Question: Java vs. vb.net development

[Mitch]

Scenario:
Heavily data driven application to be written.
Relies on huge SQL database to pull information in real time, outputs
created tables into excel and word documents for customer outputs.
Client wishes to use Java as a web based application as opposed to a vb.net
or even c#.net web based solution.

Does anyone see why they wish to use java as a web based application vs and
..net solution?
Thanks for any feedback. I would prefer to see them use a .net solution
myself.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Mitch" <no*****@address.com> scripsit:

Heavily data driven application to be written.
Relies on huge SQL database to pull information in real time, outputs
created tables into excel and word documents for customer outputs.
Client wishes to use Java as a web based application as opposed to a vb.net
or even c#.net web based solution.
Does the client wish JSP pages or Java applets?
Does anyone see why they wish to use java as a web based application vs and
.net solution?

I don't know, but I would try to avoid hybrid solutions.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

[Mitch]

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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* "Mitch" <no*****@address.com> scripsit:

Heavily data driven application to be written.
Relies on huge SQL database to pull information in real time, outputs
created tables into excel and word documents for customer outputs.
Client wishes to use Java as a web based application as opposed to a vb.net or even c#.net web based solution.
Does the client wish JSP pages or Java applets?

The program the client envisions is an entire web based application, using
java applets run within the web browser environment.

Does anyone see why they wish to use java as a web based application vs and .net solution?
I don't know, but I would try to avoid hybrid solutions.

I just see a whole lot of trouble brewing here... considering a couple other
of their apps are java based and they slow and unreliable.
Changing their minds is not even an option, so I will probably pass on this.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

[Cor Ligthert]

Mitch,

Can be everything, one of them can be that they have shares Sun, or maybe
they find the name Java very nice.

Why is this sentence

vb.net or even c#.net web based solution.

C# is from Microsoft and certainly when it is about the Web nowhere better
than VBNet, however it sounds maybe as well more sharp.

Maybe you also have something with just a name, why should your client not
have that.

Cor

[Mitch]

"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
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Mitch,

Can be everything, one of them can be that they have shares Sun, or maybe
they find the name Java very nice.
True, perhaps they do own shares in it :). None of my business though.

Why is this sentence

vb.net or even c#.net web based solution.
C# is from Microsoft and certainly when it is about the Web nowhere better
than VBNet, however it sounds maybe as well more sharp.

That would an error on my part, I was trying to express the idea of using a
..net solution and I should of stated it in different terms.

Maybe you also have something with just a name, why should your client not
have that.
No, I dont have any preference, I just want to understand their dire want of
Java. Based on their past application experience I would like to think they
would want something better then their past experiences, _not_ saying that
Java isnt as good etc, but if I was the client and had something that wasnt
performing on the hardware I had, I wouldnt go looking down that same route
again.

I can completely understand your points of view though.
Cor

[Ralph]

"Mitch" <no*****@address.com> wrote in message
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<snipped>
I just see a whole lot of trouble brewing here... considering a couple other of their apps are java based and they slow and unreliable.
Changing their minds is not even an option, so I will probably pass on this.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

I can appreciate you are only joking - "I will probably pass on this." But,
IMHO, it is probably the wisest course of action.

In 25+ years of IT (10 years Unix) - I have never seen such anomosity that
exists between the Java crowd and M$ in the current environment. - I would
judge the atmosphere as bordering on hysteria.

Perhaps it has been just my turn to draw from the 'nightmare client barrel',
but after several experiences over the last couple of years, were even the
simplest design effort turned into a battlefield - I will not go back there.

-ralph

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Ralph" <nt*************@hotmail.com> scripsit:

I just see a whole lot of trouble brewing here... considering a couple

other

of their apps are java based and they slow and unreliable.
Changing their minds is not even an option, so I will probably pass on

this.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

I can appreciate you are only joking - "I will probably pass on this." But,
IMHO, it is probably the wisest course of action.

In 25+ years of IT (10 years Unix) - I have never seen such anomosity that
exists between the Java crowd and M$ in the current environment. - I would
judge the atmosphere as bordering on hysteria.

I think that a .NET-only solution is better than a solution that is a
mix between .NET and Java. This doesn't mean that Java is bad (the
code conventions for Java are stupid), but a presentation layer written
in Java for a .NET backend is not the best solution.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

[Hal Rosser]

Yeah -
They don't want to have to upgrade every 2 years - or
they want to use an affordable OS like linux - or a dependable OS like
OS/400
or - they want to be able to move the app from one machine to another later

"Mitch" <no*****@address.com> wrote in message
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Scenario:
Heavily data driven application to be written.
Relies on huge SQL database to pull information in real time, outputs
created tables into excel and word documents for customer outputs.
Client wishes to use Java as a web based application as opposed to a vb.net or even c#.net web based solution.

Does anyone see why they wish to use java as a web based application vs and .net solution?
Thanks for any feedback. I would prefer to see them use a .net solution
myself.

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[Ralph]

"Hal Rosser" <hm******@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Yeah -
They don't want to have to upgrade every 2 years - or
they want to use an affordable OS like linux - or a dependable OS like
OS/400
or - they want to be able to move the app from one machine to another later

All very valid considerations.

However, without going into the details of the "trade-offs" involved - it
still doesn't address the main problem, and that is the impediance mismatch
between M$ .NET and Java Platform solutions. While it is possible (and even
feasible) to coordinate the two environments at some higher level, the
ability to integrate deteriorates rapidily with the granularity of the
design.

While I have had the occasional success and have read of successful
solutions - my experience has shown it is generally not productive to "go
there", if you don't have to. YMMV <g>

-ralph