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Is Vista replacing XP or Not?

MMcCarthy
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When I bought my new system a couple of months ago I actually paid extra to have XP Pro installed rather than Vista. Apart from anything else most of my clients still use XP. Eventually I will have to partition my system to allow for Vista to be loaded as well (I have a home licence) just to test compatability.

I've also noticed we are getting more questions from members who are having problems on applications when moving them to Vista.

I would be very interested in the opinions and experiences of this community on this issue.

BTW, can we just accept that Linux is the best thing since sliced bread and keep this topic purely on windows?

Mary (digg it)
Sep 28 '07
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Denburt
1,356 Recognized Expert Top Contributor
If anyone is curious here is some interesting information about Vista cut off dates as well as making mention of a rollback feature from Vista to XP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017624.stm
Sep 28 '07 #41
drhowarddrfine
7,435 Recognized Expert Expert
Most people will get Vista because they think/feel they have to or are supposed to whether they need to or not. Nobody needs to.

My son got Vista with his new notebook and said the same as above. It's like XP, only shinier. So why did he need all this extra power?

I've noticed a lot of people on forums talking about how they've given up on Windows and are switching to Linux. I don't think that will be the 'everyman' thing, though.

I think Vista may be another crack for Google, and others, to get a wedge into for their online apps. Microsoft dwells too much on the personal power and those who only want to surf the web and write letters (most people) already question what they're spending all that money on.
Sep 28 '07 #42
Frinavale
9,735 Recognized Expert Moderator Expert
Most people will get Vista because they think/feel they have to or are supposed to whether they need to or not. Nobody needs to.

My son got Vista with his new notebook and said the same as above. It's like XP, only shinier. So why did he need all this extra power?
...
I don't think it has much to do with "extra power".
I have a feeling its because Microsoft is trying to undo the ActiveX security holes in their operating system by converting a lot of its components into .NET... I could be off here..though so if anyone wants to correct me go right ahead.
Sep 28 '07 #43
Atli
5,058 Recognized Expert Expert
The other week I couldn't download a free MS sample as their "Genuine Advantage" server was down and they accused me wrongly of having an illegal version of XP installed on my laptop.
Are you sure that was the problem? I only ask because by default, if the WGA servers are down, your system will pass the validation.

There was a problem with the WGA server in august tho. Maybe you were one of the lucky 12.000 people who were affected by that.

You can read about it here
Sep 28 '07 #44
nico5038
3,080 Recognized Expert Specialist
Are you sure that was the problem? I only ask because by default, if the WGA servers are down, your system will pass the validation.

There was a problem with the WGA server in august tho. Maybe you were one of the lucky 12.000 people who were affected by that.

You can read about it here
Yep, it was in the Dutch news:
http://www.nu.nl/news/1210691/50/rss...piraterij.html

Remains the fact that even a customer like me, having payed my yearly contribution for TechNet, is accused of illegal activities. I think it's a perfect sample of "Big Brother is watching you" and that we get less control over our own machines...

I know that hacking is a problem, but with Vista MS did move the problem of their incapability to write solid code to the desktop of all customers.

Nic;o)
Sep 28 '07 #45
NeoPa
32,584 Recognized Expert Moderator MVP
I'm inclined to agree with you Nico.
For years they've been going around disabling things with a claim that it's higher security. Any idiot can go down that path. It just ends in turning off the PC altogether.
Sep 28 '07 #46
Atli
5,058 Recognized Expert Expert
I think Microsoft is doing this all wrong. They're putting way to much effort into protecting themselves against people hacking their software. They should just accept the fact that their software will get hacked and stop trying to prevent it.

As you say, all this anti-hacking protection is doing nothing but get in the way of the paying customers, but it is doing little or nothing to prevent the hackers. Honestly, it's probably easier to get and set up a hacked version than a genuine version. The hacked versions are usually just "plug and play", while the genuine versions will require several different authentications , which have a bad habit of failing even for genuine customers.

I've always thought they should just make a free public version of Windows that people can use on their home computer as well as a business version to sell to companies and such. They could publish Vista Home Basic free and offer upgrades to Premium and Ultimate.
Sep 29 '07 #47
Frinavale
9,735 Recognized Expert Moderator Expert
I think Microsoft is doing this all wrong. Their putting way to much effort into protecting themselves against people hacking their software. They should just accept the fact that their software will get hacked and stop trying to prevent it.
There are so many reasons why this statement is just.......wron g.

It's not just their software that they are trying to protect. They're trying to protect against billions of dollars in losses due to some virus attacking business computers...bec ause they have a hole in their software's security....

I' don't think you know the what the impact of disregarding the security of software would have on the world....our societies are becoming more and more technology based....just think about it...even power grids are on the internet...some of which are running Windows!
Sep 29 '07 #48
Atli
5,058 Recognized Expert Expert
There are so many reasons why this statement is just.......wron g.

It's not just their software that they are trying to protect. They're trying to protect against billions of dollars in losses due to some virus attacking business computers...bec ause they have a hole in their software's security....
I may have put that the wrong way :P

I don't mean they should stop protecting against viruses and people trying to hack into other peoples' systems.
I mean, they should stop trying so hard to protect their software from being pirated, copied and used unlicensed, because that is something they cannot stop. They could just as well publish some of it for free and focus their attentions on something that will actually be useful.

I' don't think you know the what the impact of disregarding the security of software would have on the world....our societies are becoming more and more technology based....just think about it...even power grids are on the internet...some of which are running Windows!
Yes, I do realize this. I've seen Die Hard 4.0 :)

P.S. I think we're getting a bit off-topic here... sorry about that.
Sep 29 '07 #49
xNephilimx
213 Recognized Expert New Member
Hi everyone!
I think Vista will eventually replace XP, but not for a long time, like XP did with 98/2000. It took some time for people to adapt, and the software itself to become "stable".
I do think as it's been stated before, here, that the releaseing of garbage OSs is a very good marketing technique, knowing that the majority of people need windows, because they've been -sort of- born with it, or because M$ just knew the way to carve the idea that windows it's easier to usen on people's minds, once windws is settled, once windows won that battle against the natural resistace for people towars change (because people in general are always reluctant to change in all aspects, it's part of the human nature) they knew they could just do about anything. So they knew that even releasing a totally unusable OS, people would still buy it, the common of the people just doesn't even care to know the system's details. Eventually M$ will release a patched version of Vista, leading the ones that had the older version to upgrade and the ones who still doesn't have them buy it, so from release to release they will always have customers.

I haven't experienced Vista by myself, I've been told that's a total wreckage of a system, too much shinines that engulfs tons of memory, being totally unnecesary, incompatibiliti es all around, and stuff like that. But I can't give you my opinion on that, because I haven't tried it. I also not going to until I'm forced and until it is as stable as (or more than... ¬¬) XP

Also, I think that this security issues and stuff is just because they start building upon weathered foundations, sooner or later it will fail. Anyway in the meantime, they will continue selling, because of what I exposed earlier. So they will never loose, even if they release a system worse that millenium.

In conclsion, I do think that Vista will replace XP, but some of us that have more knowdlege and experience than regular users, will still wait until it becomes stable.

Best regards!
The_Nephilim
Sep 29 '07 #50

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