How can I wirte ASP applications???

[Arturo Toledo]

Yes, I know I am a beginner hahaha. Anyway.

I´ve been studyng ASP and web xml service development. I use Visual Basic
..NET STANDARD Edition...
Everytime I need to tryout a script or module I get asked by VS to install
that on a virtual server in my computer... that´s supposed to be done with
IIS adn I guess I don´t have that installed so I can´t do any testing... Do
you have any resources on the net to learn how to do this??? I don´t know
If this IIS is included with my Standard Edition of VB . NET...

Thanks!

Arturo

[CJ Taylor]

IIS would be with your copy of WindowsXP Pro or Windows 2000 Pro...
(maybe...)
"Arturo Toledo" <ar****@miltonfrank.tv> wrote in message
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Yes, I know I am a beginner hahaha. Anyway.

I´ve been studyng ASP and web xml service development. I use Visual Basic
.NET STANDARD Edition...
Everytime I need to tryout a script or module I get asked by VS to install
that on a virtual server in my computer... that´s supposed to be done with
IIS adn I guess I don´t have that installed so I can´t do any testing... Do you have any resources on the net to learn how to do this??? I don´t know
If this IIS is included with my Standard Edition of VB . NET...

Thanks!

Arturo

[Mike Hildner]

What OS are you using - IIS ships with the OS, not VS.NET.

If you have an OS that supports it, you can install by add/remove programs,
add windows component.

I'm not sure if VS standard is limited in any way for what you want to do,
but MS's site has that info (somewhere)

HTH,
Mike
"Arturo Toledo" <ar****@miltonfrank.tv> wrote in message
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Yes, I know I am a beginner hahaha. Anyway.

I´ve been studyng ASP and web xml service development. I use Visual Basic
.NET STANDARD Edition...
Everytime I need to tryout a script or module I get asked by VS to install
that on a virtual server in my computer... that´s supposed to be done with
IIS adn I guess I don´t have that installed so I can´t do any testing... Do you have any resources on the net to learn how to do this??? I don´t know
If this IIS is included with my Standard Edition of VB . NET...

Thanks!

Arturo

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Arturo Toledo" <ar****@miltonfrank.tv> scripsit:

Yes, I know I am a beginner hahaha. Anyway.

I´ve been studyng ASP and web xml service development. I use Visual Basic
.NET STANDARD Edition...

The Standard Edition is very limited for that purpose. Have a look at
Web Matrix (a free tool):

<http://www.asp.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46>

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Arturo Toledo]

Thanks. I was able to install IIS with my WinXP CD.
I can now create ASP stuff. I do know the Standard Edition is limited in
web development. I´ll check it out and see If I´ll need to go up
Professional. Might wait for Whidbey though... Web Matrix is also a good
advice. Thanks!

Arturo
"Arturo Toledo" <ar****@miltonfrank.tv> escribió en el mensaje
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Yes, I know I am a beginner hahaha. Anyway.

I´ve been studyng ASP and web xml service development. I use Visual Basic
.NET STANDARD Edition...
Everytime I need to tryout a script or module I get asked by VS to install
that on a virtual server in my computer... that´s supposed to be done with
IIS adn I guess I don´t have that installed so I can´t do any testing... Do you have any resources on the net to learn how to do this??? I don´t know
If this IIS is included with my Standard Edition of VB . NET...

Thanks!

Arturo

[Cor]

Herfried,

The Standard Edition is very limited for that purpose. Have a look at
Web Matrix (a free tool):

This is written at the standard editon product info
-------------
a.. Rapid Application Development for the Web
Use the Web Forms designer to quickly build true thin-client Web
applications that intelligently render on any browser and on any platform.
---------------
Are you sure about your answer?

Cor

[Chris Dunaway]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:34:30 -0600, Arturo Toledo wrote:

web development. I´ll check it out and see If I´ll need to go up
Professional. Might wait for Whidbey though... Web Matrix is also a good
advice. Thanks!

One nice thing about Web Matrix is that you don't need IIS. It has its own
built in server for testing web apps.

Whidbey has the Visual Web Designer which is almost the same as Web Matrix
but with added functionality.

Whidbey is going to be pretty cool.

--
Chris

To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my E-Mail
address.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

The Standard Edition is very limited for that purpose. Have a look at
Web Matrix (a free tool):

This is written at the standard editon product info
-------------
a.. Rapid Application Development for the Web
Use the Web Forms designer to quickly build true thin-client Web
applications that intelligently render on any browser and on any platform.
---------------
Are you sure about your answer?

Partly. You cannot create web controls with VB.NET Standard, but simple
web applications should work.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/howtobuy/choosing.aspx>

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Hi Herfried,

That you can also not with the Web Matrix, and therefore VB.net standard is
a better approach I think.

Cor

The Standard Edition is very limited for that purpose. Have a look at
Web Matrix (a free tool):

Partly. You cannot create web controls with VB.NET Standard, but simple
web applications should work.

[Cor]

Hi Chris,

Did you see things that are more in the Matrix designer than in the
Visual.Studio.Web designer

For me it is just a copy of a small part of the visual.studio.webdesigner

Without by instance servercontrols and aspx.vb code.

I did not look that long, but I did not see more than in VB.net

The only thing that you can say is about that IIS when you not are working
on a professional NT/x version.

Cor

[CJ Taylor]

Thats doesn't make sense...

After all isn't a web control simply something that inherits from
System.Web.UI.Control? Which is part of the .NET framework?

so couldn't your write your own inherited class to do so? and then just
design the ascx around it to inherit from your compliled class? Is that
limited by the compiler?

-CJ

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

The Standard Edition is very limited for that purpose. Have a look at
Web Matrix (a free tool):

This is written at the standard editon product info
-------------
a.. Rapid Application Development for the Web
Use the Web Forms designer to quickly build true thin-client Web
applications that intelligently render on any browser and on any platform. ---------------
Are you sure about your answer?

Partly. You cannot create web controls with VB.NET Standard, but simple
web applications should work.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/howtobuy/choosing.aspx>

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[CJ Taylor]

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Hi Chris,

Did you see things that are more in the Matrix designer than in the
Visual.Studio.Web designer
Cor.has.been.programming.dot.net.too.long.com.org. edu

=)

For me it is just a copy of a small part of the visual.studio.webdesigner

Without by instance servercontrols and aspx.vb code.

I did not look that long, but I did not see more than in VB.net

The only thing that you can say is about that IIS when you not are working
on a professional NT/x version.

Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "CJ Taylor" <no****@blowgoats.com> scripsit:

After all isn't a web control simply something that inherits from
System.Web.UI.Control? Which is part of the .NET framework?

I never wrote an ASP.NET web control... I don't know. I am interested
in the answer too...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[CJ Taylor]

one of those times Microsoft could go ahead and jump in and answer that
question for us. =)

I've developed a lot of web apps (good portion .NET now, mainly working with
SharePoint and DNN,Rainbow,IBS,Schwing) and the structure of ASP.NET is
pretty simple.

If you have ever studied MVC, you see where microsoft gets there ideas from
on it. Though its not a true MVC Architcture (though, it sorta is... you
don't really have to write the controller persay, the event wireup handles
that portion of it... which is nice, take that Java!) its still functions in
the fact you separate your presentation from your other logic. and ASP.NET
enforces this by

a) an ASCX file is nothing but html...
b) it just sets a Inherits in the page declaration above, this must inherit
from System.Web.UI.Control (pretty sure thats right), after that its all
gravy and property binding...

This is the point at which i see the similarities between Java's
Velocity/Struts/Swing/wahtever frameworks and a lot of the external
frameworks (DNN,Rainbow,IBS,etc) that exist...

So the only way I could see the limitation existing in VB.NET Standard would
be

a) the MDE/IDE doesn't support the ability to build web user controls
VISUALLY.
b) the compiler won't compile anything that inherits from .Control... which
would be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. so like you herfried, I
would like to see if this is an actual limitation or a "placebo" if you
will.

=)

-CJ


"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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* "CJ Taylor" <no****@blowgoats.com> scripsit:

After all isn't a web control simply something that inherits from
System.Web.UI.Control? Which is part of the .NET framework?

I never wrote an ASP.NET web control... I don't know. I am interested
in the answer too...

--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Arturo Toledo]

The only reason I see for someone to use Web Matrix is because it´s free.
(more than a good reason for a bunch of people), but with Visual Studio web
development you can do everything you can with Web Matrix. WM is on the
other hand more than enough to develop good web apps. I have been able to
use my VB NET Standard without web matrix and it´s all good.

Arturo
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"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Hi Chris,

Did you see things that are more in the Matrix designer than in the
Visual.Studio.Web designer

Cor.has.been.programming.dot.net.too.long.com.org. edu

=)

For me it is just a copy of a small part of the visual.studio.webdesigner
Without by instance servercontrols and aspx.vb code.

I did not look that long, but I did not see more than in VB.net

The only thing that you can say is about that IIS when you not are working on a professional NT/x version.

Cor