in Gnuplot (Gnuplot.utils) the input array will be converted to a Numeric float array as shown below. When I insert a numpy array into Gnuplot like that below, numbers 7.44 are cast to 7.0
Why is this and what should I do ? Is this bug in numpy or in Numeric?
[Dbg]>>m #numpy array
array([[ 9.78109200e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78454800e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78541200e+08, 8.19000000e+00],
...,
[ 1.16162280e+09, 8.14600000e+01],
[ 1.16170920e+09, 8.10500000e+01],
[ 1.16179560e+09, 8.16800000e+01]])
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float32)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109184e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454784e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78541184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78627584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78713984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78973184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79059584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79145984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79232384e+008, 9.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79318784e+008, 8.00000000e+000]],'f')
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109200e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454800e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78541200e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78627600e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78714000e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78973200e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79059600e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79146000e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79232400e+008, 9.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79318800e+008, 8.00000000e+000]])
[Dbg]>>>
and why and what is:
[Dbg]>>m[0,1]
7.44
[Dbg]>>type(_)
<type 'numpy.float64'>
[Dbg]>>>
does this also slow down python math computations?
should one better stay away from numpy in current stage of numpy development?
I remember, with numarray there were no such problems.
robert
PS: in Gnuplot.utils:
def float_array(m):
"""Return the argument as a Numeric array of type at least 'Float32'.
Leave 'Float64' unchanged, but upcast all other types to
'Float32'. Allow also for the possibility that the argument is a
python native type that can be converted to a Numeric array using
'Numeric.asarray()', but in that case don't worry about
downcasting to singleprecision float.
"""
try:
# Try Float32 (this will refuse to downcast)
return Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float32)
except TypeError:
# That failure might have been because the input array was
# of a wider data type than Float32; try to convert to the
# largest floatingpoint type available:
return Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float) 2 2690
robert wrote:
in Gnuplot (Gnuplot.utils) the input array will be converted to a Numeric float array as shown below. When I insert a numpy array into Gnuplot like that below, numbers 7.44 are cast to 7.0
Why is this and what should I do ? Is this bug in numpy or in Numeric?
[Dbg]>>m #numpy array
array([[ 9.78109200e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78454800e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78541200e+08, 8.19000000e+00],
...,
[ 1.16162280e+09, 8.14600000e+01],
[ 1.16170920e+09, 8.10500000e+01],
[ 1.16179560e+09, 8.16800000e+01]])
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float32)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109184e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454784e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78541184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78627584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78713984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78973184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79059584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79145984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79232384e+008, 9.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79318784e+008, 8.00000000e+000]],'f')
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109200e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454800e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
The problem is with the version of Numeric you are using. I can replicate this
problem with Numeric 24.0 but not with 24.2.
and why and what is:
[Dbg]>>m[0,1]
7.44
[Dbg]>>type(_)
<type 'numpy.float64'>
[Dbg]>>>
It is a scalar object. numpy supports more number types than Python does so the
scalar results of indexing operations need representations beyond the standard
int, float, complex types. These scalar objects also support the array
interface, so it's easier to write generic code that may operate on arrays or
scalars. Their existence also resolves the longstanding problem of maintaining
the precision of arrays even when performing operations with scalars. In
Numeric, adding the scalar 2.0 to a single precision array would return a
doubleprecision array. Worse, if a and b are single precision arrays, (a+b[0])
would give a doubleprecision result because b[0] would have to be represented
as a standard Python float.
The _Guide to NumPy_ has a discussion of these in Chapter 2, part of the sample
chapters: http://numpy.scipy.org/numpybooksample.pdf
does this also slow down python math computations?
If you do a whole lot of computations with scalar values coming out of arrays,
then yes, somewhat. You can forestall that by casting to Python floats or ints
if that is causing problems for you.
should one better stay away from numpy in current stage of numpy development?
I remember, with numarray there were no such problems.
Not really, no.

Robert Kern
"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
 Umberto Eco
robert wrote:
in Gnuplot (Gnuplot.utils) the input array will be converted to a Numeric float array as shown below. When I insert a numpy array into Gnuplot like that below, numbers 7.44 are cast to 7.0
Why is this and what should I do ? Is this bug in numpy or in Numeric?
[Dbg]>>m #numpy array
array([[ 9.78109200e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78454800e+08, 7.44000000e+00],
[ 9.78541200e+08, 8.19000000e+00],
...,
[ 1.16162280e+09, 8.14600000e+01],
[ 1.16170920e+09, 8.10500000e+01],
[ 1.16179560e+09, 8.16800000e+01]])
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float32)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109184e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454784e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78541184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78627584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78713984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78973184e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79059584e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79145984e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79232384e+008, 9.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79318784e+008, 8.00000000e+000]],'f')
[Dbg]>>Numeric.asarray(m, Numeric.Float)[:10]
array([[ 9.78109200e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78454800e+008, 7.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78541200e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78627600e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78714000e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.78973200e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79059600e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79146000e+008, 8.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79232400e+008, 9.00000000e+000],
[ 9.79318800e+008, 8.00000000e+000]])
This is odd but we need to know the version numbers of both packages to
help further. For one, I'm surprised that you can use Numeric.asarray
to force cast to Numeric.Float32 without raising an error.
Also, you can ask on nu**************@lists.sourceforge.net to reach an
audience more directly able to help.
[Dbg]>>>
and why and what is:
[Dbg]>>m[0,1]
7.44
[Dbg]>>type(_)
<type 'numpy.float64'>
[Dbg]>>>
does this also slow down python math computations?
No, not necessarily (depends on what you mean).
Python floats are still Python floats. NumPy provides, in addition, an
array scalar for every "kind" of data that a NumPy array can be composed
of. This avoids the problems with being unable to find an appropriate
Python scalar for a given datatype. Where possible, the NumPy scalar
inherits from the Python one.
By default, the NumPy scalars have their own math defined which uses the
errormode setting capabilities of NumPy to handle errors. Right now,
these operations are a bit slower than Python's builtins because of the
way that "mixed" calculations are handled.
For, the datatypes that overlap with Python scalars you can set things
up so that NumPy scalars use the Python math instead if you want. But,
again, NumPy does nothing to change the way that Python numbers are
calculated.
should one better stay away from numpy in current stage of numpy development?
No, definitely not. Don't stay away. NumPy 1.0 is out. This discussion thread is closed Replies have been disabled for this discussion. Similar topics
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