How Microsoft sees this newsgroup

[Cor]

This are the people who are awarded for ther work in the newsgroup 2003-2004

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...ward&style=toc

Except Herfried you see nobody on this list who is real active in this
farmost largest developer newsgroup

As Fergus Cooney once said"this is the backyard from the Microsoft
newsgroups".

I do not know how the others who are active in this newsgroup think about
it.

[Charles Law]

Hi Cor

I notice that Jay and Igor are there, but I agree, there are some other big
names missing.

Charles

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:eK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

This are the people who are awarded for ther work in the newsgroup 2003-2004
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...ward&style=toc
Except Herfried you see nobody on this list who is real active in this
farmost largest developer newsgroup

As Fergus Cooney once said"this is the backyard from the Microsoft
newsgroups".

I do not know how the others who are active in this newsgroup think about
it.

[Cor]

Hi Charles,

Jay B also not for his work in VB.net only for Outlook

Cor

I notice that Jay and Igor are there, but I agree, there are some other big names missing.

Charles

ps Is Igor a nickname for somebody

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

Cor,
Actually *any* contributions contribute to being an MVP.

So although I am an Outlook MVP, my contributions here are what helped earn
me the award.

Note: in addition to newsgroups, they look at other areas, such as public
speaking, writing books, writing magazines articles, maintaining a web site.
As long as those activities provides "assistance" with Microsoft products...

Hope this helps
Jay
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Hi Charles,

Jay B also not for his work in VB.net only for Outlook

Cor

I notice that Jay and Igor are there, but I agree, there are some other

big

names missing.

Charles

ps Is Igor a nickname for somebody

[Cor]

Hi Jay,

You had to be awarded in my eyes for your work for dotNet and not (only) for
Outlook

Did you see anyone from this newsgroup or better there is no dotNet at all
there, it looks if they forget that they are doing someting with Net.

I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.

I think I stop with it.

Cor

[ToddT]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:50:03 +0100, "Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote:

Hi Jay,

You had to be awarded in my eyes for your work for dotNet and not (only) for
Outlook

Did you see anyone from this newsgroup or better there is no dotNet at all
there, it looks if they forget that they are doing someting with Net.

I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.

I think I stop with it.

Cor

[Cor]

http://www.teachnet.com/lesson/tech/...ing110900.html

[Cor]

However, you show perfectly how the Microsoft people who have to do with the
Microsoft community think about the ones who are active in this newsgroup.

On the other hand, maybe it is only me, but than they could have corrected
that earlier.

While when I see a MVP who is contributing here (excluding Tom and Jay B) he
mostly only paste links and for that, you do not need the book you are
advising.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

[William Ryan [eMVP]]

Cor: if you check out the FAQ
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;en-us;mvpfaqs it says
pretty clearly that there isn't a set formula. I"m not sure what you mean
by 'throwing rubbish' in this newsgroup so I can't really address that.
However, many people participate in NG's all over the place, run or
participate in forums at other web sites, write articles/books etc so
perhaps it may appear that they just started in January, but considering the
fact that it's January now, you can't really claim that someone made MVP who
had no visibility in the .NET community whatsoever last year, started
posting in Jan 2004 and made MVP based on that alone.

HTH,

Bill

How can I become a Microsoft MVP?
There is no set formula, script, or plan you can follow that will guarantee
that you will receive an award. If you have recently begun participating in
a Microsoft peer-based community, do not expect to move into a leadership
role overnight. Earning the respect of your peers and earning recognition
from Microsoft takes time. If you have been participating for a while, you
may already be on your way to achieving MVP status.
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:#n**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Hi Jay,

You had to be awarded in my eyes for your work for dotNet and not (only) for Outlook

Did you see anyone from this newsgroup or better there is no dotNet at all
there, it looks if they forget that they are doing someting with Net.

I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.
I think I stop with it.

Cor

[Cor]

Hi William,

Hi Willam,

You can be sure that you and Miha have my deepest respect. (You where also
no MVP in January, so it could not be you).

I know what you are doing in the ADO net group and when you were not
awarded, than you where with the ones I am talking about. (However, luckily,
you are awarded; it is a contradiction in my writing because you are from a
dotnet group).

When I am talking about MVP who came over than it are the ones from the
classic VB groups who suddenly at the end of December and begin January
became active here.

From the real persons from the VB.net group is nobody awarded (Herfried was
it already for his work in the German groups).

In addition, that despite that it is the fastest growing and largest
developer newsgroup from Microsoft where the regulars get many compliments.

Cor.

..

[William Ryan [eMVP]]

Thanks for the kind words, and being included in the same sentence as Miha
is true compliment.

I tried sending you a quick off topic note but the email address bounced
back. If you get a second, drop me an email at bi**@NOSPAM.devbuzz.com

Thanks,

Bill
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Hi William,

Hi Willam,

You can be sure that you and Miha have my deepest respect. (You where also
no MVP in January, so it could not be you).

I know what you are doing in the ADO net group and when you were not
awarded, than you where with the ones I am talking about. (However, luckily, you are awarded; it is a contradiction in my writing because you are from a dotnet group).

When I am talking about MVP who came over than it are the ones from the
classic VB groups who suddenly at the end of December and begin January
became active here.

From the real persons from the VB.net group is nobody awarded (Herfried was it already for his work in the German groups).

In addition, that despite that it is the fastest growing and largest
developer newsgroup from Microsoft where the regulars get many compliments.
Cor.

.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

However, you show perfectly how the Microsoft people who have to do with the
Microsoft community think about the ones who are active in this newsgroup.

On the other hand, maybe it is only me, but than they could have corrected
that earlier.

While when I see a MVP who is contributing here (excluding Tom and Jay B) he
mostly only paste links and for that, you do not need the book you are
advising.

I think the number of typos/grammar mistakes (even made by non-native
speakers) isn't a criterion for being awarded (at least, I hope it
isn't)...

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

This are the people who are awarded for ther work in the newsgroup 2003-2004

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...ward&style=toc

Except Herfried you see nobody on this list who is real active in this
farmost largest developer newsgroup
Is "Kenneth Tucker" = "Ken Tucker [MVP]"?

As Fergus Cooney once said"this is the backyard from the Microsoft
newsgroups".

I do not know how the others who are active in this newsgroup think about
it.

Mhm...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Did you see anyone from this newsgroup or better there is no dotNet at all
there, it looks if they forget that they are doing someting with Net.
Just a hint: There are some other factors which count for being
awarded as an MVP. Using a valid email address can help, otherwise it
may be impossible for Microsoft to contact the person they want to
award.
I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.

Sorry, I don't understand...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* ToddT <NO********@SPAMmaritz.com> scripsit:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

Maybe I should buy that book too. Thanks for the tip!

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

That about throwing rubish is of course not you Herfried, you could thing
about that.

I shaw a change in behaviour from MPV's from other newsgroups comming to
this group.

You throw sometimes also rubish (connection strings on the wrong place is
the most done), but mostly it is "or very good, good or not bad".

And how about Armin, what he contributes is also not forever very good,
however very often it meets standards that most MVP's except Jay B even
cannot reach.

Cor

[Tom Shelton]

On 2004-01-29, Cor <no*@non.com> wrote:

That about throwing rubish is of course not you Herfried, you could thing
about that.

I shaw a change in behaviour from MPV's from other newsgroups comming to
this group.

You throw sometimes also rubish (connection strings on the wrong place is
the most done), but mostly it is "or very good, good or not bad".

And how about Armin, what he contributes is also not forever very good,
however very often it meets standards that most MVP's except Jay B even
cannot reach.

Cor

Forgive me Cor, but I'm having a hard time understanding the point of
this thread...

Are you wondering how people get selected? Are you wondering if
contributing on this group can get you selected? Are you saying that we
all suck?

--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
Powered By Gentoo Linux 1.4
In order to discover who you are, first learn who everybody else is;
you're what's left.

[Cor]

Hi Tom,

This is written in this thread by me to Jay B.

I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.

I am wondering how people get selected but more if ever someone from
Microsoft responsible for the newsgroups is seeing this newsgroup.

The last 4 months I have only seen things from some Microsoft guys with
Asian types of names, but that was only a kind of contribution, not involved
in the newsgroup communitiy, and surely not things as looking to this
newsgroup. No reaction on bugs, only one time when there was it seemed a
customer who was very angry and maybe had contacted Microsoft.

This is also once mentioned by Fergus and then he said we are in the
backyard newgroup from Microsoft.

There where some guys in this newsgroup (I am not talking alone about me)
who did a lot of good work for Microsoft.

This is become the far most largest developer newsgroup from Microsoft (and
normaly comparising with other newsgroups with very short threads, so even a
larger newsgroup)

While I get messages from people from other newsgroups that the behaviour is
so nice in this newsgroup.

From this newsgroup (you cannot say you are with the most active ones in
this newsgroup) is no one awarded by Microsoft for his work in the VB.net
group. This is more obvious because Jay B also has not becomed a VB.net MVP.

Cor

[Cor]

A little addition before it is wrong readed.

And how about Armin, what he contributes is also not forever very good,
however very often it meets standards that most MVP's except Jay B even
cannot reach.

With "not forever" I only want to say that there maybe sometimes be
something that is not right, but also that is mostly is.

[Mattias Sjögren]

Cor,

I am wondering how people get selected but more if ever someone from
Microsoft responsible for the newsgroups is seeing this newsgroup.
This is one of the MSDN managed newsgroups, so there have to be PSS
folks answering some of the questions here. The presence of VB.NET
team members was certainly better a while ago than it is today, but I
guess they're busy working on the next release so you can't really
blame them. As for finding MVP candidates, this groups is definitely
seen too.

The last 4 months I have only seen things from some Microsoft guys with
Asian types of names,
Why does their name matter?

No reaction on bugs,
Well that's one thing MVPs can help you with. If no one from MSFT sees
a bug report here, we can usually make sure it's passed on to the
right people.

you cannot say you are with the most active ones in this newsgroup)
FWIW, quality (correctness and so on) tends to matter more than
quantity when it comes to nominating MVPs.

is no one awarded by Microsoft for his work in the VB.net
group.

I know that at least one person active here could have gotten the
award, but declined to accept it. So just because someone isn't
awarded doesn't mean their contributions haven't been seen.

Mattias

--
Mattias Sjögren [MVP] mattias @ mvps.org
http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/ | http://www.dotnetinterop.com
Please reply only to the newsgroup.

[Tom Shelton]

In article <Ob**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Cor wrote:

Hi Tom,

This is written in this thread by me to Jay B.

I saw some people who I have seen starting in januari who where MVP (and
that are not you, Herfried or Tom) to throw some rubish in this newsgroup.

I am wondering how people get selected but more if ever someone from
Microsoft responsible for the newsgroups is seeing this newsgroup.

The last 4 months I have only seen things from some Microsoft guys with
Asian types of names, but that was only a kind of contribution, not involved
in the newsgroup communitiy, and surely not things as looking to this
newsgroup. No reaction on bugs, only one time when there was it seemed a
customer who was very angry and maybe had contacted Microsoft.

This is also once mentioned by Fergus and then he said we are in the
backyard newgroup from Microsoft.

There where some guys in this newsgroup (I am not talking alone about me)
who did a lot of good work for Microsoft.

This is become the far most largest developer newsgroup from Microsoft (and
normaly comparising with other newsgroups with very short threads, so even a
larger newsgroup)

While I get messages from people from other newsgroups that the behaviour is
so nice in this newsgroup.

From this newsgroup (you cannot say you are with the most active ones in
this newsgroup) is no one awarded by Microsoft for his work in the VB.net
group. This is more obvious because Jay B also has not becomed a VB.net MVP.

Cor

Mattias answer was dead on. And so you know, they removed the
distinction between a vb and vb.net mvp.

And yes - a people here are noticed.
--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
OS Name: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
System Up Time: 0 Days, 19 Hours, 38 Minutes, 45 Seconds

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

That about throwing rubish is of course not you Herfried, you could thing
about that.
:-)
I shaw a change in behaviour from MPV's from other newsgroups comming to
this group.
I didn't change my behavior, but I learned a lot.
You throw sometimes also rubish (connection strings on the wrong place is
the most done), but mostly it is "or very good, good or not bad".
I am /still/ learning. I am not very familiar with database stuff, so I
appreciate to be corrected if I am telling rubbish.
And how about Armin, what he contributes is also not forever very good,
however very often it meets standards that most MVP's except Jay B even
cannot reach.

It's not up to me to decide who is elected as MVP.

Once another MVP told me: "If you think it's time you will be awarded,
you are on the half way".

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Hi Mattias,

If you did know more of the VB.net newsgroup you could have seen that I am a
long time active here.

Your answer to me is as someone once wrote to me, Cor you looks if you are
from Micorosoft now with this answer.

But that answer I could read myself he told me, the rest of his writing was
in the trend that he told that he was expecting from me an answer, not a
response.

But you are for me one of those MVP's I was talking about, knows nothing
from VB.net but throws sometimes a useless response in this newsgroup.

The same as you do now.

Cor

[Cor]

Hi Tom,

Mattias answer was dead on. And so you know, they removed the
distinction between a vb and vb.net mvp.

I checked your answers in this newsgroup last month,

There where almost only about application start, about the int64 and about
redim,

Greath contribution Tom for the rest it where answers as above.

I see now what it needs to be a VB MVP

Cpr

[Cor]

Hi Herfried,

You do not need to go in this discussion, this is something you are (not
yet) good in.

But thanks for your answer not written words from someone you know a little
bit, tells enough.

:-)

Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

But you are for me one of those MVP's I was talking about, knows nothing
from VB.net but throws sometimes a useless response in this newsgroup.

Mattias isn't very active in this group, but I think he didn't get
awarded for his contribution to /this/ group /only/. I won't comment
the rest of your statement.

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Tom Shelton]

In article <O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, Cor wrote:

Hi Tom,

Mattias answer was dead on. And so you know, they removed the
distinction between a vb and vb.net mvp.

I checked your answers in this newsgroup last month,

There where almost only about application start, about the int64 and about
redim,

Well, I've been pretty busy lately. I haven't had as much time to spend
in the groups as I would like. So, many times things are answered
before I have a chance :) I don't see any need to reiterate what
someone has already said. And like Herfried, I'm not familiar with
database stuff - so I don't have anything useful to say there. It is
something I'm just now starting to work with, though.

The fact is Cor that I have been posting on VB groups for quite some
time. Years in fact. On both MS and non-MS servers. And I only got
awarded in October.

Nothing I said was meant to be a personal attack. I know you are a
great contributor to this group - and I'm sure that it is noticed. If
you haven't been awarded yet - don't take it personally, just keep doing
what you're doing and I'm sure it will happen.

--
Tom Shelton [MVP]
OS Name: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
System Up Time: 0 Days, 20 Hours, 38 Minutes, 47 Seconds

[Cor]

In the answer from Matthias, is something that can bring my writing in a
wrong direction which I absolute did not mean.

I find that you (and I hope I do not forget one of you) do a greath job in
the dotnet newsgroups being active more or less in the background of the
groups.

I only took the shortcut "Asian" names because with that I recognise you
always.

Cor

[Cor [LVP]]

Hi Tom,

Accepted, I have already said to much words in this thread I normaly not do,
so I keep it with that.

(To get an answer in the way you know me, I was making a message on that fax
message of you that had bring you to the bottom, now I forget it of course,
even although I have a better answer).

:-))

Cor

[Cor]

To show you I have listen to you

[Mattias Sjögren]

Cor,

If you did know more of the VB.net newsgroup you could have seen that I am a
long time active here.
I never said that you weren't, did I?

Oh, and FWIW, I've been posting here for about two years longer than
you according to Google, so I think I know this place pretty well.

Your answer to me
.... was a sincere attempt to answer some of your questions. I'm not
sure exactly how to interpret your reply, but it looks mostly like a
lame attempt to pick a fight. I hope I'm wrong.

knows nothing from VB.net
Interesting, I'd like to think that I do, so how did you come to that
conclusion? I assume you can back it up with some facts.

but throws sometimes a useless response in this newsgroup.

If you think my posts are useless, feel free to plonk me.

Mattias

--
Mattias Sjögren [MVP] mattias @ mvps.org
http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/ | http://www.dotnetinterop.com
Please reply only to the newsgroup.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* Mattias Sjögren <ma********************@mvps.org> scripsit:

but throws sometimes a useless response in this newsgroup.

If you think my posts are useless, feel free to plonk me.

I always appreciate your posts, especially if you are correcting me!

:-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

> I never said that you weren't, did I?

Why than writting that previous message.

I told you people here are not waiting on responses but on answers.

But please EOT.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

You do not need to go in this discussion, this is something you are (not
yet) good in.

I take part in a discussion if I think it makes sense (for me).

:-)))

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Hi Herfried,

This is not a good one from me, but if you want than I will train you once
in it.

I am from original from the most centerpart of Amsterdam, we do it as a
sport.

Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

This is not a good one from me, but if you want than I will train you once
in it.

I am from original from the most centerpart of Amsterdam, we do it as a
sport.

I will make a stop in Amsterdam when I will fly to the United States in
April.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>