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I was wondering if it is at all posible to write a stand alone .EXE program
in Visual Studio .NET. Hopefully in VB.NET but if not another language would
be ok. Thanks for the assistance
Nov 21 '05
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I went to the Thinstall site and they sure make it complicated just to
get a trial or even pricing! Normally when a company wants to sell
something, they make it as simple as possible.

For example, they as for company information with web address. What if
I am an independent user and dont have a company web address?

Why do they want my phone number? I don't want a sales person to call
me. But you cant download the trial or even get the price without
providing all this information.

It looks like a cool product but I don't like jumping through hoops to
get it.

Chris

Nov 21 '05 #21
Scratch that! I can't even get a trial because my email address (at
sbcglobal.net) is rejected! Even though this is a national ISP!

Nov 21 '05 #22
J L
Hi Jim,
I was very excited about Thinstall until I got this pricing from
Jonathan:
1 Application License per unit with Basic support $4,000.00

That is outrageous. For those who dont believe it, here is the link he
sent me to get that pricing

https://thinstall.com/store/index.php

He definetly needs to rethink his pricing structure! I do agree with
all you are saying. Thinstall's philosophy is the right way to go for
XCOPY to really work and they could make a killing if they set thier
price points correctly. I am a single developer creating custom
applications for some fairly large food processors. No way can I
afford that price. A few hundred dollars and it is tempting. I believe
Jonathan should rethink the possible/probable price/volume curve if he
did price this aggressively... let's see, how many millions of .Net
programmers?...

John


I haven't talked to Jonathon Clark (President of Thinstall) in a few weeks.
The last time we talked, he had mentioned that they were working on a new
pricing scheme to be more flexible for small companies and large. So, I am
not sure what the pricing structure is right now.

Whatever it is, you can get an extra 5% off by mentioning jim__hubbard @
hotmail . com . Tell Jonathon I sent you. He's a great guy and his staff
are very helpful. www.thinstall.com


Nov 21 '05 #23
J L wrote:
Hi Jim,
I was very excited about Thinstall until I got this pricing from
Jonathan:
1 Application License per unit with Basic support $4,000.00

That is outrageous. For those who dont believe it, here is the link he
sent me to get that pricing

https://thinstall.com/store/index.php


Holy crap! That is some price increase! I bought it about 18 months ago
for $795 if I remember right. Just renewed it for another year of
upgrades for $300ish in December, too.

He needs to license per developer, that way the little guy can use it
and he can still hit up the big guys for a lot of money.

--
- Mitchell Vincent
- kBilling - Invoices Made Easy!
- http://www.k-billing.com
Nov 21 '05 #24
Either that or some of us smart guys can develop our own single package
installer and undercut the competition.

Brett

"J L" <jo**@marymonte .com> wrote in message
news:3v******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...
Hi Jim,
I was very excited about Thinstall until I got this pricing from
Jonathan:
1 Application License per unit with Basic support $4,000.00

That is outrageous. For those who dont believe it, here is the link he
sent me to get that pricing

https://thinstall.com/store/index.php

He definetly needs to rethink his pricing structure! I do agree with
all you are saying. Thinstall's philosophy is the right way to go for
XCOPY to really work and they could make a killing if they set thier
price points correctly. I am a single developer creating custom
applications for some fairly large food processors. No way can I
afford that price. A few hundred dollars and it is tempting. I believe
Jonathan should rethink the possible/probable price/volume curve if he
did price this aggressively... let's see, how many millions of .Net
programmers?...

John


I haven't talked to Jonathon Clark (President of Thinstall) in a few
weeks.
The last time we talked, he had mentioned that they were working on a new
pricing scheme to be more flexible for small companies and large. So, I
am
not sure what the pricing structure is right now.

Whatever it is, you can get an extra 5% off by mentioning jim__hubbard @
hotmail . com . Tell Jonathon I sent you. He's a great guy and his staff
are very helpful. www.thinstall.com

Nov 21 '05 #25
Yeah - the site is very convoluted. This product isn't for single
developers either. Read previous thread on pricing.

Brett

"Chris Dunaway" <du******@gmail .com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g14g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Scratch that! I can't even get a trial because my email address (at
sbcglobal.net) is rejected! Even though this is a national ISP!

Nov 21 '05 #26
Brett wrote:
Either that or some of us smart guys can develop our own single package
installer and undercut the competition.

Brett


The lack of competition is probably exactly what has driving the cost of
Thinstall up..

Your idea sure isn't a bad one! I could see something just to bundle the
..NET libraries around an executable as a MAJOR seller to .NET
developers. Obviously no trivial task, but certainly possible.
--
- Mitchell Vincent
- kBilling - Invoices Made Easy!
- http://www.k-billing.com
Nov 21 '05 #27

"Steve McLellan" <sjm AT fixerlabs DOT com> wrote in message
news:uz******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Notepad requires a runtime of sorts, and probably a load of libraries.
Hook a debugger up to it and see how many libraries load. The overhead is
hidden because they're generally already present, as will be the case with
the .NET framework at some point in the future. Things like Thinstall do
definitely have advantages, but if a bug crops up in a .NET component, how
do you patch it? You need to tell your users (it becomes a problem in YOUR
code, rather than the framework) rather than letting them just get updates
via Windows Update etc.


If you product doesn't work, they are going to blame you anyway.

That's how customers are (and should be, if you think about it logically).
Most aren't programmers, or even all that technically literate. If they
click on your program's icon, they expect it to work. If it doesn't, your
product sucks (in their eyes).

They don't care why it doesn't work. And they have been given the
run-around so much (the PC maker blames Windows, Microsoft blames a driver
manufacturer, the diver manufacturer can't be found......the PC user is
still screwed and now just more angry) that they don't want to hear that
it's someone else's fault. They just want it to work.

Cool thing about a Thinstall app is that you can also program it to update
itself. So, if you put a new version on an available server.....you' re set.

I've read the pricing concerns above, and I'll talk to Jonathan about it
today.

Jim Hubbard
Nov 21 '05 #28

J L wrote:
He definetly needs to rethink his pricing structure!


I have to agree. The main selling point of the product was to
eliminate the need for downloading and installing the .Net framework.
There are other benefis to be sure, but that is the main one. Once
your app get appreciable in size, that becomes less of an issue.

To me, the main users of that product would be small, shareware
developers who want their programs to download quick. But the pricing
is for a large development house.

Perhapse they could come up with different levels of the product such
as Personal, Professional, and Enterprise levels with more features
available in the advanced products. They could, for example, limits
the Personal edition to only Windows forms and libraries. If you want
to use more complex features of the .Net runtime, you would need more
advanced versions of Thinstall.

My 2c

Chris

Nov 21 '05 #29
J L
Hi Brett,
My thoughts exactly. Being the Laisez Faire Capitalists that I am...I
am betting on competition to put this market right eventually. I am
not capable of it, but with all the talent on this NG there must be
some who could do this...maybe not with all the bells and whistles but
doing the most important features (even there, I dont know what I am
talking about LOL)

John

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:33:09 -0500, "Brett" <no@spam.com> wrote:
Either that or some of us smart guys can develop our own single package
installer and undercut the competition.

Brett

"J L" <jo**@marymonte .com> wrote in message
news:3v******* *************** **********@4ax. com...
Hi Jim,
I was very excited about Thinstall until I got this pricing from
Jonathan:
1 Application License per unit with Basic support $4,000.00

That is outrageous. For those who dont believe it, here is the link he
sent me to get that pricing

https://thinstall.com/store/index.php

He definetly needs to rethink his pricing structure! I do agree with
all you are saying. Thinstall's philosophy is the right way to go for
XCOPY to really work and they could make a killing if they set thier
price points correctly. I am a single developer creating custom
applications for some fairly large food processors. No way can I
afford that price. A few hundred dollars and it is tempting. I believe
Jonathan should rethink the possible/probable price/volume curve if he
did price this aggressively... let's see, how many millions of .Net
programmers?...

John


I haven't talked to Jonathon Clark (President of Thinstall) in a few
weeks.
The last time we talked, he had mentioned that they were working on a new
pricing scheme to be more flexible for small companies and large. So, I
am
not sure what the pricing structure is right now.

Whatever it is, you can get an extra 5% off by mentioning jim__hubbard @
hotmail . com . Tell Jonathon I sent you. He's a great guy and his staff
are very helpful. www.thinstall.com


Nov 21 '05 #30

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