Hallo,
One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
This behaviour is well known because in this case the message stays in most
newsreaders in top op the reader.
The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
For those who are new can have the excuse that they did not see it, however
strange is that those messages are mostly especially answered by people who
should know that in my opinion.
No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
46  1476 
What thread are you referring to?
"scorpion53061" <sc************@nospamhereeveryahoo.com> schrieb What thread are you referring to?
The one from tomorrow. :))
--
Armin
On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:30:13 +0200, Cor Ligthert wrote: One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
I use 40tude Dialog as my news reader. When a future post is made, I just
hit delete and it is gone.
--
Chris
To send me an E-mail, remove the "[", "]", underscores ,lunchmeat, and
replace certain words in my E-Mail address.
Hi Chris,
I answer this because with this I can tell what in my opinion happens, for
you it is for me it is as you say, however for new ones who look to
newsgroup the first time see now every time the same messages in top. It
seems that there is no activity.
When you did look some months ago, there have been a long while been a
message in top of this newsgroup.
In that time there came every day less new visitors to this newsgroup.
Now it is in my opinion growing again.
However, this is just my idea.
Cor
What is the title of the offending post?
"Chris Dunaway" <"dunawayc[[at]_lunchmeat_sbcglobal[dot]]net"> wrote in
message news:vc****************************@40tude.net... On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:30:13 +0200, Cor Ligthert wrote:
One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
I use 40tude Dialog as my news reader. When a future post is made, I just
hit delete and it is gone.
--
Chris
To send me an E-mail, remove the "[", "]", underscores ,lunchmeat, and
replace certain words in my E-Mail address.
* "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> scripsit: One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
Where in the netiquette did you read that?
BTW: Most newsreaders have the ablilty to delete these messages, so it should
not be a big problem if the replies are dated correctly.
The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
The netiquette or you say that?
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
Hi Herfried,
Your message is in my eyes quite offending.
I hope that I have never told people here what to do, I always only ask
that.
I have not the authority to do that so how could I do that, beside that I do
not want to do that.
I have in past seen to many bad examples in this newsgroup.
When I write something as this I have read that.
You know what Google is, do a search on Nettiquette and newsgroups.
(It is not only on one page)
Cor
bad examples of what Cor?
"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:uY**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... Hi Herfried,
Your message is in my eyes quite offending.
I hope that I have never told people here what to do, I always only ask
that.
I have not the authority to do that so how could I do that, beside that I
do not want to do that.
I have in past seen to many bad examples in this newsgroup.
When I write something as this I have read that.
You know what Google is, do a search on Nettiquette and newsgroups.
(It is not only on one page)
Cor
* "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> scripsit: I hope that I have never told people here what to do, I always only ask
that.
I have not the authority to do that so how could I do that, beside that I do
not want to do that.
I only wanted to make you aware that some people may misunderstand your
message and think that this is part of Microsoft's netiquette (or "Rules
of Conduct") for this group.
I have in past seen to many bad examples in this newsgroup.
When I write something as this I have read that.
You know what Google is, do a search on Nettiquette and newsgroups.
I know what netiquette is, I wrote my "bachelor thesis" (is that the
right word) about this topic :-).
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
for you it is for me it is as you say
- Cor Lithgert, 2004
I think I know I mean a ’yes’ but it’s all wrong, that is I think I disagree
- John Lennon, 1965
LOL,
You wrote my name wrong and I my sentence even more.
I hope you did understand what I wanted to say?
I should not correct things afterwards.
A real great man that John Lennon.
Cor
Hi Cor:
I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the most
heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for a
while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Thanks again,
Bill
--
W.G. Ryan, eMVP http://forums.devbuzz.com/ http://www.knowdotnet.com/williamryan.html http://www.msmvps.com/WilliamRyan/
"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Hallo,
One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
This behaviour is well known because in this case the message stays in
most newsreaders in top op the reader.
The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
For those who are new can have the excuse that they did not see it,
however strange is that those messages are mostly especially answered by people
who should know that in my opinion.
No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
* "William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> scripsit: I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette.
I didn't know that too and IMO it isn't. Posting in the future
intentionally is against the netiquette, but I don't see any reason why
replying to these posts should be considered "bad".
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
I don't know why people would get offended at responses at thet op - I
actually think it is far more convenient to read the response, instead of
having to scroll all the way down looking for patches of responses - and
sometimes missing them.
And of course Linux thinks Outlook is evil. I'm sure Linux enthusiasts think
every product provided by MS is evil.
"William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uu*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Hi Cor:
I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just
so I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've
often answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I
know that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this
is another example?
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the
most heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for
a while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Thanks again,
Bill
--
W.G. Ryan, eMVP
http://forums.devbuzz.com/
http://www.knowdotnet.com/williamryan.html
http://www.msmvps.com/WilliamRyan/
"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Hallo,
One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
This behaviour is well known because in this case the message stays in
most newsreaders in top op the reader.
The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
For those who are new can have the excuse that they did not see it,
however strange is that those messages are mostly especially answered by people
who should know that in my opinion.
No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:Ob**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... LOL,
You wrote my name wrong and I my sentence even more.
your name, yes ... so sorry ... your sentence (really, your sentence
clause), no, I got that right
I hope you did understand what I wanted to say?
I usually try to avoid discussions about netiquette; I try to be reasonably
polite and courteous but political correctness and other formalities hold
little interest for me
A real great man that John Lennon.
that I could not say, but he was a delightful musician/composer/singer and a
colorful personality
In article <uu*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, William Ryan eMVP wrote: Hi Cor:
I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?
I've never heard that it is bad netiqute to respond to future posts.
Though posting into the future is not such a good idea...
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the most
heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for a
while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Ideal is inline. Top posting tends to throw the conversation out of
continuity. I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain sucks.
My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.
My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size. I hate scrolling sidways through an
entire post... And html is just plain unreadable when you use a text
only news reader and vim as the editor :)
--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
Hi Bill and Marina,
I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except with Armin
I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it up, and with all
others I do TOP posting, because I have always found that it is more
efficient reading the newest message back top down (the same as Marrina said
as I thought).
However this is about another netiquette where (You can find it on Internet
and I am not saying that Jim was doing that express) by changing your date
as what I did to show this, the messages shows up for a long time in top of
a newsgroup reader when you do not delete it, as I never do.
Because of the fact that I was searching how to change that date of the
message from Jim (what was done in past or by Jeremy or by Tom Shelton) I
found everytime again that it was against the general newsgroup netiquette
to answer those changed date newsgroup messages. I assume that that is
because that is stimulating the offender to go on with it.
However you did not act against that netiquette, mostly I find all
netiquette dull, however this one I find good, because I do not like to help
the ones who think they are very smart and spoil it for the others.
Cor
* "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> scripsit: I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except with Armin
I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it up, and with all
others I do TOP posting, because I have always found that it is more
efficient reading the newest message back top down (the same as Marrina said
as I thought).
However this is about another netiquette where (You can find it on Internet
and I am not saying that Jim was doing that express) by changing your date
as what I did to show this, the messages shows up for a long time in top of
a newsgroup reader when you do not delete it, as I never do.
Because of the fact that I was searching how to change that date of the
message from Jim (what was done in past or by Jeremy or by Tom Shelton) I
found everytime again that it was against the general newsgroup netiquette
to answer those changed date newsgroup messages. I assume that that is
because that is stimulating the offender to go on with it.
Mhm... I don't think that there are many people playing around with
their system date to put their message "on top" of all messages for
several days. Often, it's done accidentially, and telling the person
that his system date is wrong helps. There are very few posts dated in
future, so I don't think this is a problem at the moment.
However you did not act against that netiquette, mostly I find all
netiquette dull, however this one I find good, because I do not like to help
the ones who think they are very smart and spoil it for the others.
As long as there is abozt 1 message per month that is posted in future,
I don't worry about that, and I do not have a look at the date each
message I read was posted.
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
* Tom Shelton <to*@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> scripsit: I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?
I've never heard that it is bad netiqute to respond to future posts.
Though posting into the future is not such a good idea...
Full ACK.
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the most
heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for a
while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Ideal is inline. Top posting tends to throw the conversation out of
continuity.
Full ACK again. In German language groups, rules are more strict and
people not posting inline are usually made aware of that and put into
the killfile if not sticking to that rule. Nevertheless, that's not the
same for English language groups.
I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain
sucks.
That's not all true. I display posts in text only mode in OE and that's
relatively safe. Quoting can be fixed with various tools available for
free online. The 'begin' bug is theoretically a bug, but I never had a
problem related to it, and I read a huge amount of messages...
My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.
I use gnus, but I am waiting for a new version of OE with the quoting
bug fixed, then I will switch back.
My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size.
The latter is often caused by Web interfaces.
I hate scrolling sidways through an
entire post... And html is just plain unreadable when you use a text
only news reader and vim as the editor :)
Full ACK.
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
Hi Herfried,
Is it really intresting to tell in this newsgroup what you are thinking?
Cor
Yes. At least for UK viewers.
"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:2h************@uni-berlin.de...
I know what netiquette is, I wrote my "bachelor thesis" (is that the
right word) about this topic :-).
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
In article <2h************@uni-berlin.de>, Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote: * Tom Shelton <to*@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> scripsit: I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?
<snip>
I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain
sucks.
That's not all true. I display posts in text only mode in OE and that's
relatively safe. Quoting can be fixed with various tools available for
free online. The 'begin' bug is theoretically a bug, but I never had a
problem related to it, and I read a huge amount of messages...
The crash problem is fixed in latter versions - but it didn't matter if
you were in text only mode or not. Not that either one of those bugs,
the input type crash bug and the begin bug are that common. And yes,
you can get tools to fix the quoting, but still OE is not a very good
reader. It encourages top posting by placing the cursor and the sig at
the top of the post. Most place the sig and the cursor at the bottom.
I guess I've gotten too used to my text only reader. My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.
I use gnus, but I am waiting for a new version of OE with the quoting
bug fixed, then I will switch back.
My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size.
The latter is often caused by Web interfaces.
Aah, another reason to hate those things :)
--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
Charles
!me just that's maybe But .type to painstaking quite but ,read to difficult
more only not is It .annoying most the of one backwards replying find I
"Tom Shelton" <to*@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> wrote in message
news:ek*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... In article <uu*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, William Ryan eMVP
wrote: Hi Cor:
I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just
so I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays
at the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've
often answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I
know that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing
this is another example?
I've never heard that it is bad netiqute to respond to future posts.
Though posting into the future is not such a good idea...
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be
commenting inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the
most heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using
Outlook Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting
for a while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Ideal is inline. Top posting tends to throw the conversation out of
continuity. I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain sucks.
My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.
My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size. I hate scrolling sidways through an
entire post... And html is just plain unreadable when you use a text
only news reader and vim as the editor :)
--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
"Charles Law" <bl***@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OC**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Charles
!me just that's maybe But .type to painstaking quite but ,read to
difficult more only not is It .annoying most the of one backwards replying find I
desrever srettel eht lla htiw ti od uoy ees s'tel won ... doog ytterp ,ko
Cor,
* "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> scripsit: Is it really intresting to tell in this newsgroup what you are thinking?
Yes.
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
* "Rob Oldfield" <rob@oldfield100_wow_freeserve_yikes_co_incredible !_uk> scripsit: Yes. At least for UK viewers.
I know what netiquette is, I wrote my "bachelor thesis" (is that the
right word) about this topic :-).
Thank you!
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
Cor Ligthert wrote: Hi Bill and Marina,
I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except
with Armin I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it
up, and with all others I do TOP posting, because I have always found
that it is more efficient reading the newest message back top down
(the same as Marrina said as I thought).
Just for the sake of completeness, the arguments against top posting are:
1. There is no sense of continuity within a single post with top posting.
This is especially annoying if a reply appears before the original message
(which happens due to the way usenet propagation works), even more so if the
original message never appears at all.
2. It is more difficult to establish the exact context if you're replying to
a specific part of a message.
3. It discourages proper snipping. When replying to a message using top
posting, people tend to leave the entire original message at the bottom
instead of just those parts necessary to establish context. This wastes
bandwidth.
And I still like this example, from the comp.lang.c++ FAQ:
A: Top Posting!
Q: What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
^_^
FWIW, I used to be an avid top poster, until I got in a few newsgroups where
it was pretty much expected you didn't. I just complied with the status quo
there, and have since grown partial to bottom posting. I'll never top post
again, but I don't hate people who do it.
--
Sven Groot http://unforgiven.bloghorn.com
)-;
"Liz" <li*@tiredofspam.com> wrote in message
news:uK*************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
"Charles Law" <bl***@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OC**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Charles
!me just that's maybe But .type to painstaking quite but ,read to
difficult more only not is It .annoying most the of one backwards replying find I
desrever srettel eht lla htiw ti od uoy ees s'tel won ... doog ytterp ,ko
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote: In German language groups, rules are more strict and
people not posting inline are usually made aware of that and put into
the killfile if not sticking to that rule. Nevertheless, that's not
the same for English language groups.
I typically find that outside of the microsoft.* hierarchy people usually
expect you not to top post. It's not really a language dependant thing.
<regarding OE's flaws> Quoting can be fixed with various tools
available for free online.
I use OE-QuoteFix myself, and love it. Besides fixing the Quoted-Printable
bug and the line wrapping on quoted messages, it also supplies the means to
let OE bottom post by default (even when auto inserting a signature),
message colouring etc. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
--
Sven Groot http://unforgiven.bloghorn.com
Tom,
Is there a free newsreader out there you would recommend other than Outlook
Express?
> * "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> scripsit: Is it really intresting to tell in this newsgroup what you are thinking?
Yes.
LOL !!!
* "Sven Groot" <sv*******@gmx.net> scripsit: <regarding OE's flaws> Quoting can be fixed with various tools
available for free online.
I use OE-QuoteFix myself, and love it. Besides fixing the
Quoted-Printable bug and the line wrapping on quoted messages, it also
supplies the means to let OE bottom post by default (even when auto
inserting a signature), message colouring etc.
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
I recommend to use this tool when working with OE, although it slowed
down my machine...
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
Hmmmm oh well 28 answers isn't so bad :)
Cmon Liz be nice.
:) Charles
!me just that's maybe But .type to painstaking quite but ,read to
difficult more only not is It .annoying most the of one backwards replying find I
desrever srettel eht lla htiw ti od uoy ees s'tel won ... doog ytterp ,ko
I knew it Scorpion, that was the reason I did not answer your first
question.
:-))
Cor No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
Hmmmm oh well 28 answers isn't so bad :)
Hi Scorpion,
And I was so glad that this answer came at a message from a real Brit with a
name that let me always think on a stiff uperlip.
Cor
> And I was so glad that this answer came at a message from a real Brit with
a name that let me always think on a stiff uperlip.
?
What do you mean?
Hi Scorpion,
Who can better speak English than an Englishman?
Altough I thought that Charles was not from the Thames valey as OHM.
Cor
I agree but I did it in COLA a few times and you'd have thought i was bill
gates by the way they responded. I've been chastised a few other times too,
although I can't imagine any posting style being that big of a deal. I also
find top posting much easier to read ...
--
W.G. Ryan, eMVP http://forums.devbuzz.com/ http://www.knowdotnet.com/williamryan.html http://www.msmvps.com/WilliamRyan/
"Marina" <so*****@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:uV**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... I don't know why people would get offended at responses at thet op - I
actually think it is far more convenient to read the response, instead of
having to scroll all the way down looking for patches of responses - and
sometimes missing them.
And of course Linux thinks Outlook is evil. I'm sure Linux enthusiasts
think every product provided by MS is evil.
"William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uu*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Hi Cor:
I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays
at the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've
often answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I
know that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing
this is another example?
BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be
commenting inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the
most heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using
Outlook Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting
for a while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.
Thanks again,
Bill
--
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"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Hallo,
One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.
This behaviour is well known because in this case the message stays in
most newsreaders in top op the reader.
The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
For those who are new can have the excuse that they did not see it,
however strange is that those messages are mostly especially answered by
people who should know that in my opinion.
No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
Cor
Agreed. However i know I've screwed up more than a few times on the
netiquette , feeding the trolls being the worst. I try to correct stuff as I
find it. I know that maniuplating the date so your message stays up top
(which I used to see done primarly by spammers or trolls) is uncool. But
like you said, many do it accidentally annd in such cases I've just pointed
it out gently if no else did already. To point this out though you need to
respond and starting a separate thread seems like a faux pas too so the
whole thing is confusing.
Thanks again for your reply though, it definitely makes sense.
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"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:2h************@uni-berlin.de... * "William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> scripsit: I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette.
I didn't know that too and IMO it isn't. Posting in the future
intentionally is against the netiquette, but I don't see any reason why
replying to these posts should be considered "bad".
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In article <um**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, William Ryan eMVP wrote: I agree but I did it in COLA a few times and you'd have thought i was bill
gates by the way they responded. I've been chastised a few other times too,
although I can't imagine any posting style being that big of a deal. I also
find top posting much easier to read ...
COLA is full of psycho-paths...
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Tom Shelton [MVP]
"William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:um**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... I agree but I did it in COLA a few times and you'd have thought i was bill
gates by the way they responded. I've been chastised a few other times
too, although I can't imagine any posting style being that big of a deal. I
also find top posting much easier to read ...
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Hi, Bill.
Just so I don't wander there inadvertently, what's COLA?
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Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.
In article <#8*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, Peter van der Goes wrote:
"William Ryan eMVP" <do********@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:um**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... I agree but I did it in COLA a few times and you'd have thought i was bill
gates by the way they responded. I've been chastised a few other times
too, although I can't imagine any posting style being that big of a deal. I
also find top posting much easier to read ...
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W.G. Ryan, eMVP
Hi, Bill.
Just so I don't wander there inadvertently, what's COLA?
comp.os.linux.advocacy
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"Tom Shelton" <to*@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... In article <#8*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, Peter van der Goes
wrote:
comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Tom Shelton [MVP]
Thanks, Tom. Using 20-20 hindsight, I can see that I *should* have been able
to figure it out :-)
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Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Thanks Sven, I appreciate it.
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"Sven Groot" <sv*******@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:OK**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Cor Ligthert wrote: Hi Bill and Marina,
I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except
with Armin I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it
up, and with all others I do TOP posting, because I have always found
that it is more efficient reading the newest message back top down
(the same as Marrina said as I thought).
Just for the sake of completeness, the arguments against top posting are:
1. There is no sense of continuity within a single post with top posting.
This is especially annoying if a reply appears before the original message
(which happens due to the way usenet propagation works), even more so if
the original message never appears at all.
2. It is more difficult to establish the exact context if you're replying
to a specific part of a message.
3. It discourages proper snipping. When replying to a message using top
posting, people tend to leave the entire original message at the bottom
instead of just those parts necessary to establish context. This wastes
bandwidth.
And I still like this example, from the comp.lang.c++ FAQ:
A: Top Posting!
Q: What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
^_^
FWIW, I used to be an avid top poster, until I got in a few newsgroups
where it was pretty much expected you didn't. I just complied with the status
quo there, and have since grown partial to bottom posting. I'll never top post
again, but I don't hate people who do it.
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:30:13 +0200, "Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote:
¤ Hallo,
¤
¤ One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
¤ placed in future.
¤
¤ This behaviour is well known because in this case the message stays in most
¤ newsreaders in top op the reader.
¤
¤ The netiquette says not to answer those questions.
¤
¤ For those who are new can have the excuse that they did not see it, however
¤ strange is that those messages are mostly especially answered by people who
¤ should know that in my opinion.
¤
¤ No answer needed, would only make even more dirt.
I've never head of such a thing. I can very easily delete them from my news reader if I prefer.
Frankly I'm more annoyed by idle chit chat, if you know what I mean, and replies that give a poster
the name of person who can answer their question. ;-)
Paul ~~~ pc******@ameritech.net
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