Advice please on best method

[Allan Cammish]

I am looking for advice on the best method of producing a piece of
software written in Visual Basic or Visual Basic.NET that will control
another standard windows program such as ‘Notepad' using ole
automation.

The system will be produced as a stand-alone EXE which will run on a
single PC once the installation has been completed, but I also want to
be able to easily convert the system to run from a web-site with the
minimum of re-work.

My current thinking is that I would need to put the code which is not
connected with the user-interface into an Active-X control which can
be used on a web-site. Only, I am not sure if I should use an OCX,
Active-X EXE or Active-X DLL control. Also, I am not sure what
services the web-server must have installed in order to be able to run
the component.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Allan Cammish

[Nak]

> My current thinking is that I would need to put the code which is not

connected with the user-interface into an Active-X control which can
be used on a web-site. Only, I am not sure if I should use an OCX,
Active-X EXE or Active-X DLL control. Also, I am not sure what
services the web-server must have installed in order to be able to run
the component.

With VB.NET you would need the .NET Framework installed plus the Windows IIS
server (which can only be run easily on Windows 2k and Windows XP
Professional). It can be installed on XP Home edition but requires bodging,
yet another "feature" that Microsoft thought it would be wise to remove from
their "cheaper" software, because people who buy "cheap" software DONT
deserve functionality and should be frowned upon.

But anyway, Active-X is dead in .NET, you use .NET components, but it's the
same principal. VB.NET makes web services etc. and web forms for such a
purpose, the whole task is simplified using ASP.NET, though I have no
experience of web services so far. But .NET 'should' make all of this
easier for you :-)

Nick.

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[Cor]

Allan,
In addition to Naks advice, I will suggest you to look here
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...alkthrough.asp
Cor

[Tom Spink]

Notepad doesn't expose any OLE interfaces, and in VB.NET, you cannot use OLE
(easily). Also, VB.NET does not produce stand-alone executables, and it
cannot create Active-X's (I know it can, but it requires COM interop, which
really isn't the way you want to be going)

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"Allan Cammish" <al**********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am looking for advice on the best method of producing a piece of
software written in Visual Basic or Visual Basic.NET that will control
another standard windows program such as 'Notepad' using ole
automation.

The system will be produced as a stand-alone EXE which will run on a
single PC once the installation has been completed, but I also want to
be able to easily convert the system to run from a web-site with the
minimum of re-work.

My current thinking is that I would need to put the code which is not
connected with the user-interface into an Active-X control which can
be used on a web-site. Only, I am not sure if I should use an OCX,
Active-X EXE or Active-X DLL control. Also, I am not sure what
services the web-server must have installed in order to be able to run
the component.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Allan Cammish

[Nak]

>Also, VB.NET does not produce stand-alone executables

?? If you mean that you requre the framework then VB6 requires VB6 runtimes,
the Framework is just VB.NET runtimes. So you can create stand-alone
executables.

Nick.

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[Nak]

> Thanks for your advice. If I were to abandon the idea of using .NET

initially and use an Active-X DLL, do you know if it would be easy to
upgrade to .NET later, and convert the Active-X DLL to the .NET
components or .NET web services?

As far as I am aware it won't be that easy to chage as web services
architechture is different from that of an ActiveX DLL. You would be much
better off doing a web service in .NET and from my experience of it so far
there would be allot less maintenance involved. But fair enough if you want
to go the VB6 route, .NET "should" be far easier (Obviously depending on
exactly what you want it to do).

Nick.

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[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Hello,

"Cor" <no*@non.com> schrieb;

I did read Nicks advise three times, my English is not so good, maybe that
is the reason that I did not understand that advise, I did understand he
said the oposite from what you are saying.
Maybe Nick will tell me where he did do that statement, I am seriously
curious what I did read wrong in Nick's message?

???

What's unclear?

Regards,
Herfried K. Wagner
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MVP · VB Classic, VB .NET
http://www.mvps.org/dotnet

[Cor]

Herfried,
In my opinion this was not the advise from Nick, it was the opposite
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Thanks for your advice. If I were to abandon the idea of using .NET
initially and use an Active-X DLL, do you know if it would be easy to
upgrade to .NET later, and convert the Active-X DLL to the .NET
components or .NET web services?
//////////
1. I read the text from Nick
2. Nick knows to much from .Net to say this.
3. Or I misunderstood everything
Cor

[Nak]

> > I did read Nicks advise three times, my English is not so good, maybe
that

is the reason that I did not understand that advise, I did understand he
said the oposite from what you are saying.
Maybe Nick will tell me where he did do that statement, I am seriously
curious what I did read wrong in Nick's message?

Cor, could you please stop contradicting me!
What's unclear?
My thoughts exactly!

Nick.

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[Cor]

And this is what Nick wrote
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With VB.NET you would need the .NET Framework installed plus the Windows IIS
server (which can only be run easily on Windows 2k and Windows XP
Professional). It can be installed on XP Home edition but requires bodging,
yet another "feature" that Microsoft thought it would be wise to remove from
their "cheaper" software, because people who buy "cheap" software DONT
deserve functionality and should be frowned upon.

But anyway, Active-X is dead in .NET, you use .NET components, but it's the
same principal. VB.NET makes web services etc. and web forms for such a
purpose, the whole task is simplified using ASP.NET, though I have no
experience of web services so far. But .NET 'should' make all of this
easier for you :-)
/////

[Cor]

Nak,
In my opinion your message was clear and I could nowhere read there that you
said
try a while Active X, then maybe you can go to .Net later.

But you know, maybe did I misunderstand this, that was all.

Cor

[Cor]

I did not found any fault in that on the contrairy, I did give as addition
to that an Url about webservices.

[Nak]

I wasnt suggestion using VB6 first simply because I don't see any benefit
from it, why develop some old technology just to want to update it at a
later date? especially if it wont be any easier to develop than .NET, that's
all.

Nick.

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You can't sleep at night?
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[Cor]

Nick,
That is what I did say, did you remember when you and Armin had a long
discussion about "Option Strict" and I said Watch what you are saying
Armin.

I did read "Thanks for your advice Nick. If I were to abandon the idea of
using .NET
initially and use an Active-X DLL....................". to tell that I did
not read that that was your advise.
Cor