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How does one become an MVP?
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Have you tried to do a search on it ;-)

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;en-us;mvpfaqs
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Nov 20 '05 #2

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Nono... thats far too complex...

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Have you tried to do a search on it ;-)

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;en-us;mvpfaqs
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CJ,
Its awarded by Microsoft.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Specifically:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;EN-US;mvpfaqs

Hope this helps
Jay

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Nov 20 '05 #4

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I see that answering questions here will quickly help. =)

Bling...
"Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]" <Ja********@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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CJ,
Its awarded by Microsoft.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Specifically:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;EN-US;mvpfaqs

Hope this helps
Jay

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Nov 20 '05 #5

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Hi CJ,

Herfried has this as part of his signature.
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
That's his own part of the site but check out the home page.

Or you can simply elect yourself and use the letters.

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]
Nov 20 '05 #6

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Cor
>Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]


Really ROFL
Nov 20 '05 #7

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I'm going to become the first MVP for
[Windows Quick Hide from wife / Restore / Find Favorite Porno on the
internet folder]

"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]


Really ROFL

Nov 20 '05 #8

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Nak
> MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]

ROFL!

Nick.

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Nov 20 '05 #9

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Nak
> [Windows Quick Hide from wife / Restore / Find Favorite Porno on the
internet folder]


ROFL again!

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #10

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Hello,

"CJ Taylor" <no****@blowgoats.com> schrieb:
I'm going to become the first MVP for
[Windows Quick Hide from wife / Restore / Find Favorite
Porno on the internet folder]


Notice that there are children in this ng.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #11

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Hello,

"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> schrieb:
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]


When did you use the "Shutdown dialogue" the last time? Seems to be months
ago...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #12

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Hello,

"CJ Taylor" <no****@blowgoats.com> schrieb:
How does one become an MVP?


Everybody can become an MVP, but only some of them can become *Microsoft*
MVP.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #13

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Hi Herfried,

Then CJ will be the very person to point them in the right direction. Tell
them how to get past all the parental controls, etc. ;-)

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]
Nov 20 '05 #14

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Hi Herfried,

That's amazing!! How did you know that I've been using a shutdown utility
for the las few months??

Must be that Brain2PC connection. I didn't know you could hook in
remotely.

;-)

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]

Nov 20 '05 #15

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Hello,

"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> schrieb:
Then CJ will be the very person to point them in the right
direction. Tell them how to get past all the parental controls,
etc. ;-)


The children will get porn in a VB.NET group... I hope you don't start to
post advertisements for FergusPorn.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #16

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Hello,

"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> schrieb:
That's amazing!! How did you know that I've been using
a shutdown utility for the las few months??
You have been present in the group all the time...
Must be that Brain2PC connection. I didn't know you
could hook in remotely.


LOL

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #17

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Hi Herfried,

FergusPorn won't even supply to the under 50's. We have very striict
membership controls. ;-)

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Start button, Shutdown dialogue]
Nov 20 '05 #18

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Hello,

"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> schrieb:
FergusPorn won't even supply to the under 50's. We have very
striict membership controls. ;-)


ROFL

I am too young...

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #19

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Cor
Herfried,
It is not the US you live in Europe, at your age your are no child more in
Europe.
:-)
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #20

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Nak
Hi Fergus,
FergusPorn won't even supply to the under 50's. We have very striict
membership controls. ;-)


Is that because the stars are over 50 also?

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #21

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Nak
Hi,
How does one become an MVP?


Become and MCP, it holds more wight ;-)

Nick.

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Nov 20 '05 #22

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Cor
Hi,
Nick what is the name of that English movie with all those man on stage,
Can't get the name.
But is that what the company does, you and Fergus on stage?
Cor
Nov 20 '05 #23

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Morning Nick,

You must be joking - do you think my clients are cradle snatchers? The
stars are at least 80. They're all as fit as a fiddle and in the prune of
life.

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Keyboard, PC Power Switch]
Nov 20 '05 #24

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Hi Herfried, How long did it take you to become a MS MVP? ...Seriously :-|

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi*******@m.activevb.de> wrote in message
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Hello,

"CJ Taylor" <no****@blowgoats.com> schrieb:
How does one become an MVP?


Everybody can become an MVP, but only some of them can become *Microsoft*
MVP.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet

Nov 20 '05 #25

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Hello,

"Nak" <a@a.com> schrieb:
How does one become an MVP?


Become and MCP, it holds more wight ;-)


MCP is something you can pay/learn for. MVPs are "Microsofts Chosen
People".

ROFL

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #26

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Hello,

"Nice Chap" <Ni******@PlasmaDyne.com> schrieb:
Hi Herfried, How long did it take you to become a MS
MVP? ...Seriously :-|


I was awarded as MVP for my contributions to the German VB Classic and
VB.NET groups in April. I started contributing to the groups in August
2002. I wrote at least one message every day.

;-)))

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet


Nov 20 '05 #27

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Hello,

"Fergus Cooney" <fi******@tesco.net> schrieb:
You must be joking - do you think my clients are cradle
snatchers? The stars are at least 80. They're all as fit as a
fiddle and in the prune of life.


Conserved by sitting in front of the computer.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #28

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Hello,

"Cor" <no*@non.com> schrieb:
It is not the US you live in Europe, at your age your are no
child more in Europe.


There are some 16 year old "children".

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #29

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Nak
> You must be joking - do you think my clients are cradle snatchers? The
stars are at least 80. They're all as fit as a fiddle and in the prune of
life.
LOL
MVP [Windows Keyboard, PC Power Switch]


Nice one :-)

Nick.
MVP [Option Strict = "Off"]

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Nov 20 '05 #30

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Nak
> MCP is something you can pay/learn for. MVPs are "Microsofts Chosen
People".


LOL, There are more MVP's than .NET MCP's Herfried.

In my personal opinion MVP status is a way of microsoft getting people to
help the end users of their software without actually paying them. Your
right about MCP status, you have to pay for it, but it will also hold allot
more weight when applying for jobs.

Nick.
MVP [Offering my ass for people to kiss]

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

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Nov 20 '05 #31

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Nak
Maybe I'm just being cynical?

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

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Nov 20 '05 #32

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Nak
> How does one become an MVP?

ooor you could become an MCSD! That costs quite a little bit more than MCP
(But you become an MCP after you pass any of the exams anyway). I'm going
to be booking in for my exams soon, I'll probably fail a load but there's no
harm in trying :-)

Nick.

--
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #33

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The movie was the Full Monty,

And as for children in the group, and they are softare developers, you
*really* think they don't know what porn is?

=)

CJ
"Cor" <no*@non.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
Nick what is the name of that English movie with all those man on stage,
Can't get the name.
But is that what the company does, you and Fergus on stage?
Cor

Nov 20 '05 #34

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Oops, this thread now has grown beyond control.... too deep to navigate...

In MY VIEW, MVP( the real one chaps !! ) has more value than an MCP or MCSD
because to become an MVP it needs a very sustained effort and patience and
also tells a bit about you as a person.
"Nak" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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How does one become an MVP?
ooor you could become an MCSD! That costs quite a little bit more than

MCP (But you become an MCP after you pass any of the exams anyway). I'm going
to be booking in for my exams soon, I'll probably fail a load but there's no harm in trying :-)

Nick.

--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ "No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #35

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Cor
CJ,

That is was the Full Monty.

My daughter is 12 and she is very active on Internet, do you think that I
believe she never sees a porn site. (Although I know that when she sees it
she closes it, they talk about sex openly on school)

I am originally from Amsterdam, did you been there on the streets, you don't
have to look at Internet; it's totally open in the shop-window.

But I am from Holland, you know, we don't bother about that, for most people
(not all) it's just a normal part of life. But my idea is, to watch that I
don't bring my norms here in this newsgroup too others who have a different
idea about it.

That is the reason that I take a little bit back in discussions where porn
is involved. If there were only Europeans watching this newsgroup, it would
be totally different for me.

Cor
Nov 20 '05 #36

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Nak
Hi nice chap,
In MY VIEW, MVP( the real one chaps !! ) has more value than an MCP or MCSD because to become an MVP it needs a very sustained effort and patience and
also tells a bit about you as a person.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying being an MVP is not valuable, I'm just
saying that in the eyes of an employer being a volunteer Microsoft technical
supporter doesn't hold as much weight as being fully qualified. To be MCSD
certificated you need to take 5 exams, so you need to have a rather broad
range of developing with Microsoft development tools and the like.

Do you think that you can become an MCSD with little or no effort then? It
wouldn't do you much good if you did, imagine getting a job as head .NET
developer of a company because you are MCSD certificated just for them to
find out that you blagged it?

Nick.

--
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Hello,

"Nak" <a@a.com> schrieb:
Do you think that you can become an MCSD with little or
no effort then? It wouldn't do you much good if you did,
imagine getting a job as head .NET developer of a
company because you are MCSD certificated just for them to
find out that you blagged it?


I think it's hard to compare MVP to MSCD. MVP is an award, you can "win"
for sharing knowledge and helping others (you are awarded for the _social_
component and the technical component of the work), on the other hand MSCD
isn't an award. It's a title you can get by taking an exam and pay for it.
MSCD will tell the employer, that person X had certain technical skills at
time Y. MVP will tell the employer, that the person is willing to share his
knowledge and do work without getting money for it.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #38

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Hello,

"Nak" <a@a.com> schrieb:
Maybe I'm just being cynical?


I am student, not a programmer. I don't need MCP and MVP.

;-)

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #39

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Nak
> I am student, not a programmer. I don't need MCP and MVP.

Don't be so modest Herfried, your an experienced highly skilled programmer!
Big yourself up a little ;-)

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #40

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Nak
> Well Nak, I agree with you, MCSD 'does' need effort and it 'does' have
value, but a lot of that knowledge would be bookish unless you work full
time on dotnet and the management these days recognises this fact. The main problem with bookish knowledge is it evoporates easily if not used
immediately.
Exactly, but in the same light *no* knowledge lasts unless you use the skill
often. I program as a hobby, the same as many people, this keeps the skill
going, having a piece of paper simply said that you are experienced to a
specific standard.
I would be surprised if somebody offered a job as a head .net developer

just on the basis of MCSD.

I was just being metaphorical really :-)

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #41

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"Nak" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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I am student, not a programmer. I don't need MCP and MVP.
Don't be so modest Herfried, your an experienced highly skilled

programmer! Big yourself up a little ;-)

Nono..

its Big Up yourself...

not big yourself up...


Nick.

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/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ "No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #42

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Nak
> I think it's hard to compare MVP to MSCD. MVP is an award, you can "win"
for sharing knowledge and helping others (you are awarded for the _social_
component and the technical component of the work), on the other hand MSCD
isn't an award. It's a title you can get by taking an exam and pay for it. MSCD will tell the employer, that person X had certain technical skills at
time Y. MVP will tell the employer, that the person is willing to share his knowledge and do work without getting money for it.


Yup I agree, they can't be compared, being an MVP shows a strong willingness
to be recognized and having offered your knowledge to others. Taking exams
that total hundreds of pounds as well as buying study material and working
off your own steam to be *qualified* also shows a strong willingness to be
recognized :-)

Nick.

--
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #43

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Hello,

"Nak" <a@a.com> schrieb:
Yup I agree, they can't be compared, being an MVP shows a strong
willingness to be recognized


I think a lot of MVPs didn't know about the awards in detail when starting
posting to the groups.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
Nov 20 '05 #44

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Nak
> its Big Up yourself...

not big yourself up...


LOL, cheers :-)

He might want to "big himself up" too though ;-)

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #45

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Nak
> I think a lot of MVPs didn't know about the awards in detail when starting
posting to the groups.


Even when the status is labelled by Microsoft?

Nick.

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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."

Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Nov 20 '05 #46

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Don

Sorry to butt in here but . . . <g>

In my experience none of those designations mean very much in the real
world unless they're backed up by experience. A guy with 2, or more,
years of verifiable real world experience will always be hired before
an MCSD with 6 mo's experience. Someone with a CS degree plus real
world experience is usually ahead of them all in the job line. It all
comes down to: Can you do the job, and, can you prove it before I
waste my time and money hiring you.

My last development employer wanted at least 3 of us to have MS
designations (MCSD's I believe) because that was the minimum needed to
call ourselves a 'MS Certified Solution Provider'. The MSCSP got us a
discount on the MSDN subscription and allowed us to use the 'MS
Certified Solution Provider' logo in our advertising. I don't think he
ever considered that it might have made us better at our jobs. It was
all about the image we presented to clients . . . . and the discount.
:-)

I'm not knocking any of the designations, I think they are a good
thing and considered getting one myself ( a couple times) before I got
out of software development.

Regards,

Don
Redmond, WA

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:18:11 +0100, "Nak" <a@a.com> wrote:
Hi nice chap,
In MY VIEW, MVP( the real one chaps !! ) has more value than an MCP or

MCSD
because to become an MVP it needs a very sustained effort and patience and
also tells a bit about you as a person.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying being an MVP is not valuable, I'm just
saying that in the eyes of an employer being a volunteer Microsoft technical
supporter doesn't hold as much weight as being fully qualified. To be MCSD
certificated you need to take 5 exams, so you need to have a rather broad
range of developing with Microsoft development tools and the like.

Do you think that you can become an MCSD with little or no effort then? It
wouldn't do you much good if you did, imagine getting a job as head .NET
developer of a company because you are MCSD certificated just for them to
find out that you blagged it?

Nick.


Nov 20 '05 #47

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Don

Sorry to reply to my own post but I forgot to add:
I think the MVP's in these groups do a great job and I'm sincerely
grateful for the help they provide. They must all have halo's circling
the points on their geeky little skulls. Just kidding about the
points. :-)

Speaking of geeky, I went into geeky glee yesterday when I discovered
the #Region directive in a code snippet posted to this group. That has
got to be one of the coolest things I've seen since the Timex\Sinclair
1000.

Have a peachy day.

Don
Redmond, WA
. On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:25:21 GMT, Don <Do**@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sorry to butt in here but . . . <g>

In my experience none of those designations mean very much in the real
world unless they're backed up by experience.

Nov 20 '05 #48

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Nak
Hi there,

I agree with you entirely that it is all about "image" when it comes to
being Microsoft certified. But not all employers actually know what kind of
employees they are actually looking for, so they look for ones with fancy
qualifications etc. I've know someone to come straight out of University
and struggle to get a job because they had no real world experience, I on
the other hand have *loads* of real world experience but no qualifications
*as such* so it's just as bad. But none the less, I want to be MCSD
certificated just for my own piece of mind :-)

Nick.

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Nov 20 '05 #49

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Nak
> Sorry to reply to my own post but I forgot to add:
I think the MVP's in these groups do a great job and I'm sincerely
grateful for the help they provide. They must all have halo's circling
the points on their geeky little skulls. Just kidding about the
points. :-)
LOL, I agree, they do a great job, some far more than others.
Speaking of geeky, I went into geeky glee yesterday when I discovered
the #Region directive in a code snippet posted to this group. That has
got to be one of the coolest things I've seen since the Timex\Sinclair
1000.
Haha, don't get out much eh?

Nick.

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"Don" <Do**@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Have a peachy day.

Don
Redmond, WA
. On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:25:21 GMT, Don <Do**@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sorry to butt in here but . . . <g>

In my experience none of those designations mean very much in the real
world unless they're backed up by experience.

Nov 20 '05 #50

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