
can i only use a project that was created for someone
or could i make up a hypothetical situation like ms did with the northwind
database?

any websites on the subject or book recommendations would be greatly
appreciated.

WStoreyII

Thanks Again

"WStoreyII" wrote:

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII

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[WStoreyII]

What about toe charts and flowcharts how often are those used in the line of
work?
i dont know to much about them. I was wondering if anyone had any good
links to how to make good toe charts or flow charts?

WStoreyII

"WStoreyII" wrote:

First Question:

Due to the hours of my job i can not go to school right now and i can't
afford online classes. My questions is that i have learned a lot about .net
and i am pretty sure that if i got the right books i could learn what i need
to pass a test for the .net certification. Of course i have no practical
experience. Which brings me to my question. How credible in the eyes of an
employer would a certification be? Any other input or advice would be
helpfull as well. I really want a career in programming but just dont know
how to get my foot in the door.

Second Question:

I know that htis is not the right newsgroup for this but did not know of
another newsgroup to post to. I have a form that i use for my company and
have scanned. but i need to be able to make the fields on this form editable
so that i can print an exact copy of this form with data on it. How can i do
this with out making an application for it. Can it be done in ms word?

WStoreyII