Python Windows Editors

[W. Watson]

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.
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[mensanator]

W. Watson wrote:

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE.. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files.
But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options.

>
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.
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[Ant]

The pywin32 extension does not contain the python runtime itself, but
comes with many (very useful) classes you can use when interacting with
the windows universe. The editor is based on a component called
scintilla (http://www.scintilla.org/). The referenced site also offers
an editor SciTE based around the component, which comes with some nice
features and syntax files for a number of languages.

If you are going to make use of python on the windows platform, I would
highly recommend the pywin32 extension.

Regards,

Ant

W. Watson wrote:

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE.. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.
--
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>

[laurent rahuel]

Hi,

I guess you could take a look at pydev extension for eclipse and if you
wan't an almost straight forward installation, you should consider this
link :
http://www.easyeclipse.org/site/dist...ns/python.html

Regards,

Laurent

W. Watson a écrit :

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.

[Stef Mientki]

W. Watson wrote:

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.

there a too many (good) IDE's for Python ;-)
maybe we should give them a ranking,
I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough: PyScripter
http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4
cheers,
Stef Mientki

[W. Watson]

me********@aol.com wrote:

W. Watson wrote:

>I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files.
But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options.

Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way.

[gonzlobo]

I prefer PyScripter too, but would like to know if I can have
'indentation guides' enabled like PythonWin allows.

On 1/21/07, Stef Mientki <S.**************@mailbox.kun.nlwrote:

I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough: PyScripter
http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4

[stef]

gonzlobo wrote:

I prefer PyScripter too, but would like to know if I can have
'indentation guides' enabled like PythonWin allows.

If you mean, typing a for-statement, then when placing the final ":"+Enter,
the indentation auto increases,
then the answer is yes,
otherwise I don't kno what you mean.

cheers,
Stef Mientki

[Jarek Zgoda]

W. Watson napisa³(a):

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

No, there's no "single official Python editor or IDE". You can edit
Python code in any editor you want. When I was on Windows, I used to use
jEdit (http://www.jedit.org/) or Vim (http://www.vim.org/), but others
will give you other advices. Any text editor is only as good as the
programmer who uses it. ;)

--
Jarek Zgoda
http://jpa.berlios.de/

[Stef Mientki]

Any text editor is only as good as the

programmer who uses it. ;)

Yes but an IDE is different ;-)

cheers,
Stef Mientki

[Jarek Zgoda]

Stef Mientki napisa³(a):

Any text editor is only as good as the

>programmer who uses it. ;)

Yes but an IDE is different ;-)

Would it make me better Fortran programmer? ;)

--
Jarek Zgoda
http://jpa.berlios.de/

[Stef Mientki]

Jarek Zgoda wrote:

Stef Mientki napisa³(a):

> Any text editor is only as good as the

>>programmer who uses it. ;)

Yes but an IDE is different ;-)

Would it make me better Fortran programmer? ;)

I can't judge for you, ...
.... maybe you are already at the top ;-)
I can only speak for myself ...
.... for beginners an IDE is certainly much much more than an editor.

cheers,
Stef Mientki

[jussij]

Stef Mientki wrote:

there a too many (good) IDE's for Python ;-)

FWIW the Zeus for Windows IDE has Python support:

http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html

Zeus has standard IDE features like syntax highlighting,
integrated version control, project/workspace, class
browsing etc, but it does smart indenting and code
folding for Python and you can even write Zeus
macros using Python ;)

It is even possible to integrate the Python SDK help
directly into the editor:

http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8

I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough:

Zeus is rock solid ;)

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows

[Laurent Pointal]

W. Watson a écrit :

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover:
1. Time is money.
2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion
to its value.

Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ntEnvironments

A+

Laurent.

[stef]

Laurent Pointal wrote:

W. Watson a écrit :

>I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ntEnvironments

just what I said, TOO many ;-)
and of course how do you keep these pages up-to-date ?
Zeus (commercial) isn't mentioned ...
SPE which has great credits, but can't be found, and if you find it
somewhere, no manual and it crashes within 30 seconds (repeatly) ;-)

Not an easy task I guess,
but it would be nice to have some voting system,
(maybe only to allow voting when you have compared at least 2 programs)
that would represent the current state,
and in which new programs would have a fair chance to start.

cheers,
Stef Mientki

[Laurent Pointal]

stef a écrit :

Laurent Pointal wrote:

>W. Watson a écrit :

>>I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ntEnvironments

just what I said, TOO many ;-)

Yes, test some, and choose one.
[personnaly, I use Notepad++ on Windows, and Kate on Linux, just
editors, not IDEs]

and of course how do you keep these pages up-to-date ?
Zeus (commercial) isn't mentioned ...

....its a Wiki... click the right link and update it:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ts?action=edit

SPE which has great credits, but can't be found, and if you find it
somewhere, no manual and it crashes within 30 seconds (repeatly) ;-)

Not an easy task I guess,
but it would be nice to have some voting system,
(maybe only to allow voting when you have compared at least 2 programs)
that would represent the current state,
and in which new programs would have a fair chance to start.

Its difficult, apart from their stability (which can get better or bad
on the time, upen their evolution and the evolution of the libraries
they use), its a large part of personnal taste.

IMHO you can only have functionnal comparison of such tools. I started a
synthesis page of editors/IDEs functionnalities in the pythonfr wiki
(french) some (long) time ago...

http://wikipython.flibuste.net/moin....sEtIDESynthese

But a Wiki form seem to not be the best way for such comparison... a
dynamic page with a database and some dynamic request would be better.

A+

Laurent.

[Hertha Steck]

Am Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:33:12 +0000 schrieb W. Watson:

me********@aol.com wrote:

>W. Watson wrote:

>>I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

By "IDE" you mean IDLE, don't you?

>>
Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files.
But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options.

Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way.

And you are absolutely certain you won't never, ever, detect a typo when
you have your script open in Word, correct it, save the file and try to
use the resulting mess as a Python script? Or does Word leave it as a text
file in such a case? I never dare to open source code in Word, so I'm not
really sure.

Hertha

[W. Watson]

Hertha Steck wrote:

Am Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:33:12 +0000 schrieb W. Watson:

>me********@aol.com wrote:

>>W. Watson wrote:
I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I
understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the
download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has
just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the
PythonWin editor by itself?

By "IDE" you mean IDLE, don't you?

>>Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files.
But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options.

Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way.

And you are absolutely certain you won't never, ever, detect a typo when
you have your script open in Word, correct it, save the file and try to
use the resulting mess as a Python script? Or does Word leave it as a text
file in such a case? I never dare to open source code in Word, so I'm not
really sure.

Hertha

Yes, looking at it again, it's IDLE in my Start (Programs) menu. When I put
it into Word, I print the document with line #s and then mark up the
listing. I never try to use a Word doc in Python.
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

"Depend upon it, there is nothing so unnatural as the
commonplace." -- Sherlock Holmes, in "A Case of Identity"
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[W. Watson]

Stef Mientki wrote:

Any text editor is only as good as the

>programmer who uses it. ;)

Yes but an IDE is different ;-)

cheers,
Stef Mientki

Correct.
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

"Depend upon it, there is nothing so unnatural as the
commonplace." -- Sherlock Holmes, in "A Case of Identity"
--
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>

[W. Watson]

W. Watson wrote:

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
[corrected]IDLE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?

I don't see any responses that address regarding
pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, so it looks like I'll have to undbundle it and
see for myself.

[redawgts]

Yes, pywin32 installs PythonWin.

On Jan 24, 4:07 pm, "W. Watson" <[e-mail]:

W. Watson wrote:

I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is
[corrected]IDLE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's
in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this
exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I
get the PythonWin editor by itself?

BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print
command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what
pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?I don't see any responses that address regarding

pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, so it looks like I'll have to undbundle it and
see for myself.