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If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++ which
you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
"basic".

to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done
well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.

Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George,
..vg for visual george.

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Name: James Allen Bressem
Phone: (323) 691-4279
Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
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Cor
Hi James,
Do you know that in my IE I got a lot of Java script Errors on your mirror
website, it says that an sentence is not corrected closed at row 204, (this
is no joke) this maybe because of bad used begin { and } ends?
to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.


By the way, basicly we agree, only last week I had a very deep nested if, I
was glad I could see it with all those end sub end if etc. so I became in
doubt this week.

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #2

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Nak
James,
If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++ which you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
"basic".
Well, I think you will find that "Visual Basic" still contains the basic
langauge, but it has been extended so that you can perform modern
programming methodologies such as Object Orientation and the like. Do you
not think that this is an important thing to have in a modern programming
language? And if you think it is, then what is so wrong about VB's
interpretation of it? Please give suggestions as to how it could have been
done better, because at the end of the day that is the only similarity with
C++, the object orientated aspects.
to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.
Hmm, I as do many others actually prefer using "End this" and "End that"
than using curly braces, this is not C nor C++ it is Basic, and this style
of encapsulation has allways been with Visual Basic. What is so hard about
it? Can you not read code that has to have these specifically written on a
separate line rather than compacted into a ball?

private string compactBall()
{return ("tiny");}

Private Function compactBall() As String
Return ("stil quite tiny")
End Function

You will probably find that even though code has to be written in this way
that Visual Basic programs are still far smaller than C / C++ programs due
to the fact that the language is a high level language.
Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George, .vg for visual george.


What? I think that you suck, do you find Visual Basic too hard to program
in and that is why you have decided to have a pop at it in here? this
newsgroup isn't called
"microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb.pointless.gr ipe".

If you don't like Visual Basic, don't use it, as simple as that, stop
pissing and moaning and go back to your curly braces and case sensitive
programming!

Nick.

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Nov 20 '05 #3

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find better things to do with your time.

vb did not merge with any other laguage. rather, it has made a dramatic
shift in enabling more oop functionality which has *not* been borne from
c/c++. 'end this, end that'...if you ever worked on large code bases, even
in c/c++, you'd notice immediately that all end segments either End Sub,
Next, Loop or } are commented for legibility and easier code mantenance.
this is usually a coding standard requirement from the company for whom you
work. i purpose that if you had a job, you would be familiar with the latter
and you wouldn't have the free time to waste in maligning inconsequencial
comparison.

steve

"James Allen Bressem" <18*****@SprintMail.Com> wrote in message
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| If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
| simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++
which
| you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
| "basic".
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| to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have
done
| well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
| which is so much easier and less congesting.
|
| Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
| sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for
George,
| .vg for visual george.
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| Name: James Allen Bressem
| Phone: (323) 691-4279
| Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
| UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
| Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
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Nov 20 '05 #4

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I concur. Let's get rid of the basic in Visual Basic and make the syntax
more C like. Perhaps we need a new language name. How about C#? I like that.
Kewl!!!

Acutally, I think Karl Peterson would say Visual Fred is more apt, but
George is okay.

NOTE: I assume you are being tongue in cheek; if you are being serious, I
missed the intent and fed the trolls.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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"James Allen Bressem" <18*****@SprintMail.Com> wrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++ which you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
"basic".

to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.

Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George, .vg for visual george.

--
-----------------------------
Name: James Allen Bressem
Phone: (323) 691-4279
Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
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Nov 20 '05 #5

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The mitigation of economic progression is here. At the elimination of
criticism. Once you have successfully eliminated all oposition to your every
endeavor you have created a dynasty of madness. What we see here in this
news group is an exemplification of what we see in this over all society.
Namely that people have succeeded in securing "Their Verson" of reality, as
it suits "Them" and in so doing have entered into the relm of madness while
believing "their truth" is the only truth. Such things are always prevalent
at the end of a civilization.
Which is why we have UCOM, www.UCOM-ISM.com because it is time to see
through this madness.

--
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Name: James Allen Bressem
Phone: (323) 691-4279
Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
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"James Allen Bressem" <18*****@SprintMail.Com> wrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++ which you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
"basic".

to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.

Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George, .vg for visual george.

--
-----------------------------
Name: James Allen Bressem
Phone: (323) 691-4279
Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
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Nov 20 '05 #6

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Cor
Hi James,
Wait till Fergus is here,
You get what we call in my country a very big cake from own wheat.
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #7

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James,
If you have an aversion for End This & That, while preferring curly braces
{} then you need to consider C#.
Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George, .vg for visual george. If you are going to be VB.NET bashing, then use its 'official' bashing name.
;-)

Visual Fred.

http://www.mvps.org/vb/index2.html?rants/vfred.htm

As personally there is no real need to be giving VB.NET any more 'slang'
names!

Hope this helps
Jay

"James Allen Bressem" <18*****@SprintMail.Com> wrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... If you are going to merge with c++ the least you can do is stick with the
simplified aspects of c++ while creating your simplified subset of c++ which you will call vb as in Visual Basic, while forgetting the meaning of
"basic".

to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have done well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
which is so much easier and less congesting.

Also the file name extension of .vb? I don't like it at all! It basically
sucks. They should have made it .b for basic, or even better .g for George, .vg for visual george.

--
-----------------------------
Name: James Allen Bressem
Phone: (323) 691-4279
Email: 18*****@SprintMail.Com
UCOM: http://www.ucom-ism.com
Mirror site: http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwizards
-----------------------------



Nov 20 '05 #8

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Nak
> The mitigation of economic progression is here. At the elimination of
criticism. Once you have successfully eliminated all oposition to your every endeavor you have created a dynasty of madness. What we see here in this
news group is an exemplification of what we see in this over all society.
Namely that people have succeeded in securing "Their Verson" of reality, as it suits "Them" and in so doing have entered into the relm of madness while believing "their truth" is the only truth. Such things are always prevalent at the end of a civilization.


That's a mighty lot of something about nothing there!

Thought of becoming a cult leader?

Nick.

--
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #9

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rofl...even in broken english, i know *exactly* what you mean!

lol.

steve
Nov 20 '05 #10

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| to hades with End Class, End sub, End this and End that. VB would have
done
| well to take on the C construct of opening and closing with brackets {}
| which is so much easier and less congesting.

by the way, did you post the above in the ms sql server newsgroup...just
change the references from vb to sql server and the same applies...if
<statement> begin <body> END.
Nov 20 '05 #11

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Nak
Hi James,

A quote from your site,

"It is so in that the sexual act functions quite well at solving the Human
problem. Three chief methods Humans use to solve their problems are
encountered in the act of having sex, the pleasure of tactile sensations
offers escape through obliviousness, the value attributable to self via the
actual or imagined mates need of you to obtain the solution (pleasure), and
the feeling of centrality of value, or conquest via having subjected a Human
to your will; which is the highest Human pleasure or solution. This third
may not even be known as a possibility to some Humans do to a lack of
necessity, though it must exist in however infantile a stage."

You need to get some poontang!

Nick.

--
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #12

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rofl !!!!!

"Nak" <a@a.com> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| Hi James,
|
| A quote from your site,
|
| "It is so in that the sexual act functions quite well at solving the Human
| problem. Three chief methods Humans use to solve their problems are
| encountered in the act of having sex, the pleasure of tactile sensations
| offers escape through obliviousness, the value attributable to self via
the
| actual or imagined mates need of you to obtain the solution (pleasure),
and
| the feeling of centrality of value, or conquest via having subjected a
Human
| to your will; which is the highest Human pleasure or solution. This third
| may not even be known as a possibility to some Humans do to a lack of
| necessity, though it must exist in however infantile a stage."
|
| You need to get some poontang!
|
| Nick.
|
| --
|
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| "No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."
|
| Fergus - September 5th 2003
|
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Nov 20 '05 #13

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ROFL
Nov 20 '05 #14

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Cor
Good Morning

Did you read my answers on this post?

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #15

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Howdy Cor,

Actually .. ;-))

I can't resist misquoting James

|| Namely that one person has succeeded in securing
|| in his deluded mind "His Verson" of reality, as it suits
|| "Him" and in so doing has entered into the realm of
|| madness while believing "his truth" is the <only> truth.
|| Such things are always prevalent at the end of sanity.

There - spot-on.

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #16

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Good morning Cor,

|| Did you read my answers on this post?

I sure did. LOL. I think I may have gone in an unexpected direction,
though. ;-))

Regards,
Fergus

ps. James will have to wait for his cake - I've been cooking some other stuff
in the kitchen.
Nov 20 '05 #17

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Cor
Hi Fergus,

Forget it all, you were not the looser, unfortunately* like in all this kind
of cases there is no winner.

But when you take it like you said as a senior, you will see the starter in
life, has learned from it. (Although I don't say that he was the looser
either and I hope he learned a little bit that this is not the way to reach
your goals).

What not was seen was that you took a time some messages without your style
of quoting.
(Something I had probably not done so fast but at the end I would have
changed it (a little bit) because of Tom's arguments in his message).

I think that for the group in this case the one who stops the first with
doing childish will be the winner.

(* I learned that "unfortunately" from Mick, I am very happy he told me,
when you see those consistent errors of me, warn me too please, not all my
typos, because those are also a lot, I have no spellchecker on my OE in
English but would of course make errors even if I had that)

But look at the site of James, I did not really read it, but I thought, that
is something for Fergus.

Cor

Nov 20 '05 #18

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Hi Cor,

I've resisted and resisted. Sorry - this one I couldn't pass by. [ ;-) or
:-( ]

Blimey, I didn't even think to bother with James' site - Maybe later. But
first some code for Scorpion. Something more juicy than that last snippet.

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #19

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Cor
Hi Fergus,

I cannot get the idea what really is the problem from Scorpion?

(What does he tries to reach, is it a batch mail or just a call to a mailer
program).
For the last I did thought; why not use a piece of java in a html call.

Do you know that?

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #20

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Hi Cor,

Big ROFL.

Using Javascript in Html to send mail - hmmm, I don't know if that can be
done. I have my doubts. ;-))
You know in all that thread Scorpion didn't actually say what he was going
to <do> wth the SMTP Server info and I didn't ask as I was too focused on the
Registry aspect. I think I'll go post that question now.

Regards,
Fergus

ps How serious are you about this English improvement idea that you mentioned?
Nov 20 '05 #21

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Cor
Hi Fergus,
ps How serious are you about this English improvement idea that you

mentioned?

Mark me on the things I do consequently fault.
(There are a lot I know, but like that "as well as" I did know it, but
forgot it). And especialy when I use words that do not exist in English,
like Mike did.

That would help I think in the beginning the most, Short marks, just say
"Happenly" or "Argumenting" does not exist in English, not a course, that
does nothing to me. This kind of things, I look it up and then hit against
my head and laugh.

You know when I read English there is really almost no difference for me
with Dutch.
(And I love the Calfornian English with all those Spanish words in it, a lot
of computermanuals where in the beginning written in that language).

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #22

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Hi Cor,

How about if I append your sentence plus one or two alternates (not
reworded as ferguspeak but just the right Cor words)? That way they won't be a
main issue and you can use them or not.

Another way would be to email you - so that you could read them at your
leisure. For that I'd need to be reminded of which www to look at.

I like 'happenly'. ;-) - it's a mixture of happily and 'as it happens'.

Regards,
Fergus

Mark me on the things I do consequently fault.
Mark me on the things I frequently get wrong.
Nov 20 '05 #23

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Cor
Fergus,

Ligthert

But I got the idea happily was wrong, happenly was just a typo.

And when I saw it I saw that from happenly too, there once was a movie with
Anthony Queen, the happening, there was a song in from Diana Ross or was it
still the Three Degrees.I did like the movie and the song.

That "I get it frequently wrong" is a good one again. But is very difficult
to remember for me, not logical for me but frequently is no problem.

I saw you are going to bed, to see you tonight.

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #24

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Nak
Hi Cor and Fergus,
And when I saw it I saw that from happenly too, there once was a movie with Anthony Queen, the happening, there was a song in from Diana Ross or was it still the Three Degrees.I did like the movie and the song.
:-D
I saw you are going to bed, to see you tonight.
LOL, I see you two are becoming quite well aquainted! *snigger* You're
certainly one very helpful guy Fergus, it's nice to see someone offering
advice on English, in fact it's an excellent idea, well done.

Nick.

--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... Fergus,

Ligthert

But I got the idea happily was wrong, happenly was just a typo.

That "I get it frequently wrong" is a good one again. But is very difficult to remember for me, not logical for me but frequently is no problem.

Cor

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