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Ongoing purging of active records causes deadlocks

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Hi,

We have a Java application that runs against a variety of backends
including Oracle and MSSql 2000 and 2005. Our application has a
handful of active tables that are constantly being inserted into, and
some of which are being selected from on a regular basis.

We have a purge job to remove unneeded records that every hour "DELETE
FROM <tableWHERE <datafield< <sometimestamp>". This is how we are
purging because we need 100% up time, so we do so every hour. For
some tables the timestamp is 2 weeks ago, others its 2 hours ago. The
date field is indexed in some cases, in others it is not... the
DELETE is always done off of a transaction (autoCommit on), but
experimentation has shown doing it on one doesn't help much.

This task normally functions fine, but every once in a while the
inserts or counts on this table fail with deadlocks during the purge
job. I'm looking for thoughts as to what we could do differently or
other experience doing this type of thing, some possibilities include:
- doing a select first, then deleting one by one. This is a
possibility, but its SLOW and may take over an hour to do this so we'd
be constantly churning deleting single records from the db.
- freezing access to these tables during the purge job... our app
cannot really afford to do this, but perhaps this is the only option.
- doing an update of an "OBSOLETE" flag on the record, then deleting
by that flag... i'm not sure we'd avoid issues doing this, but its'
an option.

The failures happen VERY infrequently on sql2005 and much more
frequently on sql2000. Any help or guidance would be most
appreciated, thanks!

Bob

Jul 19 '07 #1
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bo******@gmail.com (bo******@gmail.com) writes:
We have a Java application that runs against a variety of backends
including Oracle and MSSql 2000 and 2005. Our application has a
handful of active tables that are constantly being inserted into, and
some of which are being selected from on a regular basis.

We have a purge job to remove unneeded records that every hour "DELETE
FROM <tableWHERE <datafield< <sometimestamp>". This is how we are
purging because we need 100% up time, so we do so every hour. For
some tables the timestamp is 2 weeks ago, others its 2 hours ago. The
date field is indexed in some cases, in others it is not... the
DELETE is always done off of a transaction (autoCommit on), but
experimentation has shown doing it on one doesn't help much.

This task normally functions fine, but every once in a while the
inserts or counts on this table fail with deadlocks during the purge
job. I'm looking for thoughts as to what we could do differently or
other experience doing this type of thing, some possibilities include:
- doing a select first, then deleting one by one. This is a
possibility, but its SLOW and may take over an hour to do this so we'd
be constantly churning deleting single records from the db.
- freezing access to these tables during the purge job... our app
cannot really afford to do this, but perhaps this is the only option.
- doing an update of an "OBSOLETE" flag on the record, then deleting
by that flag... i'm not sure we'd avoid issues doing this, but its'
an option.

The failures happen VERY infrequently on sql2005 and much more
frequently on sql2000. Any help or guidance would be most
appreciated, thanks!
I would suggest that you start with posting the CREATE TABLE and
CREATE INDEX table for you table, and the exact statement that
you use. Please also indicate how the typical INSERT operation
looks like, assuming that the INSERT operation is the on the purge
is on conflict with.

One option you could consider is to a SET DEADLOCK_PRIORITY LOW to
the purge job. If there is a deadlock, the purge is the one to go,
and not any other process.
--
Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, es****@sommarskog.se

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Jul 19 '07 #2

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On Jul 19, 3:13 pm, "bobdu...@gmail.com" <bobdu...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,

We have a Java application that runs against a variety of backends
including Oracle and MSSql 2000 and 2005. Our application has a
handful of active tables that are constantly being inserted into, and
some of which are being selected from on a regular basis.

We have a purge job to remove unneeded records that every hour "DELETE
FROM <tableWHERE <datafield< <sometimestamp>". This is how we are
purging because we need 100% up time, so we do so every hour. For
some tables the timestamp is 2 weeks ago, others its 2 hours ago. The
date field is indexed in some cases, in others it is not... the
DELETE is always done off of a transaction (autoCommit on), but
experimentation has shown doing it on one doesn't help much.

This task normally functions fine, but every once in a while the
inserts or counts on this table fail with deadlocks during the purge
job. I'm looking for thoughts as to what we could do differently or
other experience doing this type of thing, some possibilities include:
- doing a select first, then deleting one by one. This is a
possibility, but its SLOW and may take over an hour to do this so we'd
be constantly churning deleting single records from the db.
- freezing access to these tables during the purge job... our app
cannot really afford to do this, but perhaps this is the only option.
- doing an update of an "OBSOLETE" flag on the record, then deleting
by that flag... i'm not sure we'd avoid issues doing this, but its'
an option.

The failures happen VERY infrequently on sql2005 and much more
frequently on sql2000. Any help or guidance would be most
appreciated, thanks!

Bob
Read "Analyzing deadlocks with SQL Server Profiler", "How to resolve a
deadlock", "Resolving Deadlocks in SQL Server 2000". Consider
clustering your tables on your timestamp columns.
BTW, unlike Erland, we set deadlock priority to high so that our
purging interferes less with other activities.

Alex Kuznetsov, SQL Server MVP
http://sqlserver-tips.blogspot.com/

Jul 20 '07 #3

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On Jul 23, 9:03 am, "bobdu...@gmail.com" <bobdu...@gmail.comwrote:
We can try the clustered index, but i'm NOT convinced why this is
going to resolve the page lock issue... i've checked the execution
plan for some of our queries and it looks like it sorts first, then
does a clustered index scan of the ID. Is this really going to have
more page locks than if the index was on the date?
If your table is clustered on the criteria you use for purging, then
your historical data and your current data are physically stored on
different pages (if you provide some grace period between current and
historical). Also your purging touches as little pages as possible and
as such runs faster. This does not guarantee you will not have
deadlocks, but it might decrease their probability. Note that index
entries for current and historical data in NCIs will still intertwine,
so you still may get deadlocks.

Alex Kuznetsov, SQL Server MVP
http://sqlserver-tips.blogspot.com/

Jul 26 '07 #4

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