At&T Considers Linux - Beginning of the end for Microsoft

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

Christopher,
You may want to check out Mono.

Mono has released a Mono 1.0 that allows you to run .NET applications
(including VB.NET applications) on Linux, Windows, and MAC OS!

http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html

Hope this helps
Jay

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Tom Dacon]

"Beginning of the end for Microsoft"...

I could just pinch your cheeks...
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Richard L Rosenheim]

You might find the fact that UNIX was created at Bell Labs relevant. And
Linux is conceptually based upon UNIX. So, you could say that ATT is really
just returning to its roots.

Richard Rosenheim

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Cor Ligthert]

Christopher,

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Are those pages the equivalent to MSDN, than the VBNet developers should all
feel very happy.

For the rest, I thought forever that AT&T was using Unix or a derived
systems from that, maybe foolish to think from me because they want to stay
on the market as well.

Just my 2 eurocents

Cor

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

What do you mean?

Christopher
"Tom Dacon" <td****@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:uK**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

"Beginning of the end for Microsoft"...

I could just pinch your cheeks...
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of
us VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

That's true. But when a large company which uses one software product for so
long decides to switch to another, that turns heads. I think that this will
truly drive the Linux movement to the point where desktop users may start to
seriously consider Linux. Right now the end-user feels that Microsoft
Windows is the only choice since (1) it runs all of their software and (2)
the conception of Linux is that it is for geeks and therefore hard to use.

Just a thought.
Christopher

"Richard L Rosenheim" <ri*****@rlr.com> wrote in message
news:OV****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

You might find the fact that UNIX was created at Bell Labs relevant. And
Linux is conceptually based upon UNIX. So, you could say that ATT is
really
just returning to its roots.

Richard Rosenheim

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of
us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

As always, very very weak "arguments". The existence of a huge number of
worms/... does not allow implications on the security of a system.

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[Bonj]

At the end of the day, linux is great - but the only real programming
language that's viable for it is C++ (yes, OK - there's mono, but the main
thing about .NET is building RAD applications, and that means intellisense,
wizards, etc. - it's the MS IDE that does it for windows development) - which
I'm sure we'd all have a much more fun time doing, but at the end of the day
people there are always going to be beencounters that want to see results in
Excel. They can on windows, so they'll not accept a system in which they
can't.
Corporate mass server systems and backends might benefit though, but most of
them probably don't scare Microsoft much, because they probably already do
use either unix or linux.

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Security is not the only arguement here.

You also have costs (HUGE factor) and reliability. You can't argue much
there.

Christopher

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

As always, very very weak "arguments". The existence of a huge number of
worms/... does not allow implications on the security of a system.

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

"Bonj" <Bo**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F**********************************@microsof t.com...

At the end of the day, linux is great - but the only real programming
language that's viable for it is C++ (yes, OK - there's mono, but the main
thing about .NET is building RAD applications, and that means
intellisense,
wizards, etc. - it's the MS IDE that does it for windows development) -
which
I'm sure we'd all have a much more fun time doing, but at the end of the
day
people there are always going to be beencounters that want to see results
in
Excel. They can on windows, so they'll not accept a system in which they
can't.
With Codeweaver's Crossover that is no longer an argument. Besides,
Microsoft is just not doing anything innovating like what the Open Source
community are doing. Look at IE, that hasn't been truly updated since around
1999-2000. Also, the Windows OS seems to get a new security threat every
other day. Meanwhile, the distributions of Linux are constantly changing and
evolving. More and more people are realizing that you can have a system that
is tailored exactly to your needs as opposed to a generic operating system.
Corporate mass server systems and backends might benefit though, but most
of
them probably don't scare Microsoft much, because they probably already do
use either unix or linux.

That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other organizations
are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher

[Ken Dopierala Jr.]

Hi Christopher,

Besides, Microsoft is just not doing anything innovating
like what the Open Source community are doing.
Can't you see the irony of typing something like that into a ".NET"
newsgroup? Lose your ignorance my friend, then you'll lose your fear. Good
luck! Ken.

--
Ken Dopierala Jr.
For great ASP.Net web hosting try:
http://www.webhost4life.com/default.asp?refid=Spinlight
If you sign up under me and need help, email me.

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:et**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
"Bonj" <Bo**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F**********************************@microsof t.com...

At the end of the day, linux is great - but the only real programming
language that's viable for it is C++ (yes, OK - there's mono, but the main thing about .NET is building RAD applications, and that means
intellisense,
wizards, etc. - it's the MS IDE that does it for windows development) -
which
I'm sure we'd all have a much more fun time doing, but at the end of the
day
people there are always going to be beencounters that want to see results in
Excel. They can on windows, so they'll not accept a system in which they
can't.
With Codeweaver's Crossover that is no longer an argument. Besides,
Microsoft is just not doing anything innovating like what the Open Source
community are doing. Look at IE, that hasn't been truly updated since

around 1999-2000. Also, the Windows OS seems to get a new security threat every
other day. Meanwhile, the distributions of Linux are constantly changing and evolving. More and more people are realizing that you can have a system that is tailored exactly to your needs as opposed to a generic operating system.

Corporate mass server systems and backends might benefit though, but most of
them probably don't scare Microsoft much, because they probably already do use either unix or linux.
That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other

organizations are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher

[Cor Ligthert]

Ken,

Everybody got an answer from him except Jay and me should I be sad or happy?

Cor

[CJ Taylor]

> Security is not the only arguement here.

You also have costs (HUGE factor) and reliability. You can't argue much
there.
Yes you can... Just becuase linux is open source and *free* to download
certainly doesn't mean its free to maintain.

Read up on VA Linux... There's a company that tried to go public with it...
failed...

Cost is still there, it just has a new name "maintenance agreement"


Christopher

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

As always, very very weak "arguments". The existence of a huge number of worms/... does not allow implications on the security of a system.

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[CJ Taylor]

Hi-ho-the linux-o a trolling we will go...
"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:et**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

"Bonj" <Bo**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F**********************************@microsof t.com...

At the end of the day, linux is great - but the only real programming
language that's viable for it is C++ (yes, OK - there's mono, but the main thing about .NET is building RAD applications, and that means
intellisense,
wizards, etc. - it's the MS IDE that does it for windows development) -
which
I'm sure we'd all have a much more fun time doing, but at the end of the
day
people there are always going to be beencounters that want to see results in
Excel. They can on windows, so they'll not accept a system in which they
can't.
With Codeweaver's Crossover that is no longer an argument. Besides,
Microsoft is just not doing anything innovating like what the Open Source
community are doing. Look at IE, that hasn't been truly updated since

around 1999-2000. Also, the Windows OS seems to get a new security threat every
other day. Meanwhile, the distributions of Linux are constantly changing and evolving. More and more people are realizing that you can have a system that is tailored exactly to your needs as opposed to a generic operating system.

Corporate mass server systems and backends might benefit though, but most of
them probably don't scare Microsoft much, because they probably already do use either unix or linux.
That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other

organizations are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

Cor,
Personally I'm indifferent that Christopher did not respond, as I consider
the fact that AT&T is considering Linux desktops a non-issue.

Personally choosing Linux over Windows is akin to picking BMW over Mercedes
or picking Ford over Chevy or picking Honda over Toyota. In the end they
both get the job done, does it really matter?

Especially with projects such as Mono were you can run VB.NET applications
on Linux?

Just a thought
Jay
"Cor Ligthert" <no************@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Ken,

Everybody got an answer from him except Jay and me should I be sad or
happy?

Cor

[Charlie Smith]

> That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other organizations

are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher,

You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.

I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.

Regards,
Oldcharlie

[Dennis]

Just curious if all know who owns the patent on the FAT file system?
Microsoft of course. Second quesiton, what file system does Linux use? FAT
of course!

"Charlie Smith" wrote:

That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other organizations
are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher,

You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.

I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.

Regards,
Oldcharlie

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Linux doesn't use just the FAT file system, the OS can use ReiserFS, XFS,
NFS, and Ext 2 or 3. There are even more filesystems that Linux can use. The
only common reason people used Linux on the FAT file system was when people
wanted to dual boot with windows 95/98/Me without repartitioning.

Christopher
"Dennis" <De****@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31**********************************@microsof t.com...

Just curious if all know who owns the patent on the FAT file system?
Microsoft of course. Second quesiton, what file system does Linux use?
FAT
of course!

"Charlie Smith" wrote:

> That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other
> organizations
> are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more
> and
> more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher,

You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.

I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.

Regards,
Oldcharlie

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

I just want to discuss the Linux operating system. I never meant to argue or
to offend anyone.

I don't understand why you have to say I am trolling, I consider that very
disrespectful.

If you didn't like my post you didn't have to respond.

Christopher

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:uA**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

Hi-ho-the linux-o a trolling we will go...
"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:et**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

"Bonj" <Bo**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F**********************************@microsof t.com...

> At the end of the day, linux is great - but the only real programming
> language that's viable for it is C++ (yes, OK - there's mono, but the main > thing about .NET is building RAD applications, and that means
> intellisense,
> wizards, etc. - it's the MS IDE that does it for windows development) -
> which
> I'm sure we'd all have a much more fun time doing, but at the end of
> the
> day
> people there are always going to be beencounters that want to see results > in
> Excel. They can on windows, so they'll not accept a system in which
> they
> can't.

With Codeweaver's Crossover that is no longer an argument. Besides,
Microsoft is just not doing anything innovating like what the Open Source
community are doing. Look at IE, that hasn't been truly updated since

around

1999-2000. Also, the Windows OS seems to get a new security threat every
other day. Meanwhile, the distributions of Linux are constantly changing

and

evolving. More and more people are realizing that you can have a system

that

is tailored exactly to your needs as opposed to a generic operating

system.

> Corporate mass server systems and backends might benefit though, but most > of
> them probably don't scare Microsoft much, because they probably already do > use either unix or linux.

That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other

organizations

are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more
and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:u8*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Security is not the only arguement here.

You also have costs (HUGE factor) and reliability. You can't argue much
there.
Yes you can... Just becuase linux is open source and *free* to download
certainly doesn't mean its free to maintain.

But you also have to look at the operating systems that are just as easy to
use as Windows, Support many Windows Apps, and are either lower cost or free
to download. One example is Xandros Linux.

Read up on VA Linux... There's a company that tried to go public with
it...
failed...
True, but take a look at RedHat.

Cost is still there, it just has a new name "maintenance agreement"
Maintenance is going to be there on every OS. But when was the last time you
heard a major security outbreak brought down 100,000's of Linux systems?

Christopher

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> "Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:
>> Here is the story from Linux.org:
>> http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html
>
> As always, very very weak "arguments". The existence of a huge number of > worms/... does not allow implications on the security of a system.
>
> --
> Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
> <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[Dennis]

Everyone I know that has tried Linux has tried it on the FAT file system
since that's by far the most popular. I can't see the general comsumer using
the other file systems! Anyway, go ahead and switch!

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" wrote:

Linux doesn't use just the FAT file system, the OS can use ReiserFS, XFS,
NFS, and Ext 2 or 3. There are even more filesystems that Linux can use. The
only common reason people used Linux on the FAT file system was when people
wanted to dual boot with windows 95/98/Me without repartitioning.

Christopher
"Dennis" <De****@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31**********************************@microsof t.com...

Just curious if all know who owns the patent on the FAT file system?
Microsoft of course. Second quesiton, what file system does Linux use?
FAT
of course!

"Charlie Smith" wrote:

> That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other
> organizations
> are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more
> and
> more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher,

You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.

I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.

Regards,
Oldcharlie

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Actually, reiserfs, ext 2, and 3 are the most popular. That is the default
filesystem that most automated Linux Installtion CD's use. Linux doesn't
even work reliably on FAT filesystems because that was optimized for
Microsoft's Windows 3.1/95/98. Besides, the FAT filesystem has overhead when
it comes to maintenance, performance, and has NEXT TO NOTHING when it comes
to security. The entire linux operating system is built on a security model.

Christopher

"Dennis" <De****@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:52**********************************@microsof t.com...

Everyone I know that has tried Linux has tried it on the FAT file system
since that's by far the most popular. I can't see the general comsumer
using
the other file systems! Anyway, go ahead and switch!

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" wrote:

Linux doesn't use just the FAT file system, the OS can use ReiserFS, XFS,
NFS, and Ext 2 or 3. There are even more filesystems that Linux can use.
The
only common reason people used Linux on the FAT file system was when
people
wanted to dual boot with windows 95/98/Me without repartitioning.

Christopher
"Dennis" <De****@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31**********************************@microsof t.com...

> Just curious if all know who owns the patent on the FAT file system?
> Microsoft of course. Second quesiton, what file system does Linux use?
> FAT
> of course!
>
> "Charlie Smith" wrote:
>
>> > That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other
>> > organizations
>> > are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday
>> > more
>> > and
>> > more people are learning about Linux and switching over.
>>
>> Christopher,
>>
>> You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
>> later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
>> someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.
>>
>> I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
>> for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
>> in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
>> researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Oldcharlie
>>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

it comes to maintenance, performance, and has NEXT TO
NOTHING when it comes to security. The entire linux operating
system is built on a security model.

That's all very OT, and I am not sure if your post was a troll post...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[Aaron Smith]

What? Last I checked Linux used it's own fle system. There are distros
that can run on a FAT partition, but a real distribution installs in
Ext2Fs (Linux).

Dennis wrote:

Just curious if all know who owns the patent on the FAT file system?
Microsoft of course. Second quesiton, what file system does Linux use? FAT
of course!

"Charlie Smith" wrote:

That doesn't scare Microsoft, but the fact that AT&T and other organizations
are changing the FRONT-ENDs from their OS to Linux does! Everyday more and
more people are learning about Linux and switching over.

Christopher,

You should read the whole article. Mr. Eslambolchi stated in the
later part of the article that he may not switch at all. Just because
someone is researching something doesn't make it a done deal.

I have researched Linux for several years now to see if it is viable
for my clients. As it exists today, it isn't. Maybe that will change
in the future, and maybe not, but the fact that I have been
researching the possibilities doesn't mean anything in itself.

Regards,
Oldcharlie

--
---
Aaron Smith
Remove -1- to E-Mail me. Spam Sucks.

[Aaron Smith]

Christopher Kurtis Koeber wrote:

Maintenance is going to be there on every OS. But when was the last time you
heard a major security outbreak brought down 100,000's of Linux systems?

Wasn't there a couple of those? I don't remember completely, but I
thought there was an apache problem and some sort of Worm that targeted
linux that cause some issues.

Plus, you can't look at numbers like that as a whole. Put it into terms
of even numbers. How many linux systems are running publically on the
internet compared to how many windows systems are. I haven't done the
math, so don't flame me for saying it. :) But I would imagine the
numbers would even out.
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[CJ Taylor]

>

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:u8*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Security is not the only arguement here.

You also have costs (HUGE factor) and reliability. You can't argue much there.
Yes you can... Just becuase linux is open source and *free* to download
certainly doesn't mean its free to maintain.

But you also have to look at the operating systems that are just as easy

to use as Windows, Support many Windows Apps, and are either lower cost or free to download. One example is Xandros Linux.

Read up on VA Linux... There's a company that tried to go public with
it...
failed...
True, but take a look at RedHat.

Yeah.. Redhat... there is a quality company..

IPO Price... ~ 30
Surge Price... ~ 250
Current Price... ~13

Redhat barely survived because of the same issues revolving around VA Linux.
Cost a LOT of people a LOT of money...

You don't see Microsoft doing that...

Cost is still there, it just has a new name "maintenance agreement"

Maintenance is going to be there on every OS. But when was the last time

you heard a major security outbreak brought down 100,000's of Linux systems?

As stated.. you would have to compare them to the number of windows users.
Why don't crackers prey on Linux users? Because most linux users are pretty
advanced guys that protect themselves well. However, most REGULAR users do
not have the mental capacity to user an OS like linux.

No one denies that linux isn't a great operating system. I don't deny
that.. But to most users, it's too diffucult to use and set up. Most
people would rather have an OS they don't have to think with... Why do you
think sitcoms are only 30 mins long? =|)

Christopher

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> "Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:
>> Here is the story from Linux.org:
>> http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html
>
> As always, very very weak "arguments". The existence of a huge

number of

> worms/... does not allow implications on the security of a system.
>
> --
> Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
> <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[hamil]

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" wrote:

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of us
VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

I just have to comment here, probably not appropriate but anyway...
I work at JPL. It seems to me that almost all computers there that are
affiliated with our spacecraft projects are Suns. Perhaps its because
historically Suns running Solaris (Unix) were considered stable and reliable,
expecially compared to DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 98, etc. In my projects, I could
not afford a Sun, about $15K, I recall, so I went to the cheap PCs as a
platform. I just bought a few e-machines, $500 ea, and am planning on
writing some antenna control programs in VB.net. My coharts have now mostly
converted to Linux on PCs thinking this is almost equal to Solaris and runs
on a cheaper platform. When I mention I am trying to use VB.net, I get the
raised eyebrows along with comments bad-mouthing Microsoft.

Any thoughts here??? Should I start looking for another job??
Hamil

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Sorry, but what does OT mean?

Christopher
"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

it comes to maintenance, performance, and has NEXT TO
NOTHING when it comes to security. The entire linux operating
system is built on a security model.

That's all very OT, and I am not sure if your post was a troll post...

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Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>

[Christopher Kurtis Koeber]

Dear Jay,
I spent some time trying out this project before I responded, and I must
say that it is pretty neat! It ran all of my .NET apps without any
motification! I guess .NET does have a future! Thanks!

If only the VB 6 apps worked in Linux way back when ...

Christopher
"Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]" <Ja************@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Christopher,
You may want to check out Mono.

Mono has released a Mono 1.0 that allows you to run .NET applications
(including VB.NET applications) on Linux, Windows, and MAC OS!

http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html

Hope this helps
Jay

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:u2*************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

Here is the story from Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/news/2004/10/05/0009.html

I just want to know what everyone thinks on the issue. What will all of
us VB developers do, there isn't much of an equivalent language in Linux?

Any comments?
Christopher

[CJ Taylor]

Off Topic.
"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:eH*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Sorry, but what does OT mean?

Christopher
"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

"Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <c_******@myrealbox.com> schrieb:

it comes to maintenance, performance, and has NEXT TO
NOTHING when it comes to security. The entire linux operating
system is built on a security model.

That's all very OT, and I am not sure if your post was a troll post...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>