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C# IntelliSense is suck!

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I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being
pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!

Nov 20 '05 #1
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Thankyou for offering your opinion.

Err, perhaps it would be useful to say WHY it sucks? Otherwise, I have just
wasted 4 seconds of my life reading your message.

"Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!

Nov 20 '05 #2

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Damn!!
8 seconds gone.
Pity the poor person who reads <my> reply too!!
Nov 20 '05 #3

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i think thats the reason c# developers usually think they are better than vb
developers
at least thats the way it is over here... all the # guys think they have it
so tough b/c intelisense doesn't change a word to uppercase
and blah blah blah... since i'm relatively lazy, i like hitting ctrl +
spacebar and having my class names typed out...

thats just me though!

"Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!

Nov 20 '05 #4

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Is suck or sucks? I do not have a problem with the Intellisense, but rather
with the fact that C# does not keep up with you like VB.NET (for the record,
I code mostly in C#). That should change in the next version, from the
rumors I have heard.

The syntax in VB.NET helps some, as you have to type in declarations like so
in C#:

SqlConnection conn;

But, you can use fully qualified names:

System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection conn;

to get Intellisense. Or an alias:

using System.Data.SqlClient = sql;

VB.NET is easier here, as you type:

Dim conn As SqlConnection

and have a drop down.

Is this what you are talking about?

--
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"Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!

Nov 20 '05 #5

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Cor
4*4*4 seconds gone
Nov 20 '05 #6

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Hi :\\derian,

":\\derian" <de****@someplace.com> wrote in message
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i think thats the reason c# developers usually think they are better than vb developers
at least thats the way it is over here... all the # guys think they have it so tough b/c intelisense doesn't change a word to uppercase
and blah blah blah... since i'm relatively lazy, i like hitting ctrl +
spacebar and having my class names typed out...

thats just me though!


FWIW, ctrl + spacebar works just as well in C#. It even corrects the
capitalization, which is quite handy. Actually I consider myself both a VB
programmer and a C# programmer, which leaves me in the odd position of
feeling that I'm better than myself.

Regards,
Dan
Nov 20 '05 #7

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* "Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> scripsit:
I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being
pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!


ACK. C# sucks. VB.NET rules.

SCNR

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MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #8

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ROFL
Nov 20 '05 #9

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110% accurate.

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"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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* "Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> scripsit:
I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is
SUCK!
ACK. C# sucks. VB.NET rules.

SCNR

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Nov 20 '05 #10

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ROFLMAO
Nov 20 '05 #11

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In article <#Z*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:
* "Dave" <da**@nowhere.com> scripsit:
I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being
pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!


ACK. C# sucks. VB.NET rules.

SCNR


Personally, all my development is in C#.... I like it :)

--
Tom Shelton
MVP [Visual Basic]
Nov 20 '05 #12

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
ROFLMAO


It's the truth.

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Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #13

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* Tom Shelton <to*@mtogden.com> scripsit:
I am a VB.NET guy, recently i tried to write program using C#, having being
pampered by VB.NET's IntelliSense i find that the C#'s IntelliSense is SUCK!


ACK. C# sucks. VB.NET rules.

SCNR


Personally, all my development is in C#.... I like it :)


I use VB.NET and C#, but I don't like C#.

:-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #14

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Cor
Hi Tom,
When I read this, I think I have to go start using C#
Do you know if I can use the microsoft basic functions in it, because my
experimences showed me that they are such a lot faster?.
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #15

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* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:
When I read this, I think I have to go start using C#
Do you know if I can use the microsoft basic functions in it, because my
experimences showed me that they are such a lot faster?.


I hope this is a joke.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
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<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #16

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VB.NET is a friendly Labrador which wags its tail and knocks things over.
It's just a bit boisterous and clumsy at times. Always seems to take up more
space than you'd expect. It does the most horrendous farts.

C# is a Police-trained German Shepherd. Sharp is a good word for it. Its
moves are clean and efficient. Cuddly it ain't - though it's quite beautiful.
You wouldn't have it for the children to play with - not because it's
dangerous (too well trained for that) but it just wouldn't be as much fun as a
Labrador.
Nov 20 '05 #17

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Hi Cor,

I would recommend learning C# with as much fervour as I could muster. So
many of the things that VB obscures become clear when you do them in C#.

Part of this is the fact that a 100 line block of VB can be done in 20
lines of C# - so you can <see it all>. C# and elegance can be as one with each
other. I'd rarely say that with VB.

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #18

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Cor
Hi Brutus,
No I told you that I did expirimences and that the Visual Basic functions
are faster that the system.net members.
I gave you that test program.
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #19

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Cor
I am waiting on the comments or Armin
Nov 20 '05 #20

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This is the insidiousness of VB. It promotes "loose" thinking, which leads
to "top posting" and not recognizing simple logic such as the fact that no
statement can ever be more than 100% accurate.

Regards,
Dan

"Tom Spink" <th**********@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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110% accurate.

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Nov 20 '05 #21

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Cor
Hi Brutus,
I forgot the reference
When I read this, I think I have to go start using C#
Do you know if I can use the microsoft basic functions in it, because my
experimences showed me that they are such a lot faster?.

No I told you that I did expirimences and that the Visual Basic functions
are faster that the system.net members.
I gave you that test program.
:-))
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #22

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In article <O$**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, Cor wrote:
Hi Brutus,
No I told you that I did expirimences and that the Visual Basic functions
are faster that the system.net members.
I gave you that test program.
Cor


What functions are faster? Almost all of the VB.NET functions delegate
to actuall .NET functions anyway...

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MVP [Visual Basic]
Nov 20 '05 #23

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
VB.NET is a friendly Labrador which wags its tail and knocks things over.
It's just a bit boisterous and clumsy at times. Always seems to take up more
space than you'd expect. It does the most horrendous farts.

C# is a Police-trained German Shepherd. Sharp is a good word for it. Its
moves are clean and efficient. Cuddly it ain't - though it's quite beautiful.
You wouldn't have it for the children to play with - not because it's
dangerous (too well trained for that) but it just wouldn't be as much fun as a
Labrador.


ROFLM*O

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #24

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
Part of this is the fact that a 100 line block of VB can be done in 20
lines of C# - so you can <see it all>. C# and elegance can be as one with each
other. I'd rarely say that with VB.


Are you sure?!

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Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #25

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* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:
No I told you that I did expirimences and that the Visual Basic functions
are faster that the system.net members.


I know that (your test program), but I thought you wanted to turn to C# *shock*.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #26

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In article <3f***********************@reader21.wxs.nl>, Cor wrote:
Hi Tom,
When I read this, I think I have to go start using C#
Do you know if I can use the microsoft basic functions in it, because my
experimences showed me that they are such a lot faster?.
Cor


I don't see how they can be faster, since most of them are just wrappers
around the .NET framework classes... But, yes - if you like you can use
them. Just reference Microsoft.VisualBasic.dll, make your appropriate
using statements, and off you go.

--
Tom Shelton
MVP [Visual Basic]
Nov 20 '05 #27

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Cor
Hi Fergus,
I love the {}, the way a variable and an object is declared, the unifomity
of the program control,
do you real think I did not do some expirimences with it; I can do the most
strange things with JavaScript.

I find the word "then" absolute unneccesary in Visual Basic (that is a word
that I always forget to write).

But I realy hate the == and the case sensitive (probably because that
strange document object model, that has the uppercases on the most strange
places).

You must understand that, it has a lot of plusses for me, one of the things
to that C is for what is the code, almost natural language independent. But
because of the framework it is not and has therefore almost no benefits
about that above Visual Basic.

But I love it, if a it is posible to make a program that don't need comment
blocks.

And I think that is better to do with Visual Basic than C#

Therefore I don't understand those people who ask for comments blocks in
Visual Basic,

(You understand than too why I don't like the regular expression).

Cor


Nov 20 '05 #28

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Cor
Tom,

I use the system.members, I don't like it that the index of the functions
start at 1.

But I was always arguing with Herfried about them, and thought why not it is
a benefit of a natural language when you can use more words to express
yourself.

Last week there was an arguing in this newsgroup with Jay B. and some others
about the regular expressions, the functions and the system members.

Jay B, said it was too discussed in the C# group but nobody did make a
testprogram, so I did.

With a String the Visual.Basic function Find was twice as fast as the
system.member indexof exactly on the same way used.
The regulair expression was 15 times slower than the indexof.
Only with a character, (that is not in the functions), the indexof was
faster.

I was perplex.

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #29

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* "Cor" <no*@non.com> scripsit:
You must understand that, it has a lot of plusses for me, one of the things


C++
++

Four "plusses".

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Nov 20 '05 #30

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Hi Dan,

ROFL.

Although in Tom's defense I have to say that there's Spock logic (range 0%
to 100%) and there's McCoy logic. The latter can have 'percentages' far in
excess of 100 - calculated, as it is, with emotionally fuzzy logic.

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #31

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Hi Tom,

That's what I thought.

But this character counting loop
Do
iResult = InStr(iStart, strInput, strDelimiter)
If iResult = 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
is actually faster than
Do
iResult = strInput.IndexOf (sDelimiter, iStart)
If iResult < 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
(though not when IndexOf uses a Char)

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #32

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Hi Herfried,

Sure, I'm sure.

Take:
Public Property Foo As String
Get
Return m_Foo
End Get
Set
m_Foo = Value
End Set
End Property
vs
public string Foo { get { return m_Foo; } set { m_Foo = value; }}
for instance.

That's perhaps an extreme example (8 to 1), but C# has lots of space
savers.

Regards,
Fergus


Nov 20 '05 #33

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In article <#O**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, Fergus Cooney wrote:
Hi Tom,

That's what I thought.

But this character counting loop
Do
iResult = InStr(iStart, strInput, strDelimiter)
If iResult = 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
is actually faster than
Do
iResult = strInput.IndexOf (sDelimiter, iStart)
If iResult < 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
(though not when IndexOf uses a Char)

Regards,
Fergus


Interesting... Did anyone look at the IL to see what was going on? Just
curious.

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Tom Shelton
MVP [Visual Basic]
Nov 20 '05 #34

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
Sure, I'm sure.

Take:
Public Property Foo As String
Get
Return m_Foo
End Get
Set
m_Foo = Value
End Set
End Property
vs
public string Foo { get { return m_Foo; } set { m_Foo = value; }}
for instance.

That's perhaps an extreme example (8 to 1), but C# has lots of space
savers.


ACK. IMO the C# version is "unreadable".

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #35

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FWIW, i would tend to agree. They are getting compiled into the same IL anyhow, so id rather have
code that makes sense just by looking at it.
"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
Sure, I'm sure.

Take:
Public Property Foo As String
Get
Return m_Foo
End Get
Set
m_Foo = Value
End Set
End Property
vs
public string Foo { get { return m_Foo; } set { m_Foo = value; }}
for instance.

That's perhaps an extreme example (8 to 1), but C# has lots of space
savers.


ACK. IMO the C# version is "unreadable".

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Nov 20 '05 #36

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Hi Tom,

I haven't done so and no one else mentioned it. If you find yourself
delving, it would be interesting to know, but STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE might keep you
too busy! ;-)

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #37

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Hi Herfried,

|| IMO the C# version is "unreadable".

That's useful to know - ponder and recall that feeling, then multiply it.
Many one-language-only speakers feel <that>, and more, when they see a page of
German or French, or English, or Russian, Greek, Sanscrit, Korean,
Babylonian....

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #38

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Hi Herfried, Rick,

Europeans once discovered a tribe of natives who had lived their entire
lives in the jungle. A few of these natives once had occasion to travel with
the Europeans and eventually came to areas of plains where herds of grazing
animals lived. They could be seen for miles around. The natives couldn't
believe how some of these creatures were so big and yet others (of the same
type) were so tiny. They simply couldn't understand how the images were small
because of perspective. They had never perceived anything like it in the
jungle where the longest as-far-as-the-eye-can-see distance is measured in
mere metres.

So it is with C# and VB.

======================================
The standard formatting of braces in C# is
string foo()
{
Code at this level.
}

I <hate> it - for my eyes are used to
string foo()
{
Code at this level.
}

The former makes me feel very uncomfortable because my eyes can't parse it
as readily as the style I've been using for all these years.

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #39

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
IMO the C# version is "unreadable".


That's useful to know - ponder and recall that feeling, then multiply it.
Many one-language-only speakers feel <that>, and more, when they see a page of
German or French, or English, or Russian, Greek, Sanscrit, Korean,
Babylonian....


It's not unreadable because I don't "speak" C#, but my eyes need much
more time to understand the code.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet> (updated!)
Nov 20 '05 #40

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
So it is with C# and VB.

======================================
The standard formatting of braces in C# is
string foo()
{
Code at this level.
}

I <hate> it - for my eyes are used to
string foo()
{
Code at this level.
}

The former makes me feel very uncomfortable because my eyes can't parse it
as readily as the style I've been using for all these years.


ACK. One of our professors used this indentation style:

\\\
class Foo {
public void makeIt() {
doIt();
}
}
///

IMO really stupid because the eyes cannot parse it.

OT:

You always complain about my posts, so I will complain about your posts
too. In the usenet ">" is used to quote the text of the post you are
answering. Some newsreaders are able to parse the ">>>" at the
beginning of the lines and display them as vertical lines, the text is
sometimes displayed in different colors, depending on the quuting
depth.

When using non-standard quoting characters like "||" and large
indentations, the text will be "unreadable" with some newsreaders. My
newsreader, for example, displays the "||" as a smiley and is unable to
quote the text. I always have to remove the "||" and the indentation to
get it work...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #41

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<Mouth flaps like a fish>

"The Banana increased in size by 300%"

Anyways..... My statement was not meant to be taken literally, but as an
indication to my feelings on the fact that VB.NET is by far the best
language EVER.

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-- Tom Spink, Über Geek

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" System.Reflection Master "

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"Daniel Pratt" <ko******************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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This is the insidiousness of VB. It promotes "loose" thinking, which leads
to "top posting" and not recognizing simple logic such as the fact that no
statement can ever be more than 100% accurate.

Regards,
Dan

"Tom Spink" <th**********@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Oy**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
110% accurate.

--
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-- Tom Spink, Über Geek

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Nov 20 '05 #42

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Hi Fergus, Success!!! VB wins again

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"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> wrote in message
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Hi Tom,

That's what I thought.

But this character counting loop
Do
iResult = InStr(iStart, strInput, strDelimiter)
If iResult = 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
is actually faster than
Do
iResult = strInput.IndexOf (sDelimiter, iStart)
If iResult < 0 Then Exit Do
iCount += 1
iStart = iResult + 1
Loop
(though not when IndexOf uses a Char)

Regards,
Fergus

Nov 20 '05 #43

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Hi,

It's not even well formed C, IMO. You should see some of my C++ code:

BOOL IsAdminOwnerW ( LPWSTR wszFile )
{

LPSTR szFile;
DWORD dwLen = 0;

dwLen = WideCharToMultiByte( CP_ACP, 0, wszFile, -1, NULL, NULL, NULL,
NULL );

szFile = ( LPSTR ) LocalAlloc( LMEM_FIXED | LMEM_ZEROINIT, dwLen );
WideCharToMultiByte( CP_ACP, 0, wszFile, -1, szFile, dwLen, NULL,
NULL );

BOOL bRet = IsAdminOwnerA( szFile );

LocalFree( ( HLOCAL ) szFile );

return bRet;

}

See? Spaces everywhere.

--
HTH,
-- Tom Spink, Über Geek

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
Sure, I'm sure.

Take:
Public Property Foo As String
Get
Return m_Foo
End Get
Set
m_Foo = Value
End Set
End Property
vs
public string Foo { get { return m_Foo; } set { m_Foo = value; }} for instance.

That's perhaps an extreme example (8 to 1), but C# has lots of space
savers.


ACK. IMO the C# version is "unreadable".

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Nov 20 '05 #44

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What did I tell you Spock, - Bones and you just have different ways of
measuring.

Kirk out.
Nov 20 '05 #45

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LOLWPAM
Nov 20 '05 #46

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Hi Tom,

By far the best VB ever, for sure, but are you saying that it's better
than Lisp?

Regards,
Fergus
Nov 20 '05 #47

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* "Tom Spink" <th**********@ntlworld.com> scripsit:
Anyways..... My statement was not meant to be taken literally, but as an
indication to my feelings on the fact that VB.NET is by far the best
language EVER.


I am not alone with this feeling...

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #48

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* "Tom Spink" <th**********@ntlworld.com> scripsit:
It's not even well formed C, IMO. You should see some of my C++ code:

BOOL IsAdminOwnerW ( LPWSTR wszFile )
{

LPSTR szFile;
DWORD dwLen = 0;

dwLen = WideCharToMultiByte( CP_ACP, 0, wszFile, -1, NULL, NULL, NULL,
NULL );

szFile = ( LPSTR ) LocalAlloc( LMEM_FIXED | LMEM_ZEROINIT, dwLen );
WideCharToMultiByte( CP_ACP, 0, wszFile, -1, szFile, dwLen, NULL,
NULL );

BOOL bRet = IsAdminOwnerA( szFile );

LocalFree( ( HLOCAL ) szFile );

return bRet;

}

See? Spaces everywhere.


I _hate_ the spaces, I would write:

\\\
BOOL IsAdminOwnerW(LPWSTR wszFile)
{
...
}
///

Notice the 8 spaces used for indentation.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #49

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* "Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> scripsit:
LOLWPAM


What does this acronym stand for?

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Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>
Nov 20 '05 #50

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