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where is the Key in TreeView.NET?


hi
i working with TreeView in VB6, and have good Properity Named (Key)
with the Key i can goto Any Node i know hes Key.

but in VB.NET i can find the Key :(
please tell me where i can find the key in TreeView.Net...
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Best Regards From Tark
Nov 21 '05
77 14459
It's not a new language. It's VB. It is different in some ways but it's
also very much the same ... like DAO and ADO :)

I am, technically, an old programmer :) I started with MS tools with the
release of Access1.0 and my first real work with VB began shortly thereafter
with the release of VB3.

Moving from VB3 to VB4-32 was a big leap and it was hard and frustrating (do
you remember back to that?).

Moving from VB4 to VB5/6 was hard too ... remember moving from DAO to ADO?
It was not a smooth migration. It was frustrating, but it was done by
millions.

Each time the effort and pain eventually paid off in ways that we did not
see when we set out to just make the move. Each time we got closer to the
Visual Basic that we really wanted.

I have found this evolutionary step no different at all.

Honestly. For my background: www.smithvoice.com\vbfun.htm

Robert Smith

"Tark Siala" <ta*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
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hi
yah VB7 not bad for New Programmer , but for old Programmer Using
VB3/4/5/6
(Like me) , it's very very bad
new structure of language , Defferent Controls , Can't find Normal Old
Proberties (like Key)

i think i must Satr Learning VB from the First
:)

Nov 21 '05 #11
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
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It's not a new language. It's VB. It is different in some ways but it's
also very much the same ... like DAO and ADO :)


No one's fighting but B# is *not* VB. Try going to planetsourcecod e.com
(http://www.planetsourcecode.com/vb/default.asp?lngWId=1) and just try
downloading any project (with the VB filter set) and open it in B#. Good
luck. Now, fire up VB6 and try to open a VB3/4/5 project. Except for the
16/32 bit differences it'll load and most likely run (what a concept).

Visual Fred
http://www.mvps.org/vb/index2.html?rants/vfred.htm

There are a lot of shareware authors out there. B# requires that you spend
an extra $1500 or so just so the end user can't see your source. That will
kill quite a few shareware authors. The obfuscator that ships with .Net has
been broken into 10 billion hacks by now. VB6 doesn't need obfuscated code.
Just the fact that it's compiled to native machine code means it's already
obfuscated.

The sad part of this post is... there's only one "dotnet" group in the list.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..
Nov 21 '05 #12
Instant and complete porting of old code is a valid point ... as was instant
porting from QBasic to VB and VB3 to VB5/6.

I guess it's perception, as most things really are, Ken. And calling it B#
kinda implies that you've pretty much got your mind firmly set to a
position. I too had that position and I might even have had you beat in my
initial hatred of VB7 (http://www.smithvoice.com/adorumination.htm )

Thing is, it hit me differently back a few years when I had been reading a
lot about VB.net but not really, honestly, using it and all of a sudden (I
remember the exact moment, sitting in my office at drugstore.com when
everyone else had gome home) I noticed that probably because I was tired my
fingers were just typing the VB that they had been doing for years and when
I pressed F5 the code ran. It was a "moment".

That's when I realized that all of the scary books and posts that said "You
Can Only Use VB.Net If You Think Like A Java Developer" were rubbish. You
do have to learn a bit of the new object model ... RDO was different from
DAO ... and you will go farther faster if you have a handle on OOP to begin
with (VB5/6 classes are enough ... after all, C+ still isn't SmallTalk) but
it being a completely alien "Language" isn't the case for a lot of folks who
have taken the leap of faith.

..Net is Revolutionary to C++ people, but it is Evolutionary to VB6 people
who used VB6-OOP.

I know there are still folks who swear that ActiveX and OOP and VB6 is just
MS hype that will go away eventually, and for their jobs VB3 with VBXes
still does them fine. As I see it, my perception, having a great background
in VB6 OOP makes the move to VB7 doable and after you've done a few apps you
might start wondering, as I did, what the worry was all about. Plus you'll
probably notice that being really good at VB6 and at least functional in
VB.Net gives you a tangible edge in these transitional times.

And remember, it's not an All or Nothing issue because there's "Interop"
that lets you use .Net components with VB6 and VB6 components with .Net and
that means that porting a full mature VB6 program or system to .Net can be
done either a little at a time or even that the app can be left as-is and
VB.Net can be used to add functionality that VB6 couldn't easily do .

A great example of this is that it is truly simple to make a real Windows
Service in VB.Net, no unsuppported NTsvc.ocx and no VB forms required.
Using VS2003 you just create a VB.Net Windows Service project and fill in a
couple of properties. Then you have that Service run a VB.Net or even a VB6
exe. XCopy the files to the server, call a commandline function named
InstallUtil.exe and your service is running... a true Windows Service.
I'll grant you that that service code would not instantly port from a VB6
example ... because VB6 can't do Window Services by itself. But with this
you have the best of both versions and you did it all with VB.

I like them both, and as the link above shows I didn't start out that way.
I hope you are able to get yourself onto an Interop project some time soon
so that you too can get feel that "moment".
And if this stuff about making VB6 and VB7 work seemlessly together
interests you even a little bit, I think you'd like the book by Rockford
Lhotka (a VB6 God) called "Profession al Visual Basic Interoperabilit y: COM
and VB6 to .Net" It's not about porting or leaving VB6 behind, it's about
using both together for more VB power. It only came out with a .Net 1.0
edition but nothing in it has really changed for .Net1.1. You know Rocky's
style so you know that it's directly aimed at us professional VB people and
it's not boring or fluffy. If it's not at your local store then get it from
amazon, they have a deal on it right now becuase of the death of WROX press.
I think you'll intrigued by the potiential benefits you'll see explained in
that book.

All the best.

Robert Smith
"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use _Sparingly_Hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:eU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
news:yr******** *********@newsr ead3.news.pas.e arthlink.net...
It's not a new language. It's VB. It is different in some ways but it's
also very much the same ... like DAO and ADO :)

Nov 21 '05 #13
Instant and complete porting of old code is a valid point ... as was instant
porting from QBasic to VB and VB3 to VB5/6.

I guess it's perception, as most things really are, Ken. And calling it B#
kinda implies that you've pretty much got your mind firmly set to a
position. I too had that position and I might even have had you beat in my
initial hatred of VB7 (http://www.smithvoice.com/adorumination.htm )

Thing is, it hit me differently back a few years when I had been reading a
lot about VB.net but not really, honestly, using it and all of a sudden (I
remember the exact moment, sitting in my office at drugstore.com when
everyone else had gome home) I noticed that probably because I was tired my
fingers were just typing the VB that they had been doing for years and when
I pressed F5 the code ran. It was a "moment".

That's when I realized that all of the scary books and posts that said "You
Can Only Use VB.Net If You Think Like A Java Developer" were rubbish. You
do have to learn a bit of the new object model ... RDO was different from
DAO ... and you will go farther faster if you have a handle on OOP to begin
with (VB5/6 classes are enough ... after all, C+ still isn't SmallTalk) but
it being a completely alien "Language" isn't the case for a lot of folks who
have taken the leap of faith.

..Net is Revolutionary to C++ people, but it is Evolutionary to VB6 people
who used VB6-OOP.

I know there are still folks who swear that ActiveX and OOP and VB6 is just
MS hype that will go away eventually, and for their jobs VB3 with VBXes
still does them fine. As I see it, my perception, having a great background
in VB6 OOP makes the move to VB7 doable and after you've done a few apps you
might start wondering, as I did, what the worry was all about. Plus you'll
probably notice that being really good at VB6 and at least functional in
VB.Net gives you a tangible edge in these transitional times.

And remember, it's not an All or Nothing issue because there's "Interop"
that lets you use .Net components with VB6 and VB6 components with .Net and
that means that porting a full mature VB6 program or system to .Net can be
done either a little at a time or even that the app can be left as-is and
VB.Net can be used to add functionality that VB6 couldn't easily do .

A great example of this is that it is truly simple to make a real Windows
Service in VB.Net, no unsuppported NTsvc.ocx and no VB forms required.
Using VS2003 you just create a VB.Net Windows Service project and fill in a
couple of properties. Then you have that Service run a VB.Net or even a VB6
exe. XCopy the files to the server, call a commandline function named
InstallUtil.exe and your service is running... a true Windows Service.
I'll grant you that that service code would not instantly port from a VB6
example ... because VB6 can't do Window Services by itself. But with this
you have the best of both versions and you did it all with VB.

I like them both, and as the link above shows I didn't start out that way.
I hope you are able to get yourself onto an Interop project some time soon
so that you too can get feel that "moment".
And if this stuff about making VB6 and VB7 work seemlessly together
interests you even a little bit, I think you'd like the book by Rockford
Lhotka (a VB6 God) called "Profession al Visual Basic Interoperabilit y: COM
and VB6 to .Net" It's not about porting or leaving VB6 behind, it's about
using both together for more VB power. It only came out with a .Net 1.0
edition but nothing in it has really changed for .Net1.1. You know Rocky's
style so you know that it's directly aimed at us professional VB people and
it's not boring or fluffy. If it's not at your local store then get it from
amazon, they have a deal on it right now becuase of the death of WROX press.
I think you'll intrigued by the potiential benefits you'll see explained in
that book.

All the best.

Robert Smith
"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use _Sparingly_Hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:eU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
news:yr******** *********@newsr ead3.news.pas.e arthlink.net...
It's not a new language. It's VB. It is different in some ways but it's
also very much the same ... like DAO and ADO :)

Nov 21 '05 #14
Oh, obfuscation. Another huge, huge worry when you start out. But for
*most* VB developers who do corporate work it's not really a deal-breaker,
right?

However, if you aren't a corporate dev then just don't use the free version
of Dotfusctor that comes with VS.

If you truly need obfuscation ... truly, as in you are a for-retail dev,
then go to the Standard Edition (I use that version myself when my projects
go outside a corporate environment) or to the Professional Edition. Or use
any of the other obfuscators that are out there, or even go to Thinstall
(that is a cool tool: www.thinstall.com )

Yes, they cost money but if you make money from your work then you can claim
the investment in your taxes and having the proper tools is the cost of
doing business in any business.

Look to the "real" vendors to see how they obfuscate (such as ComponentOne
of Infragistics or even the good little guy Rebex www.rebex.net. Just get
one of their controls and run it through Reflector from
http://www.aisto.com/roeder/dotnet/ and see how much code a bad person can
really steal from these reputable companies )

All the best, again :)

Robert Smith
Kirkland, WA
www.smithvoice.com

Nov 21 '05 #15
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
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Instant and complete porting of old code is a valid point ... as was
instant porting from QBasic to VB and VB3 to VB5/6.

I guess it's perception, as most things really are, Ken. And calling it
B# kinda implies that you've pretty much got your mind firmly set to a
position. I too had that position and I might even have had you beat in
my initial hatred of VB7 (http://www.smithvoice.com/adorumination.htm )


Well.. you've done a fairly good job of "prodding" VB6'ers over to B# but,
imo, that still doesn't mean B# is VB. Regardless. imo, B# is currently
about as useful as VB2 was (I'd say VB1 but there's already been a couple of
B# releases). As long as the framework is still running on top of the OS (as
Win3.1 still ran on top of DOS), it'll be dog slow and buggy. I prefer to
leave it to others to work with until it's mature. Let everyone else deal
with the "when I did this, the IDE crashed... but that was expected" type
problems. I have too much work (in VB6) to do. The company I currently work
for has zero interest in re-writting 20+ years worth of code just so they
can say that it't ".Net compatible". They just want something that works. It
doesn't matter one little bit if there's a ".Net" in the name. We don't do
database/web or any of the other types of apps that .Net was designed for.

fwiw, I plan on using B# to learn my way around the framework. There's very
little evidence that anything "profession al" will ever be written in B#. I
can point you to dozens of component vendors that claim that their
components are "100% C# authored". Not one that I've found claims to be
"100% B# authored". B# is still as much of a "toy language" as VB was/is as
far as MS and everyone else is concerned.

btw... my reference to "B#" vs the various nicknames for "the flavor of the
month.Net" is not a put down to the language. There absolutely needs to be a
way to tell them apart. VB.Net, as people refer to it in some groups, is
already dead. There is no ".Net" in the name anymore. VB <> B#, which means
we need a way to tell them apart. VB2005 will soon be released. It's just a
matter of time before people start calling that VB5. Just try searching for
VB5 samples and you'll see a problem. Try entering ".Net" in any search
engine. The results are worthless due to the .Net domain names. B# syntax is
closer to C# than it is to VB so B# is a great name and one that we've
suggested many times.

As long as people are complaining about B# benchmark results when compared
to VB6, and I have an OS that supports VB6, I'll be using VB6.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..
Nov 21 '05 #16
Oh, obfuscation. Another huge, huge worry when you start out. But for
*most* VB developers who do corporate work it's not really a deal-breaker,
right?

However, if you aren't a corporate dev then just don't use the free version
of Dotfusctor that comes with VS.

If you truly need obfuscation ... truly, as in you are a for-retail dev,
then go to the Standard Edition (I use that version myself when my projects
go outside a corporate environment) or to the Professional Edition. Or use
any of the other obfuscators that are out there, or even go to Thinstall
(that is a cool tool: www.thinstall.com )

Yes, they cost money but if you make money from your work then you can claim
the investment in your taxes and having the proper tools is the cost of
doing business in any business.

Look to the "real" vendors to see how they obfuscate (such as ComponentOne
of Infragistics or even the good little guy Rebex www.rebex.net. Just get
one of their controls and run it through Reflector from
http://www.aisto.com/roeder/dotnet/ and see how much code a bad person can
really steal from these reputable companies )

All the best, again :)

Robert Smith
Kirkland, WA
www.smithvoice.com

Nov 21 '05 #17
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
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Oh, obfuscation. Another huge, huge worry when you start out. But for
*most* VB developers who do corporate work it's not really a deal-breaker,
right?

However, if you aren't a corporate dev then just don't use the free
version of Dotfusctor that comes with VS.


My point exactly.... Something that no one ever had to worry about is now a
huge worry and will cost developers dearly (so much for about 60% of the
shareware market). No thanks. I like compiled code. Gave up P-Code quite a
few years ago.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..
Nov 21 '05 #18
:)

C++ makes the second-fastest code out there and MASM makes the fastest ever,
right?

Well, I can make VC++ on an HT box go slower than VB for DOS on a 286
because I don't have a lot of daily experience with VC++. :)

You're an MVP Ken, you know that a dev's experience with a specific task at
hand is usually what makes the biggest difference. And because of your
certified qualifications and experience I'm sure that you'll agree that a
VB5 person was faster up to speed with VB6 than a person whose very first
look at code was the VB6 IDE, and extrapolating on that I think you'll give
the nod to the idea that getting some *real* experience now with VB7 is a
great way to be floored by running the same code in just a few months using
the release version of VB8. I can't make blanket statements, but I can give
this example:
"When I ran this code in my environment with ADO.NET 1.1 and Visual Studio
2003, the execution time was about 30 minutes. With ADO.NET 2.0 and Visual
Studio 2005, I had an execution time of approximately 40-50 seconds!"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/defau...setenhance.asp
I wish it weren't true but I really have to get to work :). It's been a
great discussion and I thank you very much. (and thanks for taking a look at
my humble vb site, ther are a lot of "VBClassic" things there that I am
quite proud of)

Robert

"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use _Sparingly_Hotm ail.com> wrote in message
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"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
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Instant and complete porting of old code is a valid point ... as was
instant porting from QBasic to VB and VB3 to VB5/6.

I guess it's perception, as most things really are, Ken. And calling it
B# kinda implies that you've pretty much got your mind firmly set to a
position. I too had that position and I might even have had you beat in
my initial hatred of VB7 (http://www.smithvoice.com/adorumination.htm )


Well.. you've done a fairly good job of "prodding" VB6'ers over to B# but,
imo, that still doesn't mean B# is VB. Regardless. imo, B# is currently
about as useful as VB2 was (I'd say VB1 but there's already been a couple
of B# releases). As long as the framework is still running on top of the
OS (as Win3.1 still ran on top of DOS), it'll be dog slow and buggy. I
prefer to leave it to others to work with until it's mature. Let everyone
else deal with the "when I did this, the IDE crashed... but that was
expected" type problems. I have too much work (in VB6) to do. The company
I currently work for has zero interest in re-writting 20+ years worth of
code just so they can say that it't ".Net compatible". They just want
something that works. It doesn't matter one little bit if there's a ".Net"
in the name. We don't do database/web or any of the other types of apps
that .Net was designed for.

fwiw, I plan on using B# to learn my way around the framework. There's
very little evidence that anything "profession al" will ever be written in
B#. I can point you to dozens of component vendors that claim that their
components are "100% C# authored". Not one that I've found claims to be
"100% B# authored". B# is still as much of a "toy language" as VB was/is
as far as MS and everyone else is concerned.

btw... my reference to "B#" vs the various nicknames for "the flavor of
the month.Net" is not a put down to the language. There absolutely needs
to be a way to tell them apart. VB.Net, as people refer to it in some
groups, is already dead. There is no ".Net" in the name anymore. VB <> B#,
which means we need a way to tell them apart. VB2005 will soon be
released. It's just a matter of time before people start calling that VB5.
Just try searching for VB5 samples and you'll see a problem. Try entering
".Net" in any search engine. The results are worthless due to the .Net
domain names. B# syntax is closer to C# than it is to VB so B# is a great
name and one that we've suggested many times.

As long as people are complaining about B# benchmark results when compared
to VB6, and I have an OS that supports VB6, I'll be using VB6.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..

Nov 21 '05 #19
"smith" <rc********@smi thvoiceTAKEOUT. com> wrote in message
news:6W******** *******@newsrea d1.news.pas.ear thlink.net...
Instant and complete porting of old code is a valid point ... as was
instant porting from QBasic to VB and VB3 to VB5/6.

I guess it's perception, as most things really are, Ken. And calling it
B# kinda implies that you've pretty much got your mind firmly set to a
position. I too had that position and I might even have had you beat in
my initial hatred of VB7 (http://www.smithvoice.com/adorumination.htm )


Well.. you've done a fairly good job of "prodding" VB6'ers over to B# but,
imo, that still doesn't mean B# is VB. Regardless. imo, B# is currently
about as useful as VB2 was (I'd say VB1 but there's already been a couple of
B# releases). As long as the framework is still running on top of the OS (as
Win3.1 still ran on top of DOS), it'll be dog slow and buggy. I prefer to
leave it to others to work with until it's mature. Let everyone else deal
with the "when I did this, the IDE crashed... but that was expected" type
problems. I have too much work (in VB6) to do. The company I currently work
for has zero interest in re-writting 20+ years worth of code just so they
can say that it't ".Net compatible". They just want something that works. It
doesn't matter one little bit if there's a ".Net" in the name. We don't do
database/web or any of the other types of apps that .Net was designed for.

fwiw, I plan on using B# to learn my way around the framework. There's very
little evidence that anything "profession al" will ever be written in B#. I
can point you to dozens of component vendors that claim that their
components are "100% C# authored". Not one that I've found claims to be
"100% B# authored". B# is still as much of a "toy language" as VB was/is as
far as MS and everyone else is concerned.

btw... my reference to "B#" vs the various nicknames for "the flavor of the
month.Net" is not a put down to the language. There absolutely needs to be a
way to tell them apart. VB.Net, as people refer to it in some groups, is
already dead. There is no ".Net" in the name anymore. VB <> B#, which means
we need a way to tell them apart. VB2005 will soon be released. It's just a
matter of time before people start calling that VB5. Just try searching for
VB5 samples and you'll see a problem. Try entering ".Net" in any search
engine. The results are worthless due to the .Net domain names. B# syntax is
closer to C# than it is to VB so B# is a great name and one that we've
suggested many times.

As long as people are complaining about B# benchmark results when compared
to VB6, and I have an OS that supports VB6, I'll be using VB6.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..
Nov 21 '05 #20

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ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However, people are often confused as to whether an ONU can Work As a Router. In this blog post, we’ll explore What is ONU, What Is Router, ONU & Router’s main usage, and What is the difference between ONU and Router. Let’s take a closer look ! Part I. Meaning of...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can effortlessly switch the default language on Windows 10 without reinstalling. I'll walk you through it. First, let's disable language synchronization. With a Microsoft account, language settings sync across devices. To prevent any complications,...
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jinu1996
by: jinu1996 | last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven tapestry of website design and digital marketing. It's not merely about having a website; it's about crafting an immersive digital experience that captivates audiences and drives business growth. The Art of Business Website Design Your website is...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
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tracyyun
by: tracyyun | last post by:
Dear forum friends, With the development of smart home technology, a variety of wireless communication protocols have appeared on the market, such as Zigbee, Z-Wave, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. Each protocol has its own unique characteristics and advantages, but as a user who is planning to build a smart home system, I am a bit confused by the choice of these technologies. I'm particularly interested in Zigbee because I've heard it does some...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing, and deployment—without human intervention. Imagine an AI that can take a project description, break it down, write the code, debug it, and then launch it, all on its own.... Now, this would greatly impact the work of software developers. The idea...
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by: adsilva | last post by:
A Windows Forms form does not have the event Unload, like VB6. What one acts like?
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muto222
by: muto222 | last post by:
How can i add a mobile payment intergratation into php mysql website.
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bsmnconsultancy
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In today's digital era, a well-designed website is crucial for businesses looking to succeed. Whether you're a small business owner or a large corporation in Toronto, having a strong online presence can significantly impact your brand's success. BSMN Consultancy, a leader in Website Development in Toronto offers valuable insights into creating effective websites that not only look great but also perform exceptionally well. In this comprehensive...

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