[off-topic] Usenet

[hdante]

Hello,

How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

What's your prefered news reader ?

[Mike Driscoll]

On May 13, 1:02*pm, hdante <[e-mail]:

Hello,

*How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

*What's your prefered news reader ?

You can use Gmane or Nabble or you could subscribe to c.l.py as a
mailing list here:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Mike

[Ben Finney]

hdante <hd****@gmail.comwrites:

How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server).

Complain to your ISP; let them know they have a paying customer who
isn't getting an essential internet service. (No, this likely won't
change *your* situation, and yes, most ISPs are this neglectful.)

Then, <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Free_Usenet_serversor
a similar resource.

Do you recommend doing so ?

Yes, definitely. Google Groups treats Usenet messages poorly.

What's your prefered news reader ?

Gnus <URL:http://gnus.org/>, a program running in Emacs. Thunderbird
<URL:http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>, slrn
<URL:http://www.slrn.org/>, and tin <URL:http://www.tin.org/have
also given me good Usenet experiences in the past.

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[Duncan Booth]

hdante <hd****@gmail.comwrote:

How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

Yes, even those ISP's who do have a news server often seem to make a mess
of maintaining it. I use news.individual.net which seems to do a pretty
good job of filtering out spam messages (or at least I see a lot more
messages complaining about spam messages than spam messages themselves).

Also, it is a lot cheaper than most third party news servers: 10EUR per
year for 25,000 newsgroups. See http://news.individual.net/

What's your prefered news reader ?

XNews, but that's mostly just because I'm used to it. It is getting a bit
elderly these days and doesn't handle non-ascii encodings very well. It
does have good scorefile support though.

I use Hamster to actually retrieve news: Hamster runs as a local newsserver
and pulls feeds from as many different news servers as I want to configure
presenting them all as though they come from the same server. That means I
can use my ISPs server as a backup in case I can't access
news.individual.net for any reason (my previous ISP kept 'accidentally'
throttling usenet access): Hamster just merges the newsfeeds together and
is intelligent enough not to fetch a message twice from different servers.

I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find the
mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.

[Terry Reedy]

"Duncan Booth" <du**********@invalid.invalidwrote in message
news:Xn*************************@127.0.0.1...
| I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
| lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
| server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find
the
| mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.

gmane.comp.python.general

which is where I am answering this from. Works great.

[castironpi]

On May 14, 11:58*am, "Terry Reedy" <[e-mail]:

"Duncan Booth" <[e-mail] in message

news:Xn*************************@127.0.0.1...
| I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
| lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
| server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find
the
| mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.

gmane.comp.python.general

which is where I am answering this from. *Works great.

Love them opticals.

[Henrique Dante de Almeida]

Em Wed, 14 May 2008 10:01:40 -0700, castironpi escreveu:

On May 14, 11:58Â*am, "Terry Reedy" <[e-mail]:

Love them opticals.

Testing. :-P

[John Salerno]

On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
"Terry Reedy" <tj*****@udel.eduwrote:

>
"Duncan Booth" <du**********@invalid.invalidwrote in message
news:Xn*************************@127.0.0.1...
| I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
| lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
| server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find
the
| mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.

gmane.comp.python.general

which is where I am answering this from. Works great.

So that's the same as c.l.p.?

[Terry Reedy]

"John Salerno" <jo******@NOSPAMgmail.comwrote in message
news:20******************************@NOSPAMgmail. com...
| On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
| "Terry Reedy" <tj*****@udel.eduwrote:
|
| gmane.comp.python.general
| >
| which is where I am answering this from. Works great.
|
| So that's the same as c.l.p.?

It is the same as python-list, which happens to be the same as c.l.p..
Gmane mirrors technical mailing lists, including over 200 under g.c.python.

[Ben Finney]

"Terry Reedy" <tj*****@udel.eduwrites:

"John Salerno" <jo******@NOSPAMgmail.comwrote in message
news:20******************************@NOSPAMgmail. com...
| On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
| "Terry Reedy" <tj*****@udel.eduwrote:
|
| gmane.comp.python.general
|
| So that's the same as c.l.p.?

It is the same as python-list, which happens to be the same as c.l.p..

Which, to be clear, is a special case: the fact that the mailing list
'python-list' and the newsgroup 'comp.lang.python' interchange
messages, and are effectively the same forum, has nothing to do with
Gmane. That situation predates, and is unaffected by, the introduction
of Gmane.

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Ben Finney

[Aahz]

In article <6b**********************************@j22g2000hsf. googlegroups.com>,
hdante <hd****@gmail.comwrote:

>
How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

If you'd like an ISP with a decent news server, I highly recommend
panix.com

>What's your prefered news reader ?

trn3.6, same as it's been for the last eighteen years. ;-)
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