Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

[I_AM_DON_AND_YOU?]

Whether we can upload the projects (in .zip format) in these newsgroups? I
am asking this because earlier there are more than 50 posts (in one thread)
about this query and they are contradicting with each other (You can find
that post by name date10/22/2003 Time 7:22PM)

I want to get the answer from Microsoft. Therefore, please answer this query
only if you are from Microsoft.

Thanks in advance!

[steve]

> 1) It isn't analogous to this situation. Worm postings are an
attack

and a major one. Posting attachments in order to get a problem solved is far from an attack. The closest you could say on that front is that posting a huge zip when a smaller one would suffice is an attack of thoughtlessness. 2) It isn't in a reasonable position on the scale:- No-one posting
attachments. One person posting an occasional zip - ok..Several people posting a zip - Hmm, do we need that?; Many people - Please, it's not necessary;
Everyone - Now just stop right there!!
keep in mind, i define scale here as it relates to impact and frequency as
the number of given occurances in a specific time-frame...

it is in-line w/ the situation...beit on the extreme side at first
glance...but none the less, if posting is not allowed then it no longer is a
concern. i say that, only to bring it back "in-the-ballpark". i think you
are wholly correct if all you consider is frequency b/c, if you look at the
number of posts w/ attachments over the past month (excluding the jibe ones
in this thread), you just don't see any. as far as scale goes...a 1mb zip is
nothing to most of us here. it's impact on use is really minimal. however, a
worm may be encountered just once and have huge ramifications for all. bear
w/ me, i'm bringing it home. since the "ok" attachments occur w/ rarity, is
there a need to allow them at all as long as other means of passing files
between ng member exists (i.e. std. email) and given that the effects of one
attachment worm can be substancial. it seems we aren't taking advantage of
the ability to post attachments...but someone is...and w/ malicious intent.
i think herf. may have just weighed frequency, scale, and side-effects and
suggested a plausible solution. personally, i don't care either way...i
don't post them and i automatically neglect reading any w/ them. so what
does it matter to me.
We are talking about the lowest region on that scale. It wouldn't happen that we'd reach the higher levels. There simply isn't the need. The vast
majority post a simple query. Sometimes snippets and sometimes long snippets. Occasionally it's useful to have these longer snippets packaged in a zip. We will never get to the stage of everyone posting a zip of their project as a matter of course.
this is very true...but doesn't take into account low frequency-low impact :
low frequency-high impact. low frequency just means hardly anyone posts
attachments. that means the odds are greater in favor of one being
malicious. and the impact of encountering a corruptive attachment is high.
Worm attack postings are at the top end of that scale in terms of
frequency, but they are in a region that will not be visited naturally. So
Herfried's point is 'out-of-bounds' for this discussion but, of course, valid in its own right.
did i bring it any closer to the playing field?
I use the word 'fuzzy' not in the 'fuzzy logic' sense but in the sense
that someone who uses extreme points such as that is often speaking from an emotional place rather than a logical one. This may not be the case here, of course, it is only a perception. But it is one that Cor and I both saw
independantly. And it's consistent with how Herfried's argumentative style has developed over the last few days. He is, like the rest of us in this brawl, very tired, and this adds its own fuzziness.
understood.

|| i guess perspectives are environmentally differing depending
|| on whether one has had ones' own "polluted" before. ;^)

I wish I understood this...
i mean that anyone stung by a worm/virus may be less reticent about
considering allowing attachments than someone who hasn't been zapped before.
it changes your outlook on acceptible risks and alternative activities.

|| given that, i think you've clinically described a common social
|| dynamic...i make that observation completely devoid of emotion
|| mind you. ;^)

because it makes me uncertain of this.

But with two ;^)s, I think it's an atute observation, a compliment .. and an irony. ;-)

yeah, i had to put two there. i have a bad/dry sense of humor and wanted to
make sure you caught it. i agreed w/ you so much that i'm trying to actually
implement your words by seeing a different interpretation from someone who
doesn't have a familiarity w/ herf. to be able to tell when he's just moody
or serious. it s/b a compliment to you and a funny irony.

if we still disagree at this point, i'm fine w/ that. i really see both
sides and wanted to bring out the "off-the-wall" one. at face value, it
is...a little deeper and it's not so insane.

cheers,

steve

and another ;^) to ya.

lol.

[Fergus Cooney]

So what's the bit about the finger and nose then??

[Road Warrior]

LOL never mind

"Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> wrote in message
news:eI**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

So what's the bit about the finger and nose then??

[steve]

well the road kill is b/c i mixed up responses to the wrong thread-post...so
many of them in this darn mess!

apply the following:

Did you say something there? I couldn't work it out.
Regards,
Fergus
to:
Will you repeat that for court?
Cor
and you get:
ditto...lol.
vioala! road kill when read in the wrong spot...implying i don't understand
what i just wrote.

;^)
"Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Hey Road Kill,

How come you block your vision when you pick your nose? Sounds wierd to me. is your face upside down??

It's no good feeding the birds by scattering seed in a sand pit. - it's better to put it where the birds can see it.

[And other phrases filled with indignation...] ;-)

Hhrmmph,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

ROFL

Strange. I looked at that word several times and always saw the 's'.

Must have been picking my nose or something.

[steve]

no, no, no! you forget, oh iron guru...nose-picking is my specialty...hence
the love of my new nickname "road kill" ;^)

anyway, to what word doth thouest ponder in consideration of the letter
's'...pray tell?

steve
"Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> wrote in message
news:ul****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

ROFL

Strange. I looked at that word several times and always saw the 's'.

Must have been picking my nose or something.

[Cor]

Steve,

This brings it totaly of case. The virusses from the microsoft newsgroups
where as far as I know not spreaded by the attachment but by using the email
adresses that were used in this newsgroup. (There are not so much fools in
this newsgroup who do open every attachment that they see thinking it is the
jackpot).

Cor

[steve]

i know cor, and believe you are correct in both cases. however, the
possibility of exploiting communicable "diseases" through the manner that
herf. implies is still very possible. for all the lengthy replies i've
given, i think i can finally sum it up in fewer words. if the consumption
rate of a service in minimal, and the potential for exploit high with high
risk consequences, it then makes the elimination of that service a very
viable option. hardly anyone posts attachments...and if a code snippet
doesn't do it for us, then we can have them email the source.

steve
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
news:ud*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Steve,

This brings it totaly of case. The virusses from the microsoft newsgroups
where as far as I know not spreaded by the attachment but by using the email adresses that were used in this newsgroup. (There are not so much fools in
this newsgroup who do open every attachment that they see thinking it is the jackpot).

Cor

[steve]

btw...where is herf. now, anyway...he's a big boy. i'll let him state his
case...my fingers are sore from typing. ;^)
"Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> wrote in message
news:ul****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

ROFL

Strange. I looked at that word several times and always saw the 's'.

Must have been picking my nose or something.

[Fergus Cooney]

Hi Steve,

I don't know if you've been following the battle bwteen Herfried and
myself over quoting styles.

I've got to say your post was just sooo difficult to read. - Word-wrapped
quoted lines such that some have > and some don't. No indentation to aid
separation of quoted and unquoted. Monolithic paragraphs with no capitals.
Unfamiliar (to me) words like w/, b/c which save you typing three or four
letters but mean that I need to reread the sentence until I've worked it out!

Right. Moan over. Hot air to be dismissed - I'm not starting this one up
again, I just needed to say it. ;-)
[But I reserve the right to use this as an example at some unspecified point
in the future, lol].
|| a 1mb zip is nothing to most of us here

It's a disaster to me! I've got tiny badwidth much of the time.
|| a worm may be encountered just once and have huge ramifications
|| for all. bear w/ me, i'm bringing it home. since the "ok" attachments
|| occur w/ rarity, is there a need to allow them at all as long as other
|| means of passing files between ng member exists (i.e. std. email)
|| and given that the effects of one attachment worm can be substancial.
|| it seems we aren't taking advantage of the ability to post
attachments...
|| but someone is...and w/ malicious intent

I'll answer in a similar style ;-)

true. don't need to bear - you're making sense. they do. good question, so
long as - yes and there is, it can, we are but minimally, they certainly are
...very.

That's a good point. I'd hate to have a long and serious argument with
you - I'd be working very hard to understand you and finding myself agreeing a
lot. ;-) [But then, our disputes would not tend to be long drawn out affairs,
methinks]

Yes, if there was no attachment facility then posters would have to make
of the email address that I always offer. No choice - no dispute. There would
then be no ptential for virus/worm attacks.

However, I'd like to see a Microsoft et. al. solution to these attacks. I
found it surprising, disappointing and still inexplicable <why> these things
had the impact that they did. I don't understand what difficulty there was in
preventing these 156Kers from appearing in the newsgroups. But never mind.

As a helper I'd like the attack issue solved without a blanket ban, and
the ability to grab a zip from the message that I'm actually reading rather
than playing the Mailbox Shuffle. I'd like it even better, lol, if I could
click an attachment and have it unzip into \Tmp and open up VS for me, but I
musn't be greedy. [Hmm, perhaps a web site for uploading to, which creates a
page with a link utilising a special Url Protocol to do all that I want...]

Got to go. I agree - yet I want more.;-))

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Hi Jesse,

I note that you have now contributed several posts of your own to this
WASTED THREAD.

I have wasted my time finding your jokes funny and having a laugh.

You have wasted your time knowing that your jokes were appreciated.

What a waste!!! ;-))

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Hi Road Warrior,

This cat's got curiosity.

Is it anything to do with Steve's big hooter ;^) ?

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Hi Steve,

I made mention of your 'atute' observation and Road Warrior spotted the
absense of the 's' where I have hallucinated it. Comes of keeping the fingers
out and putting the wrong stuff up there, perhaps.

How come you're claiming the Road Kill nickname? I was applying it in
momentary derision to Road Warrior (who, according to his self reference 'you
will be able to see what i said' is also Jesse). Or are you all of them??

Aaagghhh I'm all confused. Maybe I'm not even reading real posts anymore
and just typing away to myself! This last couple of days....

Regards,
Fergus

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

You can post as many 1MB attachments as you like. That would be fine. I
would exercise my option not to download them. You might make some other
people upset, though.

Just don't do 1MB of in-line text. That would piss a million people off!

In news posts attachments are saved inside the post.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

line - you can send me some Edelweiss ;-)

I forgot to ask if I should send you the "Edelweiss" flower or the beer...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

Having read the German netiquette, I must ask you to reconsider sending
1MB attachments.

The German rules clearly state

Do not hang plants from your postings.
Did you even read _why_ this netikette exists (first paragraph)? Is
"Attachment" or "Anhang" really translated to "plant"?
However, if you would like to have InterFlora deliver them to my door,
that would be great! Some Tulips would be cheerful, but that's more Cor's
line - you can send me some Edelweiss ;-)

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

That is absolutly against all newsgroup community rules.
Every individual can choose for it, but it can never be a rule in a
newsgroup community.

For English readers, beneatj is a part of the netetiquete from the German
Microsoft Site.
I keep it untranslated because otherwise we can start making a thread about
simple words. Who wants to translate it, use www.babelfish.org please.

Anhänge sind in den Microsoft-Newsgroups generell unerwünscht. Sie
verlängern für die User lediglich die Downloadzeit auch wenn sie sie gar
nicht lesen möchten. Auch die Virengefahr ist bei Attachments nicht zu
unterschätzen. Die meisten User, besonders die Stammuser, übergehen solche
Postings. Verweisen Sie lieber in Ihrem Posting mit Links auf entsprechende
Downloadmöglichkeiten bzw. auf die Quelle Ihrer Informationen im Web.

In this text is nothing that Fergus(I think) or I(for sure) do not agree
with

But there is nowhere written "Verboten"

You are right, it's possible to post articles with attachments, but
people who do this will be ignored because they prevent some other
people who regularly frequent the groups from accessing other articles.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Binary files (graphics, music, executables etc.) are unwelcome in the
discussion groups of this network. For binary files, there are specialized
groups. In general it is better to do without binary files in the usenet,
but instead to point to download possibilities via FTP or WWW.

I totally can agree with above.

But program code which we are talking about are text file, not binaires.

It has been compressed into a ZIP archive, that's a binary file.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Although Herfried is no German, I was talking about the German
Austria is very close to Germany and it has been part of Germany for
some time. People are _very_ similar.
culture(Prusian culture more), Herfried has probably right, it has not to do
with the amount of rules but with the amount of handling according those
rules.

I would not use my country or Brittain as example, but did you ever been in
Italy on the road. It is greath everybody is driving very fast (but
carefully), and the rules are for the rules.

I remember the British policemen are so popular, but I never read that
the German policemen are propular...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

There are also a <lot> of rules. <<A lot>>. What was it you were saying
about the Germans not having more rules, Herfried?

A lot of rules that make sense. The rules guarantee the best service
for all people participating to the groups.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

I would love to ride in Italy - a large and v. fast motorbike ;-))))

With a laptop + internet connection?

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "I_AM_DON_AND_YOU?" <us**@domain.com> scripsit:

Someone has found a web-link from Microsoft Website and it clearly says that
it is ok to have attachment (less than 1MB size) at Microsoft Newsgroups.

I know this link. I only told you to stop posting attachments because
you will have a better chance to get an answer if you don't include
files with your multipart messages.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

Don't forget to keep that commanding tone in your voice. I'm sure
Microsoft will jump to it as much as everyone else who you order around.

In the meantime, I'll ask them politely to replace that <outdated>
netiquette in the German newsgroup with the correct English version.

Your behavior is against every community because it seems that you like
it when people have problems accessing the groups and worms/viruses can
be posted to the groups.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Hi Herfried and Armin,

I have checked all your messages, it where all bytes.

:-))
Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Did you hate it when the servers didn't work some weeks ago? This was
caused by the attachments added to the worm posts. If attachments would
be forbidden in general, there would be fewer problems.

This is finding a reason, mostly used by people when they starts to see he
cannot win with normal arguments.

One of the main reason swen spammed the newsgroups was that the server
didn't block multipart posts.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Hi Herfried and Armin,

I have checked all your messages, it where all bytes.

;-)

Are you sure you read the RFC on multipart messages?

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

We totaly agree with each other.

And I never offend Herfried, Nick onces said that I love him.
I love Corina, but I enjoy arguing with Cor.

;-)
But I don't like it when new arguments come in, which has nothing to do with
the case.

The argument has to do a lot with the case.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "steve" <as*@abc.com> scripsit:

let me stick up for herfried with whom i am in total agreement!
:-)

Thank you very much. I feel much better when I know I am not alone with
my opinion.

Did you hate it when the servers didn't work some weeks ago? This was
caused by the attachments added to the worm posts. If attachments would
be forbidden in general, there would be fewer problems.

this statement is an example of why it is pragmatically logical *not* to
allow, or to discourage, posting messages w/ attachments. the second
pragmatic reason is that very few people will be willing to open an entire
project to debug someone's crappy code. posting it by default is an

I wouldn't debug the code because I am not sure if it contains
statements writing something to the registry or a file which I won't
find after removing the project.
if i'm a little more than miffed at the comments you've been making, i'm
sure herfried has a right to be even moreso...since the brunt of your
comments have been directly aimed at him.

herfried, here's to your patience...you haven't seemed to loose your top
yet. ;^)

:^)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Herfried,

Please take it serious, this is rediculeus so much threads about nothing.
The attachment is not for nothing and on the way it is written on the German
Microsoft Site is in my idea how it has to be treaten without the extra
rules that people make in German newsgroups.

When after a complex item someone is asked to send in some code, the
difference in pasting it in or send it as an attachment is nothing.

And I know it needs watching that that not becomes in a time a complete
sending of usefull tools for developing or other crazy things.

And in preventing that you find me right on your side.

Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Maybe it is good to contribute that link to all Microsoft German newsgroups,
it seems the are using the wrong netetiqete (that is not a rule of course).
As long as they are using a "netetiquete" it's no problem.
What do you think about that idea, we cannot leave those people with the
wrong style from posting.

That's not a topic to joke about. If you are planning to spam a
newsgroup, I will have to send a message to your ISP to disable your
account.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:

That's making a point using an extreme case and it invites immediate
ridicule. You can't score with an argument like that.
Have a look at Steve's post.
Why? Because I agree that attachments at that level would be disruptive.
Of course I do. The evidence, as you remind us, is just a couple of weeks
behind us.

But your point is <totally invalid> in this discussion because that was a
virus which was <intended> to disrupt.
Your point is totally invalid because of your lack of knowledge of
Microsoft's news servers.
We aren't talking about people posting 150KB attachments several times an
hour/day. We are talking about the <occasional> poster who attaches a zipped
solution containing a project. It's not even an everyday occurence!!
You didn't understand it. The spammers can only be blocked by blocking
multipart messages at all.
In the case of the last attachment, mine, it was only 7K!
We are talking about the 60 KB attachment.
Having just read Cor's response. Yes. You are getting desperate. So too
with your 'surrealism' in other discussion about quoting. My Vater used to do
that when he saw no other way out without having to admit that his opponent
(me) had a good point. It was both our loss because we never got to finish a
discussion. An opportunity to find common ground was lost.

See Steve's post.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

This brings it totaly of case. The virusses from the microsoft newsgroups
where as far as I know not spreaded by the attachment but by using the email
adresses that were used in this newsgroup. (There are not so much fools in
this newsgroup who do open every attachment that they see thinking it is the
jackpot).

I am sure I know more about Swen + newsservers than you...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "steve" <as*@abc.com> scripsit:

btw...where is herf. now, anyway...he's a big boy. i'll let him state his
case...my fingers are sore from typing. ;^)

My fingers are sore too...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Road Warrior" <sp*****@getbounced.net> scripsit:

Clay or grass?

Your system date/time is wrong.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Please take it serious, this is rediculeus so much threads about nothing.
The attachment is not for nothing and on the way it is written on the German
Microsoft Site is in my idea how it has to be treaten without the extra
rules that people make in German newsgroups.

When after a complex item someone is asked to send in some code, the
difference in pasting it in or send it as an attachment is nothing.

That's why email has been invented.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Armin Zingler]

"Cor" <no*@non.com> schrieb

Hi Herfried and Armin,

I have checked all your messages, it where all bytes.

:-))
Cor

Not all of them. I saw some lonely bits looking for their 7 brothers. Sorry,
again OT......BTW, are bits male or female?......ok ok, I know it's
OT........well,...I think the zeros must be female. *Ouch* I wish I wouldn't
have said this..... Ummm..I've gotta leave now...
--
Armin

[Armin Zingler]

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> schrieb

* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:

Although Herfried is no German, I was talking about the German

Austria is very close to Germany and it has been part of Germany
for some time. People are _very_ similar.

No insults please.

SCNR

;-)
--
Armin

[Fergus Cooney]

Lol. Don got an answer <because> he posted an attachment. And he posted it
because <Jay and I asked him to>. I thought you read every post HK. How did
you miss those two?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Armin Zingler" <az*******@freenet.de> scripsit:

Although Herfried is no German, I was talking about the German

Austria is very close to Germany and it has been part of Germany
for some time. People are _very_ similar.

No insults please.

;-)

We have to share the German Microsoft Public Newsgroups, that's why we
_have to be_ very similar.

I would suggest we stop this discussion because it's getting OT.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Fergus Cooney]

If I can make life hard for people, well, that's what I'm here for, isn't it?

And if I can just bring myself to speak to pure strangers with a
schoolmasterly/policeman's commanding tone, then I'll be even more effective
at spreading misery.

[Fergus Cooney]

ROFL

I had just read the 'male or female?' and was thinking 0s have got to be
female and then you said it.

1: Hello, you're a tasty bit!! Fancy going out tonight?
0: [giggle] You're a bit of all right yourself. Love to!

[Fergus Cooney]

Not on the web, I believe.

[Fergus Cooney]

That's not a topic to joke about. If you are planning to spam a
newsgroup, I will have to send a message to your ISP to disable your
account

Who's the joker? You don't have that power Herfried you're hardly more than a
child using empty threats like that.

[Fergus Cooney]

I believe you know BabelFish?

[Fergus Cooney]

The wine if it exists

[Fergus Cooney]

No way. It's a different world.

Fergus.Location = Italy.
Honda ("Super Blackbird").Rider = Fergus
Laptop.Dispose.
Internet = Nothing

[Fergus Cooney]

Some of them do make sense. They even have some of <my> rules.

Some of them <you> disagree with.

[Fergus Cooney]

I wouldn't ignore them. Certainly not if I had asked them to post the
attachment in the first place.

[steve]

>I don't know if you've been following the battle bwteen Herfried and

myself over quoting styles.
no...what do you suggest?
I've got to say your post was just sooo difficult to read. - Word-wrapped quoted lines such that some have > and some don't. No indentation to aid
separation of quoted and unquoted. Monolithic paragraphs with no capitals.
Unfamiliar (to me) words like w/, b/c which save you typing three or four
letters but mean that I need to reread the sentence until I've worked it out!

sorry...what settings will make this better? also, moving from the
vb6.gen.discussion group, i'm used to people speaking/writing only english.
the w/ is with, the b/c is because, s/b is should be, w/b would be...but i
digress. i am overwhelmed at the number of non-native english
speakers/writers in this group! that's fantastic and i applaude you all. it
also shows how progressive you are in tackling the "new" while most of my
compatriots are still tied to the "old". the lack of capitalization is from
years of working w/ unix...that'll be a hard habit to break. i will do my
best to ammend these quirks of mine so that i am more in tune w/ the current
audience.
Right. Moan over. Hot air to be dismissed - I'm not starting this one up
again, I just needed to say it. ;-)
[But I reserve the right to use this as an example at some unspecified point in the future, lol].
lol. i won't be suprised when i get see it again.
I'd hate to have a long and serious argument with
you - I'd be working very hard to understand you and finding myself agreeing a lot. ;-) [But then, our disputes would not tend to be long drawn out affairs, methinks]
like i said, i'll try to be more clear in the future. and, my intent here is
to offer advice that helps someone...not to argue at all. i've read a lot of
your posts and have participated w/...errr...with you on some. you're a
peach of a guy! cor is too. i do see squabbles from time to time but i don't
plan to engage in any, present or future. if we disagree, then we disagree.
no big deal. arguments, as you've said, are counter-productive, going
nowhere.
However, I'd like to see a Microsoft et. al. solution to these attacks. I
found it surprising, disappointing and still inexplicable <why> these things had the impact that they did. I don't understand what difficulty there was in preventing these 156Kers from appearing in the newsgroups. But never mind.
ok! stop making me laugh! ms is notorious for "security through obscurity"
and there's no obfuscation that can be applied to the nntp rfc that meets
that end...it's too simple. the only thing they could do would be to strip
content out of messages or block multi-part content...that takes money they
just won't spend.
As a helper I'd like the attack issue solved without a blanket ban, and
the ability to grab a zip from the message that I'm actually reading rather than playing the Mailbox Shuffle. I'd like it even better, lol, if I could
click an attachment and have it unzip into \Tmp and open up VS for me, but I musn't be greedy. [Hmm, perhaps a web site for uploading to, which creates a page with a link utilising a special Url Protocol to do all that I want...]

dreamer! ;^)
I agree - yet I want more.;-))

i think that sentence sums up everyone's feelings!

catch you later,

steve

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "Fergus Cooney" <fi*****@post.com> scripsit:
[OT stuff removed]

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