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Dynamically set varibable value?

jcr
Hi:

I am having trouble dynamically setting a variable. The following
code does not work. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim

Dim astr As String
Dim bstr As String
Dim myval As Double
Dim te As Double
Dim AAA As Object
astr = "test"
bstr = "test"
If astr = bstr Then
'want to set variable te (which is double) = 333.3
' AAA = CType(astr, ValueType)

AAA = Mid(bstr, 1, 2)
' Mid(bstr, 1, 2) = 333.3
AAA = 333.3
End If

te = te + 1
'variable te should now be set to 334.3
Nov 20 '05 #1
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* ra****@fauske.com (jcr) scripsit:
I am having trouble dynamically setting a variable. The following
code does not work. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim

Dim astr As String
Dim bstr As String
Dim myval As Double
Dim te As Double
Dim AAA As Object
astr = "test"
bstr = "test"
If astr = bstr Then
'want to set variable te (which is double) = 333.3
' AAA = CType(astr, ValueType)

AAA = Mid(bstr, 1, 2)
' Mid(bstr, 1, 2) = 333.3
AAA = 333.3
End If

te = te + 1
'variable te should now be set to 334.3


You never assign a value to 'te'. Why do you use the utility variable
'AAA'?

\\\
Dim astr, bstr As String
Dim te As Double
astr = "test"
bstr = "test"
If astr = bstr
If IsNumeric(astr) Then
te = Double.Parse(astr)
Else
...
End If
Else
te = 333.3
End If
te = te + 1
MsgBox(te.ToString())
///

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #2
jcr
Hi Thanks for the reply.

The text for variable bstr will be different for each time I enter
this portion of the code. The value of the text for bstr is the
variable that I want to set. For example, if bstr = "MO" I want to
set the variable MO to a unique value. I do this now by having alot
of "IF conditions". I would like to do it dynamically.

Thanks for your help,
Jim

hi***************@gmx.at (Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]) wrote in message news:<c0*************@ID-208219.news.uni-berlin.de>...
* ra****@fauske.com (jcr) scripsit:
I am having trouble dynamically setting a variable. The following
code does not work. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim

Dim astr As String
Dim bstr As String
Dim myval As Double
Dim te As Double
Dim AAA As Object
astr = "test"
bstr = "test"
If astr = bstr Then
'want to set variable te (which is double) = 333.3
' AAA = CType(astr, ValueType)

AAA = Mid(bstr, 1, 2)
' Mid(bstr, 1, 2) = 333.3
AAA = 333.3
End If

te = te + 1
'variable te should now be set to 334.3


You never assign a value to 'te'. Why do you use the utility variable
'AAA'?

\\\
Dim astr, bstr As String
Dim te As Double
astr = "test"
bstr = "test"
If astr = bstr
If IsNumeric(astr) Then
te = Double.Parse(astr)
Else
...
End If
Else
te = 333.3
End If
te = te + 1
MsgBox(te.ToString())
///

Nov 20 '05 #3
* ra****@fauske.com (jcr) scripsit:
The text for variable bstr will be different for each time I enter
this portion of the code. The value of the text for bstr is the
variable that I want to set. For example, if bstr = "MO" I want to
set the variable MO to a unique value. I do this now by having alot
of "IF conditions". I would like to do it dynamically.


I would rething the design. You can use a 'Hashtable' to store (key,
value) pairs. Maybe this will fit your needs.

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #4
Hi Jim,

Thanks for posting in the community.

First of all, I would like to confirm my understanding of your issue.
From your description, I understand that you wants to set a variable by its
name, which is used to build a (key,value) pair.
Have I fully understood you? If there is anything I misunderstood, please
feel free to let me know.

For a field or property, you can use the reflection to achieve your aim,
but the method did not work on variable. If the MO variable you refer to is
a field in a class you may try the reflection method below.

Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
Dim o As New TestClass
Dim fd As String = "myfield"
o.GetType().InvokeMember(fd, Reflection.BindingFlags.SetField,
Nothing, o, New Object() {"set string value"})
Dim rtStr As String = CType(o.GetType.InvokeMember(fd,
Reflection.BindingFlags.GetField, Nothing, o, Nothing), String)
MsgBox(rtStr)
End Sub

Type.InvokeMember Method (String, BindingFlags, Binder, Object, Object[],
ParameterModifier[], CultureInfo, String[])
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/cpref/html/
frlrfSystemTypeClassInvokeMemberTopic3.asp

Also if you wants to build a (key,value), I agree with Herfried's
suggestion, you may try to use the HashTable.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/cpref/html/
frlrfSystemCollectionsHashtableClassTopic.asp
Please Apply My Suggestion Above And Let Me Know If It Helps Resolve Your
Problem.

Best regards,

Peter Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Nov 20 '05 #5
Hi Jim,

Thanks for posting in the community.

Did my answer help you?
If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Peter Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Nov 20 '05 #6
Peter,

I wonder if you would take a moment to consider what happens if every one of
us who answers questions (all day long and some people "for years") followed
each reply with a "Did my answer help you?" message.

If you think it is important we could all start doing that.

"Peter Huang" <v-******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Pd**************@cpmsftngxa07.phx.gbl...
Hi Jim,

Thanks for posting in the community.

Did my answer help you?
If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Peter Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Nov 20 '05 #7
This page may explain it

http://msdn.microsoft.com/newsgroups/managed

"MSDN Subscriptions includes newsgroup support for all Universal, Enterprise, Professional and Operating System Subscribers. MSDN Subscribers can post .NET product and technology questions in over 220 managed newsgroups and receive a response from either another professional in the community or from a Microsoft Support Professional within two business days. The Managed Newsgroups are constantly being reviewed by Microsoft Professionals for quality responses. To make life even easier, we are able to notify you, via e-mail, when a post has been made to your issue. If you do not locate an appropriate newsgroup in the list to the left, you may want to browse the entire list of MSDN Newsgroups. Keep in mind that this entire list includes all developer newsgroups, whether or not they are eligible for this new support offering.

Nov 20 '05 #8
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb

I wonder if you would take a moment to consider what happens if every
one of us who answers questions (all day long and some people "for
years") followed each reply with a "Did my answer help you?"
message.

If you think it is important we could all start doing that.


This is called "service". I wouldn't complain about.
--
Armin

Nov 20 '05 #9
Cor
Hi Tom,

I see not anything wrong in this kind of answering from Peter,

I think also if it is good if the OP gives a reply, see for that the thread
OHM started once.

And Peter is allowed in this newsgroup as everybody else to use his own
style.

Especialy because Peter always listen to complaints, I will advice him to do
that this time not.

Just my thoughts.

Cor

I wonder if you would take a moment to consider what happens if every one of us who answers questions (all day long and some people "for years") followed each reply with a "Did my answer help you?" message.

If you think it is important we could all start doing that.

"Peter Huang" <v-******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Pd**************@cpmsftngxa07.phx.gbl...
Hi Jim,

Thanks for posting in the community.

Did my answer help you?
If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Peter Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

rights.


Nov 20 '05 #10
Hi Amin,

Thanks for posting to the community.

We appreciate your thoughts on the matter. However I only asked Peter to
consider it. If he (or you) think a vote is needed we could do that too.

Not that I'm keen on a thread about the definition of English words but I
wouldn't call it "service." I believe I understand your point... that if
any of us really cared about service we would all ask "Did my answer help
you" and then if we cared about being nice we would respond "Yes you did" or
"No you didn't" as was appropriate but I don't think that is practical.

Did my answer help you?

"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb

I wonder if you would take a moment to consider what happens if every
one of us who answers questions (all day long and some people "for
years") followed each reply with a "Did my answer help you?"
message.

If you think it is important we could all start doing that.


This is called "service". I wouldn't complain about.
--
Armin

Nov 20 '05 #11
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb
Hi Amin,

Thanks for posting to the community.

We appreciate your thoughts on the matter. However I only asked
Peter to consider it. If he (or you) think a vote is needed we could
do that too.
Maybe he simply wants to remove the item from his to-do list? In order to do
this, he first must ask if the problem is solved.
Not that I'm keen on a thread about the definition of English words
but I wouldn't call it "service." I believe I understand your
point... that if any of us really cared about service we would all
ask "Did my answer help you" and then if we cared about being nice we
would respond "Yes you did" or "No you didn't" as was appropriate but
I don't think that is practical.


Peter is from MSFT, most people are not. That is the difference and that's
why he asks but most people don't (and don't have to). He belongs to the
"Microsoft Online Partner Support" as you can read in his messages. I think
it belongs to a good "service" not leaving the thread open because it is not
obvious if the problem is solved.

--
Armin

How to quote and why:
http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Nov 20 '05 #12
Cor
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!

Since I also did send a message and did not see an answer on my message, I
take the freedom to answer you here.

There is no need to talk about the definition of the English word "service"
because it is not an English word. It is a word also used in the English
language, but not exclusively an English word.

You saw that Armin has placed it between quotes; I did understand that to
show that there was something special with that word.

"Service" is more original a French word and that is a country of the EU.
But "Service" is very internationally used.

I do not know where "Service" is standing for in the US, (I assume for the
same) however here in the EU it stands for more things (It also stands for
dinner set), but one of those this is giving the customer the feeling that
he gets your attention.

You know this is an international newsgroup, where we not native speakers
try to use the English language. When I look at the time of posting from
Peter, I assume he is not from the US, but I am not sure if he is not a
native English speaker.

When I see his postings, I think he will fulfil the meaning of the word
"Service" as we are used to it in the EU.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #13
Tom,

* "Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> scripsit:
Not that I'm keen on a thread about the definition of English words but I
wouldn't call it "service." I believe I understand your point... that if
any of us really cared about service we would all ask "Did my answer help
you" and then if we cared about being nice we would respond "Yes you did" or
"No you didn't" as was appropriate but I don't think that is practical.


Thank you for posting to the community!

What would be the right term if "service" isn't appropriate in this
situation?

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #14
"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote...
Maybe he simply wants to remove the item from his to-do list? In order to do this, he first must ask if the problem is solved.
Perhaps he gets paid a bonus for the number of messages he sends :-) Can we
at least agree that you are just picking things out of the air?
Peter is from MSFT, most people are not. That is the difference and that's
why he asks but most people don't (and don't have to). He belongs to the
"Microsoft Online Partner Support" as you can read in his messages. I think it belongs to a good "service" not leaving the thread open because it is not obvious if the problem is solved.


So people from MSFT have to post the follow up question? And you are saying
the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and didn't offer good
service since they didn't?

And what is it about people that they find it necessary to "figure out" what
"might" be happening? Why don't you just ask the guy?

I understand what you "think" is good service but I am explaining to you the
fact that it isn't. The thread isn't "open" it isn't a case the Department
of Software is working on. People aren't responding "Yes" so you think MSFT
considers the thread still open?

Armin... let me make it easy "gee yeah I never thought of that, you're
right."
Did this answer your question?
If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Oh and thanks for posting to the community,
Tom


Nov 20 '05 #15
Hi Cor,

Thanks for sharing with the community.

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. You believe the word
"service" isn't an English word?

I will have to study this and get back to you.

Did I answer your question?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote...
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!

Since I also did send a message and did not see an answer on my message, I
take the freedom to answer you here.

There is no need to talk about the definition of the English word "service" because it is not an English word. It is a word also used in the English
language, but not exclusively an English word.

You saw that Armin has placed it between quotes; I did understand that to
show that there was something special with that word.

"Service" is more original a French word and that is a country of the EU.
But "Service" is very internationally used.

I do not know where "Service" is standing for in the US, (I assume for the
same) however here in the EU it stands for more things (It also stands for
dinner set), but one of those this is giving the customer the feeling that
he gets your attention.

You know this is an international newsgroup, where we not native speakers
try to use the English language. When I look at the time of posting from
Peter, I assume he is not from the US, but I am not sure if he is not a
native English speaker.

When I see his postings, I think he will fulfil the meaning of the word
"Service" as we are used to it in the EU.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #16
Thank you for posting to the community.

I'll post "I agree with Herfried" after every message you post... that will
be a "service" right?

Did I answer your question?

If you have any concerns on this issue, please post here.

Tom

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote...
Tom,

* "Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> scripsit:
Not that I'm keen on a thread about the definition of English words but I wouldn't call it "service." I believe I understand your point... that if any of us really cared about service we would all ask "Did my answer help you" and then if we cared about being nice we would respond "Yes you did" or "No you didn't" as was appropriate but I don't think that is practical.


Thank you for posting to the community!

What would be the right term if "service" isn't appropriate in this
situation?

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Nov 20 '05 #17
Cor
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,
Let me see if I understand your question correctly. You believe the word
"service" isn't an English word?
------------------------------------
My opinion about it is that because Bush is a president of the US, therefore
is not every president in the world automaticly president of the US.

"Service" is a word in the English language. But not only in the English
language and as far as I know not originaly "an" English word.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #18
Thanks for sharing with the community.

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. We may not actually be
writing in English because all English words were derived from words that
were not originally English? As a result people who speak German, French,
etc. aren't actually speaking those languages because naturally they were
similarly derived from earlier languages. Is that right?

Did I answer your question?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:el**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,
Let me see if I understand your question correctly. You believe the word
"service" isn't an English word?
------------------------------------
My opinion about it is that because Bush is a president of the US, therefore is not every president in the world automaticly president of the US.

"Service" is a word in the English language. But not only in the English
language and as far as I know not originaly "an" English word.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #19
Cor
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,
Let me see if I understand your question correctly. We may not actually be writing in English because all English words were derived from words that
were not originally English? As a result people who speak German, French,
etc. aren't actually speaking those languages because naturally they were
similarly derived from earlier languages. Is that right?


Your conclusion I never told, what I tried to explain was that because there
could be another meaning of the word "Service" in another language than
"Service" in the English language, that was no reason to take the meaning in
the English language as the meaning of the word "Service".

That word was placed between quotes, so there should not been assumed
automatically the meaning of the word as it is in English.

If there had not been quotes, than would it had in this newsgroup the
English meaning,

It is as you said a derived word in many languages. However, not all
directly from French, as example in Dutch we use the deriving from French
for the dinner set and the deriving from English and French for the word we
now are talking about. Computer service and service in a restaurant.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #20
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb
"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote...
Maybe he simply wants to remove the item from his to-do list? In
order to do
this, he first must ask if the problem is solved.


Perhaps he gets paid a bonus for the number of messages he sends :-)


Maybe he gets paid for his work not for each message? Apart from this, if I
were an MVP and don't get paid, maybe I'd also ask because the support
quality also decides whether one becomes/stays an MVP or not.
Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of the
air?
No.
Peter is from MSFT, most people are not. That is the difference and
that's why he asks but most people don't (and don't have to). He
belongs to the "Microsoft Online Partner Support" as you can read
in his messages. I

think
it belongs to a good "service" not leaving the thread open because
it is

not
obvious if the problem is solved.


So people from MSFT have to post the follow up question?


Yes, people who's job it is to help their customers should post it. It probably
belongs to the support policies because it makes the customers feel and show
them that the support deparment is taken care of them.
And you are
saying the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and didn't
offer good service since they didn't?
Why do you think other people should follow company internal rules?

[ ] you know the manufacturer of VB.NET
[ ] you know the difference between the manufacturer offering services and
other people

And what is it about people that they find it necessary to "figure
out" what "might" be happening? Why don't you just ask the guy?

I understand what you "think" is good service but I am explaining to
you the fact that it isn't.
If you simply leave your customers alone, it's up to you. If I send support
answers to my customers and don't get a response, I'll send a follow message
to ask if it helped. Yes, I call this good service.
The thread isn't "open" it isn't a case
the Department of Software is working on.
It is a question the support deparment is working on. As long as they don't
know whether the problem has been solved, the issue is still "open".
People aren't responding
"Yes" so you think MSFT considers the thread still open?


Right!

You're a really funny guy: People sometimes complain about the lack of
support, and if the support takes care of the customers you start to
complain. Doesn't make sense to me.

--
Armin

How to quote and why:
http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Nov 20 '05 #21
Thanks for sharing with the community :-)

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. Given that there is no
"official" department of languages in the world and that anybody anywhere
can invent a language and in that language the word "service" could mean
anything... that we should conclude that simply writing "Did I answer your
question" becomes a service just as posting "you dunce" or swearing at
people could be intepreted as a "service" if we just say so? Does it have
to pass any other test or are all replies "services"?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

And just so nobody mistakenly assumes I'm not into services I offer the
official "service phrase"... did I answer your question?

Tom

BTW "OT" should not be assumed to stand for "off topic" it is somebody's
name (you even pointed this out.) I propose you should write the words out
and preface them with [ISO ENGLISH] so we will know which dictionary to use
for the definition of "off" and "topic" ... and a date would help in case
the definitions get changed along the way.
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:OM**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,
Let me see if I understand your question correctly. We may not actually be
writing in English because all English words were derived from words that were not originally English? As a result people who speak German, French, etc. aren't actually speaking those languages because naturally they were similarly derived from earlier languages. Is that right?


Your conclusion I never told, what I tried to explain was that because

there could be another meaning of the word "Service" in another language than
"Service" in the English language, that was no reason to take the meaning in the English language as the meaning of the word "Service".

That word was placed between quotes, so there should not been assumed
automatically the meaning of the word as it is in English.

If there had not been quotes, than would it had in this newsgroup the
English meaning,

It is as you said a derived word in many languages. However, not all
directly from French, as example in Dutch we use the deriving from French
for the dinner set and the deriving from English and French for the word we now are talking about. Computer service and service in a restaurant.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #22
Cor
Hi Tom,

I think we have showed enough what could happen if people would seriously
answer every message there came.

But I find that it looks if Peter is doing always the best he can, so maybe
we do him no good for him doing this.

:-)) For me was the subject I took of course only fun

So EOT if you do not mind.

Cor


Nov 20 '05 #23
"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote...
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb
"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote...
Maybe he simply wants to remove the item from his to-do list? In
order to do this, he first must ask if the problem is solved.
Perhaps he gets paid a bonus for the number of messages he sends :-)


Maybe he gets paid for his work not for each message? Apart from this, if

I were an MVP and don't get paid, maybe I'd also ask because the support
quality also decides whether one becomes/stays an MVP or not.
Maybe he gets penalized $3.50 each time he doesn't include the words "Did I
answer your question"?
Maybe he isn't sending those messages and it's caused by a virus in his
computer.
Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of the
air?


No.


Okay then you post a maybe and then I'll post a maybe... nobody really
cares what the facts are when we have so many "maybe's" to consider.

So people from MSFT have to post the follow up question?


Yes, people who's job it is to help their customers should post it. It

probably belongs to the support policies because it makes the customers feel and show them that the support deparment is taken care of them.
Ah... no longer limited to "maybe" we try "probably."

It probably does _not_ belong to the support policies. But I'll bite, what
makes you believe it is part of their support policy? Other than you've
just decided maybe and probably on that subject suddenly?

So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we had broke
company policy? Is that maybe or probably? Are you about to say "with
certainty" next?

[See: Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of the
air?]

Armin, level with me you don't have the faintest idea what MS support
policies are with regard to this newsgroup? Am I right? You are guessing,
understand that doesn't make it a fact, that doesn't make it probable. It
is at best "possible" but then so is every other random guess by anybody
else.
And you are
saying the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and didn't
offer good service since they didn't?


Why do you think other people should follow company internal rules?

[ ] you know the manufacturer of VB.NET
[ ] you know the difference between the manufacturer offering services and
other people


Armin why are you doing this? Look at the line you quoted I wrote "other
people from MSFT" and there have been other MS employee's posting here in
the past.
And what is it about people that they find it necessary to "figure
out" what "might" be happening? Why don't you just ask the guy?

I understand what you "think" is good service but I am explaining to
you the fact that it isn't.


If you simply leave your customers alone, it's up to you. If I send

support answers to my customers and don't get a response, I'll send a follow message to ask if it helped. Yes, I call this good service.
I pick up the telephone when I deal with my customers. I call this good
service.
The thread isn't "open" it isn't a case
the Department of Software is working on.


It is a question the support deparment is working on. As long as they

don't know whether the problem has been solved, the issue is still "open".
The issue is still open. Got it... they plan to review the situation in a
few weeks and if the guy still can't "dynamically set varibable value" Bill
Gates will phone him.
People aren't responding
"Yes" so you think MSFT considers the thread still open?


Right!

You're a really funny guy: People sometimes complain about the lack of
support, and if the support takes care of the customers you start to
complain. Doesn't make sense to me.


When did I complain? So if he posts "I didn't hear from you yet, did I
answer your question?" he would be doing even a better job? If he did it 5
times a day it would be even better service?

What part of the word "service" don't you understand?

Why are you arguing this? Almost nobody has responded "Yes it did" to the
question which means they are all (according to your latest "maybe") still
on the "unresolved issues" list.

Frankly you're the funny guy... I mention something reasonable to Peter and
you create a giant list of possibilities including how MS keeps an list of
unresolved issues on this newsgroup :-) That's hilarious.

I already said all your hypothetical guesswork is right what more do you
want?



Nov 20 '05 #24
let it die...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:17:43 -0500, "Tom Leylan"
<ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing with the community :-)

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. Given that there is no
"official" department of languages in the world and that anybody anywhere
can invent a language and in that language the word "service" could mean
anything... that we should conclude that simply writing "Did I answer your
question" becomes a service just as posting "you dunce" or swearing at
people could be intepreted as a "service" if we just say so? Does it have
to pass any other test or are all replies "services"?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

And just so nobody mistakenly assumes I'm not into services I offer the
official "service phrase"... did I answer your question?

Tom

BTW "OT" should not be assumed to stand for "off topic" it is somebody's
name (you even pointed this out.) I propose you should write the words out
and preface them with [ISO ENGLISH] so we will know which dictionary to use
for the definition of "off" and "topic" ... and a date would help in case
the definitions get changed along the way.
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:OM**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,
> Let me see if I understand your question correctly. We may not actually

be
> writing in English because all English words were derived from wordsthat > were not originally English? As a result people who speak German,French, > etc. aren't actually speaking those languages because naturally theywere > similarly derived from earlier languages. Is that right?
>


Your conclusion I never told, what I tried to explain was that because

there
could be another meaning of the word "Service" in another language than
"Service" in the English language, that was no reason to take the meaning

in
the English language as the meaning of the word "Service".

That word was placed between quotes, so there should not been assumed
automatically the meaning of the word as it is in English.

If there had not been quotes, than would it had in this newsgroup the
English meaning,

It is as you said a derived word in many languages. However, not all
directly from French, as example in Dutch we use the deriving from French
for the dinner set and the deriving from English and French for the word

we
now are talking about. Computer service and service in a restaurant.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor


Nov 20 '05 #25
Cor,

Bottom line is that people have a limited amount of time. If 10% of that
time is spent writing "Did my answer help" then clearly that time isn't
spent answering any of the new questions. Is that the goal? And I did not
complain. I suggested that Peter consider that nobody responds to the
question. I didn't say he "couldn't" or "shouldn't" I wrote "it doesn't
much matter."

Let's imagine that everybody starts quoting the entire thread in each of
their responses. I'll bet you, Armin or Herfried would suggest "that
doesn't really help." Would you be curtailing his right of free speech? Or
would you believe you were making a useful suggestion?
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:eW*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Hi Tom,

I think we have showed enough what could happen if people would seriously
answer every message there came.

But I find that it looks if Peter is doing always the best he can, so maybe we do him no good for him doing this.

:-)) For me was the subject I took of course only fun

So EOT if you do not mind.

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #26
Tom,

* "Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> scripsit:
I'll post "I agree with Herfried" after every message you post... that will
be a "service" right?
:-)
Did I answer your question?


First of all, thank you for posting to the community.

Your post helped my to answer my question.

;->

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #27
Tom,

* "Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> scripsit:
Bottom line is that people have a limited amount of time. If 10% of that
time is spent writing "Did my answer help"


Some newsreaders can do that automatically.

But as Cor suggest, I vote for "EOT" too.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #28
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb
were an MVP and don't get paid, maybe I'd also ask because the
support quality also decides whether one becomes/stays an MVP or
not.
Maybe he gets penalized $3.50 each time he doesn't include the words
"Did I answer your question"?


You are so realistic.
Maybe he isn't sending those messages and it's caused by a virus in
his computer.
yes yes.... you're seeing colors, don't you? ;-)

Well, in opposite to _these_ reasons, mine make sense - don't you agree?

Ah... no longer limited to "maybe" we try "probably."

It probably does _not_ belong to the support policies. But I'll
bite, what makes you believe it is part of their support policy?
Because it makes sense (using Option Brain On).
So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we had
broke company policy? Is that maybe or probably?
How can I know this without working there?
[See: Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of
the air?]

Armin, level with me you don't have the faintest idea what MS
support policies are with regard to this newsgroup? Am I right?
Right.
You
are guessing, understand that doesn't make it a fact, that doesn't
make it probable. It is at best "possible" but then so is every
other random guess by anybody else.
Right.

The point is: I tried to give you *possible* reasons why Peter's replies the
way he replies. I don't have to be sure about them not to have the right to
criticize him. Despite you also don't know the reasons, you did criticize
him. I think you should consider the reasons I mentioned and say: Sorry
Peter, I didn't know this.
And you are
saying the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and
didn't offer good service since they didn't?


Why do you think other people should follow company internal
rules?

[ ] you know the manufacturer of VB.NET
[ ] you know the difference between the manufacturer offering
services and other people


Armin why are you doing this? Look at the line you quoted I wrote
"other people from MSFT" and there have been other MS employee's
posting here in the past.


Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you know
this?
If you simply leave your customers alone, it's up to you. If I
send

support
answers to my customers and don't get a response, I'll send a
follow

message
to ask if it helped. Yes, I call this good service.


I pick up the telephone when I deal with my customers. I call this
good service.

No. Choosing the right media depending on the individual case is good
service. Different media -> different (dis)advantages.

But I understand you that you also do contact your customer in this case, no
matter which media. Well, Peter chose replying in this group. Why do you
criticize this? It is the right media for questions posted to this group. Or
do you think he should reply by phone? I don't think so.
The thread isn't "open" it isn't a case
the Department of Software is working on.


It is a question the support deparment is working on. As long as
they

don't
know whether the problem has been solved, the issue is still
"open".


The issue is still open. Got it... they plan to review the situation
in a few weeks and if the guy still can't "dynamically set varibable
value" Bill Gates will phone him.


No, not Bill and not by phone, but asking two days later here. This really
happened as you saw. What's so funny in it?
People aren't responding
"Yes" so you think MSFT considers the thread still open?


Right!

You're a really funny guy: People sometimes complain about the lack
of support, and if the support takes care of the customers you
start to complain. Doesn't make sense to me.


When did I complain?


When you started this discussion. Or let's call it critisism if you like it
more.
So if he posts "I didn't hear from you yet, did
I answer your question?" he would be doing even a better job?
Difference?
If he
did it 5 times a day it would be even better service?
[X] You lost the sense for moderate behavior

I think everyone would agree that this would exceed the normal amount.
What part of the word "service" don't you understand?
What part of the word "service" don't you understand?
Frankly you're the funny guy... I mention something reasonable to
Peter and you create a giant list of possibilities including how MS
keeps an list of unresolved issues on this newsgroup :-) That's
hilarious.


I can only repeat: As long as you don't know the reasons that might be
there, you shouldn't criticize Peter. I tried to give you these possible
reasons.

BTW, Peter (as well as many other people) always tries to give the best
answers as possible.
--
Armin

Nov 20 '05 #29
"Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> wrote...
Well, in opposite to _these_ reasons, mine make sense - don't you agree?
It made sense to claim that man would never set foot on the moon, until of
course he did. You want points for being "closer" to a fact regardless of
whether it is a fact, okay here is 10 points. :-)
Because it makes sense (using Option Brain On).
Your insights into MS support policies are astonishing.
So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we had
broke company policy? Is that maybe or probably?


How can I know this without working there?


Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did before.
The point is: I tried to give you *possible* reasons why Peter's replies the way he replies. I don't have to be sure about them not to have the right to criticize him. Despite you also don't know the reasons, you did criticize
him. I think you should consider the reasons I mentioned and say: Sorry
Peter, I didn't know this.
Possible reasons aren't worth a whole lot. That's why I didn't pretend to
know what they were but offered a suggestion (oh yeah to Peter not to you.)
I think you should consider what I wrote an say "Sorry Tom, I didn't realize
you were being helpful."
Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you know
this?
Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did before.
No, not Bill and not by phone, but asking two days later here. This really
happened as you saw. What's so funny in it?
People haven't responded... I pointed out that it doesn't get them off your
imaginary "to do" list.
When did I complain?


When you started this discussion. Or let's call it critisism if you like

it more.
Well yes let us try to call it what it was. Like when you post your
opinion... do people call it a "complaint"?
I can only repeat: As long as you don't know the reasons that might be
there, you shouldn't criticize Peter. I tried to give you these possible
reasons.
Armin... I posted a message to Peter. You didn't even try to find out what
the reasons were before you started making reasons up in your mind. If you
had any interest you would have let Peter explain "the facts" rather than
try to convince people your guesses are closer to the facts than no guessing
at all.

Peter is an adult (I believe) and he can reply with "well I like to follow
through" or "I see your point" or any other thing he feels like replying
with. You decided that I didn't understand the "MSFT rules" which you
reasoned must exist.
BTW, Peter (as well as many other people) always tries to give the best
answers as possible.


Do a search and you will find that I applaud more people for their efforts
than you do...

Nov 20 '05 #30
"Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> schrieb
Because it makes sense (using Option Brain On).
Your insights into MS support policies are astonishing.


I didn't know you work there. How else could you evaluate my insights? Well,
I don't have insights, so you must be wrong.
So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we
had broke company policy? Is that maybe or probably?


How can I know this without working there?


Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did
before.


Option Brain On will enable you to check whether something make sense, not
whether something is true. Ever tried?
The point is: I tried to give you *possible* reasons why Peter's
replies

the
way he replies. I don't have to be sure about them not to have the
right

to
criticize him. Despite you also don't know the reasons, you did
criticize him. I think you should consider the reasons I mentioned
and say: Sorry Peter, I didn't know this.


Possible reasons aren't worth a whole lot. That's why I didn't
pretend to know what they were


If you don't know whether they are there, why do you behave like they
weren't?

"You are a murderer. Proof me you are not!". That's what you are doing and
what I really don't like. Do you see the point? Unfortunatelly it seems
I must use these clear words.
but offered a suggestion (oh yeah to
Peter not to you.)
There is no reason to offer anything to Peter.
I think you should consider what I wrote an say
"Sorry Tom, I didn't realize you were being helpful."
If you call criticizing somebody without any reason helpful, you must be
really confused.
Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you
know this?


Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did
before.


No Tom, you don't understand this, too: Because I do use this helpful
option, by asking this question I wanted to make you think about it. Ok,
this time in simple words: You (and I) don't know whether they belong to the
same department. Consequently you don't know if that's the reason why "other
MSFT people" brake the rules.

When did I complain?


When you started this discussion. Or let's call it critisism if you
like

it
more.


Well yes let us try to call it what it was.


Ok, it was a complaint (as you don't like "criticism").
Like when you post
your opinion... do people call it a "complaint"?
No. Why? Because it is not a complaint.
I can only repeat: As long as you don't know the reasons that might
be there, you shouldn't criticize Peter. I tried to give you these
possible reasons.


Armin... I posted a message to Peter. You didn't even try to find
out what the reasons were before you started making reasons up in
your mind.


Right, I didn't. Now I did. Guess why? Maybe caused by your message? But
you've just answered this. So, "grab your own nose".
If you had any interest you would have let Peter explain
"the facts" rather than try to convince people your guesses are
closer to the facts than no guessing at all.

Peter is an adult (I believe) and he can reply with "well I like to
follow through" or "I see your point" or any other thing he feels
like replying with.
Yes, Peter is an adult, but me too (I believe *g*). If you'd behave like an
adult, you wouldn't criticize people that might have reasons to do what they
do. You allege that there are none. That's the problem. For both reasons, I
felt free to "defend" Peter.
You decided that I didn't understand the "MSFT
rules" which you reasoned must exist.


Wrong. You didn't and still don't understand that there might be rules. I
also didn't say they must exist.
BTW, Peter (as well as many other people) always tries to give the
best answers as possible.


Do a search and you will find that I applaud more people for their
efforts than you do...


Do you want to start keeping a careful record of this? I think it would be a
sort of promoting myself over somebody else when judging his/her efforts, so
I very rarely do this. (Means: My boss might "praise" me, but (usually) not
the other way round because it would be presumptuous). But that's my
personal opinion.
--
Armin

Nov 20 '05 #31
Wow!!!... I thought you guys were supposed to be out here to help us out
technically not be the "Thread Police". Quite frankly, and feel like I speak
for alot of the community members here latley trying to get technical
assistance. I wish you guys would go away... Do you not have anything better
to do, you morons!!!... Who can we contact at Microsoft to let them know the
type of non-constructive assistance you guys are providing to the community
so that hopefully Microsoft can get some other MVPS that have a passion for
the technology and can provide us with some assistance.. I don't know this
Peter guy very well but I have seen some of his responses and they have
helped me with some projects I have been working on so... BACK OFF!!! Unless
you can provide some technical feedback. ( I DOUBT IT!!!, heh)

The thing that bothers me the most about this is that you stupid MVP's added
20 unnessary responses to this thread, and anyone from the community that
may have questions surrounding the same problem would have to dig thru all
this garbage to find the answer. If you have problem with something that
Microsoft is doing set up a newsgroup to provide them feedback or maybe you
cry baby's can set a newsgroup to pat each other on the back for such a
great job you guys are doing out here (laugh, cough , laugh) ...

Anyone else tired of the MVP's please feel free to start giving it back to
them ....

- Mike

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:uD**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Tom,

* "Tom Leylan" <ge*@iamtiredofspam.com> scripsit:
Bottom line is that people have a limited amount of time. If 10% of that time is spent writing "Did my answer help"


Some newsreaders can do that automatically.

But as Cor suggest, I vote for "EOT" too.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

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