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Xah's Edu Corner: Examples of Quality Technical Writing

i had the pleasure to read the PHP's manual today.

http://www.php.net/manual/en/

although Pretty Home Page is another criminal hack of the unix lineage,
but if we are here to judge the quality of its documentation, it is a
impeccability.

it has or possesses properties of:

• To the point and useful.

PHP has its roots in mundaness, like Perl and Apache. Its doc being
practicality oriented isn't a surprise, as are the docs of Perl and
Apache.

• Extreme clarity!

The doc is extremely well-written. The authors's writing skills
shows, that they can present their ideas clearly, and also that they
have put thoughts into what they wanted to say.

• Ample usage examples.

As with Perl's doc, PHP doc is not afraid to show example snippets,
yet not abuse it as if simply slapping on examples in lieu of proper
spec or discussion.

• Appropriate functions or keywords are interlinked.

This aspect is also well done in other quality docs, such as
Mathematica, Java, MS JScript, Perl's official docs.

• No abuse of jargons.

In fact, it's so well written that there's almost no jargons in its
docs, yet conveys its intentions to a tee. This aspect can also be seen
in Mathematica's doc, or Microsoft's JScript doc, for examples.

• No author masturbation. (if fact, you won't see a first-person
perspective, as is the case with most quality tech writing.)

We must truely appreciate the authors of the PHP doc. Because, PHP, as
a free shit in the unix shit culture, with extreme ties to Perl and
Apache (both of which has extremely motherfucked docs), but can wean
itself from a shit milieu and stand pure and clean to become a paragon
of technical writing.

------------
Reminder for the purpose of this post:

The world's mother fuckers are the community and doc writers of: Unix
(man pages), Perl, Apache, Python.

As i have alluded or expounded before, the unix & Apache are criminally
the worst, Perl being a close follow up. Python's on a class of its
own, being a mutated Computer Sciency fuck that is possibly even worse
on the whole than Perl's doc.

Here a sample list of a variety of quality technical writings:

• Mathematica
http://documents.wolfram.com/mathematica/

• Microsoft's JScript official docs

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...ndamentals.asp
• Emacs Lisp Introduction (by Robert J. Chassell)
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/
(GNU project's documentations are almost always quality documentations.
For example, the official emacs and elisp docs ale both of high
quality.)

• Java official doc
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/index.html

Java, being a bottled-up inflexible language with incessant lies
backup by huge amounts of $money$, nevertheless hired professional
writers for its huge official documentation — produced a very well
done doc for a very complex language. (however, the official Java
Tutorial is a fucking crap)

• Scheme (R5RS)
http://www.schemers.org/Documents/St...5rs-Z-H-2.html

• Scheme (Teaching yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days)
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/t-...eme-Z-H-1.html

These are all quality technical writings. They have different styles
and audiences and coverages. If you want to see clarity and concision,
see JScript, PHP, and Scheme intro. If you want to see clarity with
verbosity, see Emacs Lisp Intro. For clarity sans arcana yet covers
esoterica, see the Mathematica doc. Some of these are written for
people with no experience in programing, yet functions as equivalent to
teaching/documenting extremely advanced programing concepts. If you
want to see proper use of jargons at a IT professional level, see the
Java doc. If you want to see exemplary tech writing in a academic
style, see the Scheme R5RS.

Related essay:
Why OpenSource Documentation is of Low Quality
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w...bni_papri.html

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Dec 6 '05
102 6340
VK

Xah Lee wrote:
sometimes in the last few months, apparently Microsoft made changes to
their JavaScript documentation website:


Their *JScript* documentation website - here's the keyword.

See:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_frm/thread/a4a1e9736dc8fa11/9f41a436cf9d8f44>

After the official breakup with IE for Mac OS:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_frm/thread/e85ccf55553d8da2/5dddd18b0949b792#5dddd18b0949b792>

JScript site is now only and exclusively for Internet Explorer 5.5 and
higher under Windows 98 SE and higher.

Any other visitors are out of support and interest of Microsoft - at
least in JScript domain. It is bad and rude, but it is and I'm affraid
it will be.

Dec 24 '05 #51
Zif
Xah Lee wrote:
sometimes in the last few months, apparently Microsoft made changes to
their JavaScript documentation website:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...bfe2330aa9.asp

so that, one has to goddamn press the "expand" button to view the
documentation, for every goddamn page.

What the fuck is going on?

They are still using browser sniffing to determine what CSS to send to
the browser (IE 5.2 gets 'ie4.css', Safari gets 'n6.css'. Despite
that, they deliver js files with hundreds (maybe thousands) of lines
of code to browsers that can't execute them. Why bother sniffing?
They are still using '<!-- -->' inside their style and script elements
- ya gotta wonder who would visit a page about browser scripting using
a browser that doesn't know what a script element is (and is probably
more than 10 years old).
In a file called 'whidbey/script.js' they still use document.all
without any fall back to getElementById. Isn't whidbey the code name
for Visual Studio .NET 2005? Does it use document.all exclusively?
The frame pages generate lots of errors, including really basic things
like no doctype and unclosed tags in documents that pretend to be XML.
[...]

WHAT THE FUCK is going on?

Answer: Motherfucking incompetence has come alive.


Yes. Their documentation for the Office XML standard runs to 1,900
pages. The documentation of their streaming media server and media
player interfaces and formats was deemed utterly useless after being
given 18 months to deliver same.

What did you expect?
[...]

--
Zif
Dec 24 '05 #52
BR
Zif wrote:
In a file called 'whidbey/script.js' they still use document.all
without any fall back to getElementById. Isn't whidbey the code name
for Visual Studio .NET 2005? *Does it use document.all exclusively?

I'm wondering if they meant for that documentation to be read in VS 2005?
Dec 24 '05 #53
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Xah Lee wrote:

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Dec 24 '05 #54
«use bytes; # Larry can take Unicode and shove it up his ass
sideways.
# Perl 5.8.0 causes us to start getting incomprehensible
# errors about UTF-8 all over the place without this.»

From: the source code of WebCollage (1998)
http://www.jwz.org/webcollage/
by Jamie W. Zawinski (~1971-)

The code is 3.4 thousand lines of Perl in one single file. Rather
incomprehensible.

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Dec 27 '05 #55
> What did you expect?

There are two interpretations to this Microsoft's JavaScript doc
problem:

1. They didn't do it intentionally.

2. They did it intentionally.

If (1), then it would be a fucking incompetence of inordinate order. If
(2), they would be assholes, even though they have the right to do so.

On the other hand, in terms of documentation quality, technological
excellence, responsibility in software, Microsoft in the 21st century
is the holder of human progress when compared to the motherfucking Open
Sourcers lying thru their teeth fuckheads.

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/
--------------------------------------
Xah Lee wrote:

sometimes in the last few months, apparently Microsoft made changes to
their JavaScript documentation website:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ary/en-us/scri...
so that, one has to goddamn press the "expand" button to view the
documentation, for every goddamn page.

What the fuck is going on?

And, good url before the change are now broken (giving HTTP error 404).

Many of the newfangled buttons such as "Copy Code" doesn't goddamn work

in Safari, FireFox, iCab, Mac IE.

And, in any of these browsers, the code examples becomes single
congested block without any line breaks. e.g.

«Circle.prototype.pi = Math.PI; function ACirclesArea () { return
this.pi * this.r * this.r; // The formula for the area of a circle is
r<SUP>2</SUP>. } Circle.prototype.area = ACirclesArea; // The function
that calculates the area of a circle is now a method of the Circle
Prototype object. var a = ACircle.area(); // This is how you would
invoke the area function on a Circle object.»

Dec 27 '05 #56
In comp.lang.perl.misc Xah Lee <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote:
If (1), then it would be a fucking incompetence of inordinate order. If


Have you ever thought that your cross-postings are "incompetence
of inordinate order"?

Of course not since you are a troll.

Axel

Dec 28 '05 #57
Sometimes you want your text to flow into multiple columns, as in
newspaper's layout. However, as of 2005-12 this is not yet possible.
One can make-do by hard-coding it into HTML TABLE using multiple
columns. It is a pain because when you change your text, you have to
manually cut and paste to justify each and every columns by
trial-n-error.

A proposed solution is in CSS3 “Multi-column layout”, drafted in
2001 but not yet in any mainstream browsers as of 2005-12. See
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-multicol-20010118/

With all the whizbang of styles and features in CSS2, a basic,
necessary, functional layout feature as multi-columns is not there yet.
This is a indication of the fatuousness of the IT industry's
technologies and its people.

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

--------------------------------------
Xah Lee wrote:

sometimes in the last few months, apparently Microsoft made changes to
their JavaScript documentation website:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...bfe2330aa9.asp

so that, one has to goddamn press the "expand" button to view the
documentation, for every goddamn page.

What the fuck is going on?

And, good url before the change are now broken (giving HTTP error 404).

Many of the newfangled buttons such as "Copy Code" doesn't goddamn work

in Safari, FireFox, iCab, Mac IE.

And, in any of these browsers, the code examples becomes single
congested block without any line breaks. e.g.

«Circle.prototype.pi = Math.PI; function ACirclesArea () { return
this.pi * this.r * this.r; // The formula for the area of a circle is
r<SUP>2</SUP>. } Circle.prototype.area = ACirclesArea; // The function
that calculates the area of a circle is now a method of the Circle
Prototype object. var a = ACircle.area(); // This is how you would
invoke the area function on a Circle object.»
There are two interpretations to this Microsoft's JavaScript doc
problem:

1. They didn't do it intentionally.

2. They did it intentionally.

If (1), then it would be a fucking incompetence of inordinate order. If
(2), they would be assholes, even though they have the right to do so.

On the other hand, in terms of documentation quality, technological
excellence, responsibility in software, Microsoft in the 21st century
is the holder of human progress when compared to the motherfucking Open
Sourcers lying thru their teeth fuckheads.

Dec 30 '05 #58
Sometimes you want your text to flow into multiple columns, as in
newspaper's layout. However, as of 2005-12 this is not yet possible.
One can make-do by hard-coding it into HTML TABLE using multiple
columns. It is a pain because when you change your text, you have to
manually cut and paste to justify each and every columns by
trial-n-error.

A proposed solution is in CSS3 “Multi-column layout”, drafted in
2001 but not yet in any mainstream browsers as of 2005-12. See
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-multicol-20010118/

With all the whizbang of styles and features in CSS2, a basic,
necessary, functional layout feature as multi-columns is not there yet.
This is a indication of the fatuousness of the IT industry's
technologies and its people.

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

--------------------------------------
Xah Lee wrote:

sometimes in the last few months, apparently Microsoft made changes to
their JavaScript documentation website:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...bfe2330aa9.asp

so that, one has to goddamn press the "expand" button to view the
documentation, for every goddamn page.

What the fuck is going on?

And, good url before the change are now broken (giving HTTP error 404).

Many of the newfangled buttons such as "Copy Code" doesn't goddamn work

in Safari, FireFox, iCab, Mac IE.

And, in any of these browsers, the code examples becomes single
congested block without any line breaks. e.g.

«Circle.prototype.pi = Math.PI; function ACirclesArea () { return
this.pi * this.r * this.r; // The formula for the area of a circle is
r<SUP>2</SUP>. } Circle.prototype.area = ACirclesArea; // The function
that calculates the area of a circle is now a method of the Circle
Prototype object. var a = ACircle.area(); // This is how you would
invoke the area function on a Circle object.»
There are two interpretations to this Microsoft's JavaScript doc
problem:

1. They didn't do it intentionally.

2. They did it intentionally.

If (1), then it would be a fucking incompetence of inordinate order. If
(2), they would be assholes, even though they have the right to do so.

On the other hand, in terms of documentation quality, technological
excellence, responsibility in software, Microsoft in the 21st century
is the holder of human progress when compared to the motherfucking Open
Sourcers lying thru their teeth fuckheads.

Dec 30 '05 #59
On 30/12/2005 16:45, Xah Lee wrote:

[Follow-ups trimmed to c.i.w.a.stylesheets]

[snip]
A proposed solution is in CSS3 “Multi-column layout”, drafted in
2001 but not yet in any mainstream browsers as of 2005-12.


Quite rightly so, in my opinion. The Multi-column layout module is
currently a working draft and, as I recall, a relatively vague one at
that. It would be rather foolish to produce anything but a
proof-of-concept implementation until its various aspects are finalised.

[Aside]
If I remember correctly, Mozilla implemented the W3C DOM Level 3 Events
module, which introduced a keyboard event type (KeyEvent). In a later
revision, this interface name was replaced with TextEvent. Later on, a
similarly named interface (KeyboardEvent) was introduced, focusing
specifically on low-level keyboard events. These radical changes
wouldn't mean very much had Mozilla waited.

The DOM Level 3 Events module has been a Working Group Note since
November 2003. This probably marks the end of its development.
[/Aside]

[snip]

Mike

--
Michael Winter
Prefix subject with [News] before replying by e-mail.
Dec 30 '05 #60
"Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> writes:
Sometimes you want your text to flow into multiple columns, as in
newspaper's layout. However, as of 2005-12 this is not yet possible.
One can make-do by hard-coding it into HTML TABLE using multiple
columns. It is a pain because when you change your text, you have to
manually cut and paste to justify each and every columns by
trial-n-error.

A proposed solution is in CSS3 “Multi-column layout”, drafted in
2001 but not yet in any mainstream browsers as of 2005-12. See
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-multicol-20010118/

With all the whizbang of styles and features in CSS2, a basic,
necessary, functional layout feature as multi-columns is not there yet.
This is a indication of the fatuousness of the IT industry's
technologies and its people.


In general, the IT industry doesn't address the needs of the Neandertals.

If you want a narrow column, you just reduce the size of your window!

--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/

"You question the worthiness of my code? I should kill you where you
stand!"
Dec 30 '05 #61
[followups to comp.infosystems.www.authoring stylesheets, since that's
the only newsgroup the OP addressed where this is relevant (LISP?? what
was he thinking?]

Xah Lee wrote:
Sometimes you want your text to flow into multiple columns, as in
newspaper's layout. However, as of 2005-12 this is not yet possible.
One can make-do by hard-coding it into HTML TABLE using multiple
columns. It is a pain because when you change your text, you have to
manually cut and paste to justify each and every columns by
trial-n-error.
It's also pointless since that balances the text only in *your* browser,
using your settings. It will look unbalanced in other people's browsers.

A proposed solution is in CSS3 “Multi-column layout”, drafted in
2001 but not yet in any mainstream browsers as of 2005-12. See
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-multicol-20010118/

With all the whizbang of styles and features in CSS2, a basic,
necessary, functional layout feature as multi-columns is not there yet.
This is a indication of the fatuousness of the IT industry's
technologies and its people.


It isn't either basic or (obviously, since the world is still turning
after all these years without it) necessary.
Dec 30 '05 #62

Xah Lee wrote:
i had the pleasure to read the PHP's manual today.

http://www.php.net/manual/en/

although Pretty Home Page is another criminal hack of the unix lineage,
but if we are here to judge the quality of its documentation, it is a
impeccability.

it has or possesses properties of:

To the point and useful.

PHP has its roots in mundaness, like Perl and Apache. Its doc being
practicality oriented isn't a surprise, as are the docs of Perl and
Apache.

Extreme clarity!

The doc is extremely well-written. The authors's writing skills
shows, that they can present their ideas clearly, and also that they
have put thoughts into what they wanted to say.

Ample usage examples.

As with Perl's doc, PHP doc is not afraid to show example snippets,
yet not abuse it as if simply slapping on examples in lieu of proper
spec or discussion.

Appropriate functions or keywords are interlinked.

This aspect is also well done in other quality docs, such as
Mathematica, Java, MS JScript, Perl's official docs.

No abuse of jargons.

In fact, it's so well written that there's almost no jargons in its
docs, yet conveys its intentions to a tee. This aspect can also be seen
in Mathematica's doc, or Microsoft's JScript doc, for examples.

No author masturbation. (if fact, you won't see a first-person
perspective, as is the case with most quality tech writing.)

We must truely appreciate the authors of the PHP doc. Because, PHP, as
a free shit in the unix shit culture, with extreme ties to Perl and
Apache (both of which has extremely motherfucked docs), but can wean
itself from a shit milieu and stand pure and clean to become a paragon
of technical writing.


--- original Sat Dec 31 11:44:54 2005
+++ corrected Sat Dec 31 11:56:59 2005
@@ -1,28 +1,28 @@
-i had the pleasure to read the PHP's manual today.
+I had the pleasure to read the PHP's manual today.

http://www.php.net/manual/en/

-although Pretty Home Page is another criminal hack of the unix
lineage,
-but if we are here to judge the quality of its documentation, it is a
+Although Pretty Home Page is another criminal hack of the unix
lineage,
+if we are here to judge the quality of its documentation, it is an
impeccability.

-it has or possesses properties of:
+It has or possesses properties of:

- To the point and useful.

PHP has its roots in mundaness, like Perl and Apache. Its doc being
-practicality oriented isn't a surprise, as are the docs of Perl and
+practicality-oriented isn't a surprise; so are the docs of Perl and
Apache.

- Extreme clarity!

The doc is extremely well-written. The authors's writing skills
-shows, that they can present their ideas clearly, and also that they
-have put thoughts into what they wanted to say.
+show, they can present their ideas clearly, and they
+have put thought into what they wanted to say.

- Ample usage examples.

- As with Perl's doc, PHP doc is not afraid to show example snippets,
+ As with Perl's doc, PHP's doc is not afraid to show example
snippets,
yet not abuse it as if simply slapping on examples in lieu of proper
spec or discussion.

@@ -31,18 +31,18 @@
This aspect is also well done in other quality docs, such as
Mathematica, Java, MS JScript, Perl's official docs.

-- No abuse of jargons.
+- No abuse of jargon.

- In fact, it's so well written that there's almost no jargons in its
-docs, yet conveys its intentions to a tee. This aspect can also be
seen
+ In fact, it's so well written that there's almost no jargon in its
+docs, yet it conveys its intentions to a tee. This aspect can also be
seen
in Mathematica's doc, or Microsoft's JScript doc, for examples.

-- No author masturbation. (if fact, you won't see a first-person
+- No author masturbation. (In fact, you won't see a first-person
perspective, as is the case with most quality tech writing.)

-We must truely appreciate the authors of the PHP doc. Because, PHP, as
+We must truly appreciate the authors of the PHP doc. Because PHP, as
a free shit in the unix shit culture, with extreme ties to Perl and
-Apache (both of which has extremely motherfucked docs), but can wean
+Apache (both of which have extremely motherfucked docs), can wean
itself from a shit milieu and stand pure and clean to become a paragon
of technical writing.

HTH

--
Brad

Dec 31 '05 #63
Xah Lee wrote:
With all the whizbang of styles and features in CSS2, a basic,
necessary, functional layout feature as multi-columns is not there yet.
This is a indication of the fatuousness of the IT industry's
technologies and its people.


No, this is an indication of what happens to an industry paralyzed by
organized crime and a corrupt government.

Microsoft delendum est.

--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
Jan 1 '06 #64
The Bug-Reporting Attitude

Xah Lee, 2005-02, 2006-01

People,

There is a common behavior among people in software geek forums, that
whenever a software is crashing or behaving badly, they respond by
“go file a bug report” as if it is the duty of software consumers.

When a software is ostensibly incorrect, and if it is likely in
connection to egregious irresponsibility as most software companies are
thru their irresponsible licensing, the thing one should not do is to
fawn up to their ass as in filing a bug report, and that is also the
least effective in correcting the software.

The common attitude of bug-reporting is one reason that contributed to
the tremendous egregious irresponsible fuckups in computer software
industry that each of us have to endure daily all the time. (e.g.
software A clashed, software B can't do this, C can't do that, D i
don't know how to use, E download location broken, F i need to join
discussion group to find a work-around, G is all pretty and
dysfunctional... )

When a software is ostensibly incorrect and when the organization
behind it is irresponsible with its licensing, the most effective and
moral attitude is to do legal harm to the legal entity. This one can do
by filing a law suit or spreading the fact. Filing a law suit is
appropriate in severe and serious cases, and provided you have such
devotion to the cause. For most cases, we should just spread the fact.
When the organization sees facts flying about its incompetence or
irresponsibility, it will immediately mend the problem source, or cease
to exist.

Another harm sprang from the fucking bug-reporting attitude rampant
among IT morons is the multiplication of pop-ups that bug users for
bug-reporting, complete with their privacy legalese infomercial
intrusion.

2006-01 Addendum

• In early 2005 or late 2004, OS X's Safari browser contains a button
on the top right that is use to send bugs to Apple. As late as 2006-01
in Safari 2.0.2, one can turn on the send bug button by right clicking
on the toolbar. (screenshot).

• In about 2004-2005, every Mac OS X's tool bar has a Quality
Feedback button for user to report problems and suggestions to Apple.
Mac fanatics are fanatical about reporting bugs back to Apple.

• In 2004-2005, the Adium multi-chat client for OS X will popup a
dialogue box whenever it crashes, and ask the user whether if he wishes
to report the bug.

• In 2005, Microsoft Windows XP will popup a dialogue box when a
program crashed, and will ask the user about whether she want to report
it back to Microsoft.

• In 2005, the Open Sourced Netscape/FireFox browser will auto-start
a separate bug-report program whenever it crashed, and will bother the
user about whether to report the bug.

Much of these harassment come with technical notices and or privacy
legalese, that assures the user nothing personal is being sent or
collected. Some will also contain an option to turn this
user-contribution auto-solicitation off for good, but not all.

These bug-reporting phenomenon didn't start until early 21st century.
Such direct user intrusion was unknown or unthinkable in 1990s. Part of
the reason of their rise can be attributed by a few factors: (1) the
mainstreaming of the internet. (2) The collectivism and fanaticism
ushered by Open Sourcers. (3) The fanaticism ushered by Mac fanatics.
Group (2) and (3) are largely incompatible, but each lives in their
utopian vision.

----------------
This post is archived at:
http://www.xahlee.org/UnixResource_d..._attitude.html

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Jan 2 '06 #66
On 2 Jan 2006 13:16:26 -0800, "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote:
The Bug-Reporting Attitude

Xah Lee, 2005-02, 2006-01

People,

There is a common behavior among people in software geek forums, that
whenever a software is crashing or behaving badly, they respond by
go file a bug report as if it is the duty of software consumers.
"software" found 3 x
When a software is ostensibly incorrect, and if it is likely in
connection to egregious irresponsibility as most software companies are
thru their irresponsible licensing, the thing one should not do is to
fawn up to their ass as in filing a bug report, and that is also the
least effective in correcting the software.
"software" 3x ... "companies" 1 x
The common attitude of bug-reporting is one reason that contributed to
the tremendous egregious irresponsible fuckups in computer software
industry that each of us have to endure daily all the time. (e.g.
software A clashed, software B can't do this, C can't do that, D i
don't know how to use, E download location broken, F i need to join
discussion group to find a work-around, G is all pretty and
dysfunctional... )
"software industry" found 1 x
When a software is ostensibly incorrect and when the organization
behind it is irresponsible with its licensing, the most effective and
moral attitude is to do legal harm to the legal entity. This one can do
by filing a law suit or spreading the fact. Filing a law suit is
appropriate in severe and serious cases, and provided you have such
devotion to the cause. For most cases, we should just spread the fact.
When the organization sees facts flying about its incompetence or
irresponsibility, it will immediately mend the problem source, or cease
to exist.
"software"(1x)..."organization"(2x)
Another harm sprang from the fucking bug-reporting attitude rampant
among IT morons is the multiplication of pop-ups that bug users for
bug-reporting, complete with their privacy legalese infomercial
intrusion.

2006-01 Addendum


Since I work for a software industry, company, organization,
I thought I'd offer my 2 cents here.

The software industry/company/organization are run by
snake-oil salesmen/marketing who discard the programmers as fast
as they do bug reports. Given that, who do you think "cuts" out
the problem parameters for the programmer? Think its a master
problem solver programmer/manager who is not influenced by
marketing? Got a bright programmer who looks at the condition
then at the parameters for the fixes to implement who see's the
fallicy of the fix parameters. Why yes, yes you do. Well why
doesen't he jump up and down in the organization then?

Because his job hangs by a thread, with seasonal layoffs and
outsoursing, lessening pay/benifits, contract status, etc...
Contrary to popular belief the fixer has to research his part
of the code, and is forced to know more than what he is being
tasked to do. The falicy is that he has control of it, he see's
the big picture fopa's but can't do a thing about it.

So you see, when you say "software" so many times, you imply the
programmer is at fault. For simple bugs that may be true, however
in the face of induced snake oil marketing induced CONCEPTUAL ERRORS,
well brother, what have I got to do to just get my next paycheck?

Imagine that software designed by snake-oil salesmaen/marketing,
comercial ad agencies, conceptual designers without proof-of-concept.

In todays world, the word "software" is a mis-nomer. Its not
software anymore, its a concept of some dude on ACID !!!

Any questions?

Jan 3 '06 #67
The Bug-Trolling Attitude

Hax Eel, 2006-01-02

People,

There is a common behavior among people in software geek forums, that
whenever a software is crashing or behaving badly, they respond by writing
stupid essays about it and cross-post it to multiple newsgroups as if it
is the duty of Usenet readers to suffer through their egocentric rantings.

When a troll is full of shit, as is likely in connection to egregious
irresponsibility as most trolls are unable to spell "thru", the thing one
should not do is to fawn up to their ass by responding to their post and
treating their verbal diarrhoea with dignity, as that is the least
effective method in correcting the problem.

The common attitude of responding to trolls is one reason that contributed
to the tremendous egregious irresponsible egotistical arrogant
know-nothing adjective-over-users on Usenet that each of us have to endure
daily all the time.

When a poster is ostensibly incorrect and full of hot-hair about
licensing, the most effective and moral attitude is to do legal harm to
the poster. If you live in lawyer-happy countries like the USA, you
can do this by filing a law suit for mental anguish and emotional distress
against the poster. If you live in the United Kingdom, you can apply for
an Anti-Social Behaviour Order or ASBO. In severe and serious cases, it
may be appropriate to pop a cap in the fucker's arse.

----------------

This post is archived at:
http://www.trolling-for-you.org/Full..._attitude.html

Hax
le********@trolling-for-you.org
http://trolling-for-you.org/

Jan 3 '06 #68
On 2 Jan 2006 13:16:26 -0800, "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote, quoted
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
When a software is ostensibly incorrect, and if it is likely in
connection to egregious irresponsibility as most software companies are
thru their irresponsible licensing, the thing one should not do is to
fawn up to their ass as in filing a bug report, and that is also the
least effective in correcting the software.


I think a lot of us have a problem with you pontificating in such a
grandiose style when you have not first proved you know what you are
talking about with participation in the discussions of day to day
coding problems.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
Jan 3 '06 #69
"Hax Eel" <le********@trolling-for-you.org> wrote in message
news:pa****************************@trolling-for-you.org...
The Bug-Trolling Attitude

Hax Eel, 2006-01-02

People,

There is a common behavior among people in software geek forums, that
whenever a software is crashing or behaving badly, they respond by writing
stupid essays about it and cross-post it to multiple newsgroups as if it
is the duty of Usenet readers to suffer through their egocentric rantings. ....

This post is archived at:
http://www.trolling-for-you.org/Full..._attitude.html


That link didn't work for me.

{8-o

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")


Jan 3 '06 #70
Roedy Green <my******************************@munged.invalid > wrote:
On 2 Jan 2006 13:16:26 -0800, "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote, quoted
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
When a software is ostensibly incorrect, and if it is likely in
connection to egregious irresponsibility as most software companies are
thru their irresponsible licensing, the thing one should not do is to
fawn up to their ass as in filing a bug report, and that is also the
least effective in correcting the software.


I think a lot of us have a problem with you pontificating in such a
grandiose style when you have not first proved you know what you are
talking about with participation in the discussions of day to day
coding problems.


Xah Lee (1) is a write-only poster who pontificates but never reads
replies, and (2) cares not a whit that the rest of us believe him to be a
moron.

In a sense, I envy him. I hold a number of strong and somewhat
controversial opinions that I hesitate to expose in public, for fear of
being laughed at and labeled as a nutcase. Xah Lee has absolutely no such
fears.
--
- Tim Roberts, ti**@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
Jan 5 '06 #71

"Tim Roberts" <ti**@probo.com> wrote in message
news:9u********************************@4ax.com...

Xah Lee (1) is a write-only poster who pontificates but never reads
replies, and (2) cares not a whit that the rest of us believe him to be a
moron.
I find him offensive, and a pontificator as you said, but I
don't think he is a moron. He has complained about
Python's docs, and that being an interest of mine too,
I visited his website and thought a lot of his criticism's
were spot on. Unfortunately I didn't think his proposed
solutions were very good but that's not surprising, it
is a lot easier to recognize problems than to fix them.
In a sense, I envy him. I hold a number of strong and somewhat
controversial opinions that I hesitate to expose in public, for fear of
being laughed at and labeled as a nutcase. Xah Lee has absolutely no such
fears.


It is easier to do from an anonymous account, although
some people here have said they ignore posts from
posters without a real identity. But my opinion is that
c.l.p is not very receptive to unorthodoxy unless you
are a member of the club (in which case you know
better than to be unorthodox).

Jan 6 '06 #72

"Tim Roberts" <ti**@probo.com> wrote:

Xah Lee (1) is a write-only poster who pontificates but never reads
replies, and (2) cares not a whit that the rest of us believe him to be a
moron.
I find him offensive, and a pontificator as you said, but I
don't think he is a moron. He has complained about
Python's docs, and that being an interest of mine too,
I visited his website and thought a lot of his criticism's
were spot on. Unfortunately I didn't think his proposed
solutions were very good but that's not surprising, it
is a lot easier to recognize problems than to fix them.
In a sense, I envy him. I hold a number of strong and somewhat
controversial opinions that I hesitate to expose in public, for fear of
being laughed at and labeled as a nutcase. Xah Lee has absolutely no such
fears.


It is easier to do from an anonymous account, although
some people here have said they ignore posts from
posters without a real identity. But my opinion is that
c.l.p is not very receptive to unorthodoxy unless you
are a member of the club (in which case you know
better than to be unorthodox).

Jan 6 '06 #73

"Tim Roberts" <ti**@probo.com> wrote:

Xah Lee (1) is a write-only poster who pontificates but never reads
replies, and (2) cares not a whit that the rest of us believe him to be a
moron.
I find him offensive, and a pontificator as you said,
but I don't think he is a moron. He has complained about
Python's docs, and that being an interest of mine too,
I visited his website and thought a lot of his criticism's
were spot on. Unfortunately I didn't think his proposed
solutions were very good but that's not surprising, it
is a lot easier to recognize problems than to fix them.
In a sense, I envy him. I hold a number of strong and somewhat
controversial opinions that I hesitate to expose in public, for fear of
being laughed at and labeled as a nutcase. Xah Lee has absolutely no such
fears.


It is easier to do from an anonymous account, although
some people here have said they ignore posts from
posters without a real identity. But my opinion is that
c.l.p is not very receptive to unorthodoxy unless you
are a member of the club (in which case you know
better than to be unorthodox).

Jan 6 '06 #74
Apoologies for the multiple posts -- please blame Google.

Jan 7 '06 #75
IT Industry Predicament

Xah Lee, 200207

As most of you agree, there are incredible wrongs in software industry.
Programs crash, injurious tools, uninformed programers, and decrepit
education system. Over the years of my computing industry experience
since 1995, i have recently gradually come to realize the cause and
plan a solution. I wanted to write a cohesive account of my thoughts
one day. Here's a quick beginning:

• Most agree that computing industry has lots of problems, including:
extremely poor software quality, poorly qualified programers, and a
strayed education system. One final metric is the quality of today's
software, and consumer's experience with computers.

• In pretty much free market system of America, we can say that
software quality (or software related things) being the way it is is
out of natural selection. In other words: “driven by economy”, or,
a result that evolved naturally from competition.

• This naturally evolved result, does not mean it is the “best”
outcome. Simply put: “outcome” does not mean “desired outcome”.
Think of it this way: the solutions from genetic algorithms arn't best
solutions, but best outcome from a given set of criterions and gene
pool and the coupling environment.

• We can see now that the state of software or industry is not
determined by idiotic and simplistic expectations such as quality of
design or intelligence of programers. How things come to be in society
do not have simplistic explanations, but sensible understanding is not
impossible. In a commercial software world, software's popularity or
trend is determined by the choices consumer makes. How consumer ends up
purchasing a software has a myriad of factors among them awareness, but
most responsible being the price/performance ratio, or just price.
Also, the majority of consumers are morons with respect to evaluating
software for their own good. This is why, the inept and FREE unixes and
Perl and C are everywhere. It is also why, the fucking incompetent
unixes though $free$ but has little place to stand in comparison to a
charging Microsoft when performance also enters the equation. This also
explains, the exorbitantly priced fashion-statement Apple
software/hardware combo are no more populous than those affluent. (not
because some fucking fashionable chant about how
good-things-are-always-unpopular fucking fuck chant loved by vain
above-it geeks.)

• The reason fucking languages like C and family mask technically
superior ones like lisp are in large part due to the unix phenomenon as
explained above. C + Unix, incompetence + irresponsibility
bootstrapping each other $freely$. The unix things teach programers to
unthink. With their greed-based speed-based freely-distributable
popularity-based iconoclastic irresponsibilities spreading like
corruption do.

Solution: Understand and spread the word that writing bug-free software
are not difficult at all, and quality software can be as intuitive as
extra hands. When good programers understand this and catch on, good
software with responsible licenses will emerge. Eventually software
vendors will compete for more responsible software, one's that offer to
be penalized for every bug or crash or misfeature. In turn, this will
eliminate all fucking fashions and idiots in the software industry such
as the Design Patterns and eXtreme Programing or the TIMTOWTDI Perl
fuck or the OOP fad or the fucking “Universal Modeling Language”
fuck.

Do you want software/industry to improve? Everyone want to be
millionaire when asked, but when they have to pay to be a millionaire,
they reconsider.

--
This post is archived at:
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w...edicament.html

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Jan 20 '06 #76
Xah Lee wrote:
• The reason fucking languages like C and family mask technically
Contrary to popular opinion, languages don't multiply. Certainly they
don't have sex. Most (human) languages merely have something called
gender, and words don't interact. C has a bastard child called C++,
true, but that was basically created by genetic manipulation of the
original C, and indeed it's said to be 100% backward-compatible to C.
Solution: Understand and spread the word that writing bug-free software
are not difficult at all, and quality software can be as intuitive as
extra hands. When good programers understand this and catch on, good


Yes, please go ahead. Oh, you said "good programmers." Never mind.

I know, don't feed the troll. Sorry 'bout that.

--
The problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with
when you refuse to apply their effective solutions.
Edsger W. Dijkstra
Jan 20 '06 #77
Xah Lee wrote:
IT Industry Predicament

Xah Lee, 200207

As most of you agree, there are incredible wrongs in software industry.
Programs crash, injurious tools, uninformed programers, and decrepit
education system. Over the years of my computing industry experience
since 1995, i have recently gradually come to realize the cause and
plan a solution. I wanted to write a cohesive account of my thoughts
one day. Here's a quick beginning:

• Most agree that computing industry has lots of problems, including:
extremely poor software quality, poorly qualified programers, and a
strayed education system. One final metric is the quality of today's
software, and consumer's experience with computers.

• In pretty much free market system of America, we can say that
software quality (or software related things) being the way it is is
out of natural selection. In other words: “driven by economy”, or,
a result that evolved naturally from competition.

• This naturally evolved result, does not mean it is the “best”
outcome. Simply put: “outcome” does not mean “desired outcome”.
Think of it this way: the solutions from genetic algorithms arn't best
solutions, but best outcome from a given set of criterions and gene
pool and the coupling environment.
Doing good...

• We can see now that the state of software or industry is not
determined by idiotic and simplistic expectations such as quality of
design or intelligence of programers. How things come to be in society
do not have simplistic explanations, but sensible understanding is not
impossible. In a commercial software world, software's popularity or
trend is determined by the choices consumer makes. How consumer ends up
purchasing a software has a myriad of factors among them awareness, but
most responsible being the price/performance ratio, or just price.
Also, the majority of consumers are morons with respect to evaluating
software for their own good. This is why, the inept and FREE unixes and
Perl and C are everywhere. It is also why, the fucking incompetent
unixes though $free$ but has little place to stand in comparison to a
charging Microsoft when performance also enters the equation. This also
explains, the exorbitantly priced fashion-statement Apple
software/hardware combo are no more populous than those affluent. (not
because some fucking fashionable chant about how
good-things-are-always-unpopular fucking fuck chant loved by vain
above-it geeks.)
I'm sorry, but the $free$ Unixen are actually better operating systems
than Windoze. I didn't switch because I thought it was cool or because
it was free, I switched because Linux crashed less, let me build it how
I wanted, and had loads of free software that actually worked. The
Unixen are the best thing out there right now, but a few of us are
working on (what we hope is) something better instead of just
complaining (kvetching) about it.

I agree about Apple, however.

• The reason fucking languages like C and family mask technically
superior ones like lisp are in large part due to the unix phenomenon as
explained above. C + Unix, incompetence + irresponsibility
bootstrapping each other $freely$. The unix things teach programers to
unthink. With their greed-based speed-based freely-distributable
popularity-based iconoclastic irresponsibilities spreading like
corruption do.
Unix does teach programmers to think in C, that I must admit. I hope
that an operating system based on a better language (I know two which
will prominantly feature Lisp as a systems-programming language, Tin
Gherdanarra's Lisp OS and my Glider) will become popular enough to solve
that issue.

Solution: Understand and spread the word that writing bug-free software
are not difficult at all, and quality software can be as intuitive as
extra hands. When good programers understand this and catch on, good
software with responsible licenses will emerge. Eventually software
vendors will compete for more responsible software, one's that offer to
be penalized for every bug or crash or misfeature. In turn, this will
eliminate all fucking fashions and idiots in the software industry such
as the Design Patterns and eXtreme Programing or the TIMTOWTDI Perl
fuck or the OOP fad or the fucking “Universal Modeling Language”
fuck.


So the solution is to understand and spread the word that the problem is
unneccessary? Feh! Try something that will actually get the code
monkeys writing better stuff!
Jan 20 '06 #78
"Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> writes:
[the usual]

___________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do |
/ O O\__ NOT |
/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ trolls |
/ _ \ \ ______________|
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ \ __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

--
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San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.
Jan 20 '06 #79
Ulrich Hobelmann <u.*********@web.de> wrote:
[ snip bait ]
I know, don't feed the troll. Sorry 'bout that.


To quote Space Balls:

"Don't be sorry, be *quiet*!" :)

Cheers,
Tim Hammerquist
Jan 22 '06 #80
On Friday 20 January 2006 15:42, Keith Thompson wrote:
"Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org> writes:
[the usual]

___________________
/| /| | |

||__|| | Please do |

/ O O\__ NOT |
/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ trolls |


But it gave us something to laugh at... : ) The guy is outright FUNNY! Well,
yes in a naive dumb sort of way, but still, a good laugh!

--

Steve
Jan 23 '06 #81
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names

excerpt:
«
In computing, on the X Window System, X11 color names are represented
in a simple text file, which maps certain strings to RGB color values.
It is shipped with every X11 installation, hence the name, and is
usually located in <X11root>/lib/rgb.txt.

It is not known who originally compiled the list. The list shows
neither a continuity in selected color values nor in color names (for
example, darkgray but lightgrey), and many color triplets have multiple
names. Despite this, graphic designers and others got used to them
making it practically impossible to introduce a more stringent and
logical alias list.
»

Fuck the unix mother fuckers.
-----
See also: Responsible Software Licensing
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w...e_license.html

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Feb 8 '06 #82
Xah Lee wrote:
usually located in <X11root>/lib/rgb.txt.
on AIX and Linux (SuSE 9.3) the file is in <X11root>/lib/X11/rgb.txt
neither a continuity in selected color values nor in color names (for
example, darkgray but lightgrey)


On AIX and Linux (SuSE 9.3) each color name which contains "gray" is
also aliased as "grey" for the benefit of both Yanks and Brits. Thus,
I have:

211 211 211 LightGrey
211 211 211 LightGray

169 169 169 DarkGrey
169 169 169 DarkGray

I'm curious what UNIX system does not dual-spell this color? (neutral,
actually; gray is not a color). I thought these color (neutral) names
were dual-homed on all reasonably modern UN*X systems.

--
http://DavidFilmer.com

Feb 8 '06 #83
So why don't you use Windows XP then? It's just like what you are using
now, but even more awesome!

Feb 8 '06 #84
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Xah Lee wrote:

More of his usual bollocks.

___________________
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||__|| | Please do |
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/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ trolls |
/ _ \ \ ______________|
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ \ __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

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Feb 8 '06 #85

us****@DavidFilmer.com wrote:
On AIX and Linux (SuSE 9.3) each color name which contains "gray" is
also aliased as "grey" for the benefit of both Yanks and Brits. Thus,


Yankee, n. In Europe, an American. In the Northern States of
our Union, a New Englander. In the Southern States the word is
unknown. (See DAMYANK.)

Feb 8 '06 #86
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not
accountable. So, lots fuckhead morons in the IT industry will shout
about their opinions on society and technology such as for example
“Microsoft will fall within a decade” or “linux will rule”, or
some technology issues such as “singularity”. But the problem is,
any moron can sound big when there's no accountability associated with
their cries. This website, at least makes it possible to do accountable
opinions. (in the form of mandatory monetary donations) But i really
wished for a mechanism, so that any fuckhead tech geekers with their
loud cries will hurt badly when they open their mouths in public with
wantonness.

For more info about the longbets.org site, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Now_Foundation

Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

Feb 14 '06 #87
Xah Lee wrote:
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not

[...]

OMG, he's back.

I predict, Xah will haunt us for years to come.

--
Suffering from Gates-induced brain leakage...
Feb 14 '06 #88
Xah Lee <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
...a mechanism, so that any fuckhead tech geekers with their
loud cries will hurt badly when they open their mouths in public...


Yeah, good idea!

Anno
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Feb 14 '06 #89
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:33:49 +0100, Xah Lee <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote:
i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not
accountable. So, lots fuckhead morons in the IT industry will shout
... <more obscene language>


Fine, I will hold you accountable for what you said abot IT security
two weeks ago. Let's see 'By switching from C to a high level
language like Lisp all security problems go away, it's that simple.'
Look up 'insertion attack' Then eat SOAP.

lol

--
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Feb 14 '06 #90
Xah Lee wrote:
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

I predict Xah Lee will remain as clueless as he currently is.

regards
Steve
--
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Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com
PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/

Feb 14 '06 #91
Ulrich Hobelmann wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not


[...]

OMG, he's back.

I predict, Xah will haunt us for years to come.


WTF is wrong with Xah? He posts an occasional article in good faith and
leaves it at that. ignoring the insults that follow.

In the end we have one good-faith article and a bunch of personal
attacks from a Usenet chorus of self-appointed finger-shakers creating
more pollution than he ever did.

If only some of the people castigating Xah for daring to use Usenet
would post as rarely as he, and show as much restraint.

ken
Feb 15 '06 #92
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:59:19 GMT, Kenny Tilton
<NO***********@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Ulrich Hobelmann wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not
[...]

OMG, he's back.

I predict, Xah will haunt us for years to come.


WTF is wrong with Xah? He posts an occasional article in good faith and
leaves it at that. ignoring the insults that follow.


Apparently you've never actually read one of his articles.
In the end we have one good-faith article and a bunch of personal
attacks from a Usenet chorus of self-appointed finger-shakers creating
more pollution than he ever did.

If only some of the people castigating Xah for daring to use Usenet
would post as rarely as he, and show as much restraint.

Restraint? Now I know you haven't read it.

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
Feb 15 '06 #93
Kenny Tilton <NO***********@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
If only some of the people castigating Xah


you misspelled castrated

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Feb 15 '06 #94
Al Balmer wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:59:19 GMT, Kenny Tilton
<NO***********@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Ulrich Hobelmann wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
here's a site: http://www.longbets.org/bets that takes socially
important predictions. I might have to enter one or two.

i longed for such a accountable predictions for a long time. Usually,
some fucking fart will do predictions, but the problem is that it's not

[...]

OMG, he's back.

I predict, Xah will haunt us for years to come.

WTF is wrong with Xah? He posts an occasional article in good faith and
leaves it at that. ignoring the insults that follow.

Apparently you've never actually read one of his articles.


Have you read his web page? Like I did? Get back to me after you come up
to speed on Xah.
In the end we have one good-faith article and a bunch of personal
attacks from a Usenet chorus of self-appointed finger-shakers creating
more pollution than he ever did.

If only some of the people castigating Xah for daring to use Usenet
would post as rarely as he, and show as much restraint.


Restraint? Now I know you haven't read it.


<g> Note that I was not endorsing the content.

The restraint I was talking about was in ignoring you. If you and
everyone else ignored his articles there would not be this thread. Which
is not being dragged out by Xah.

You all dis Xah, yet he is larger than you: you cannot resist heaping
abuse on him. If you could, his articles would appear and disappear
without leaving a trace. Instead we get people with half his wit making
lame attempts at witty put-downs, embarrassing only themselves.

Xah acknowledges his problem, you clowns do not even know you have one.

kenny
Feb 15 '06 #95
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:55:33 GMT, Kenny Tilton
<NO***********@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Apparently you've never actually read one of his articles.


Have you read his web page? Like I did? Get back to me after you come up
to speed on Xah.


Given the aspect he presents on Usenet, why on earth would I want to
go to his web page?

Why should I want to "come up to speed" on him? I have him filtered,
have for a long time, and I can understand that it would be better if
everyone filtered or ignored him, but I don't see posted complaints
about him being any worse than your complaints about the complainers.
I have no idea why anyone would defend such inane, worthless,
obscenity-laced articles.

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
Feb 15 '06 #96
Al Balmer <al******@att.net> wrote:
have for a long time, and I can understand that it would be better if
everyone filtered or ignored him,


The best would be if everybody instead of posting replies would complain
to his ISP and Usenet provider. Xah is a major and offensive troll. Those
only stop when you make their accounts go faster then they can find new
ones. I know people who have wasted quite some money, each time more and
more to keep on trolling. In the end, some see how much it's going to cost
to post just another message or they end up in a cancelbot or 2, and are
kicked off some major news servers.

--
John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
I ploink googlegroups.com :-)

Feb 15 '06 #97
John Bokma wrote:
Al Balmer <al******@att.net> wrote:
have for a long time, and I can understand that it would be better if
everyone filtered or ignored him,


The best would be if everybody instead of posting replies would complain
to his ISP and Usenet provider. Xah is a major and offensive troll. Those
only stop when you make their accounts go faster then they can find new
ones. I know people who have wasted quite some money, each time more and
more to keep on trolling. In the end, some see how much it's going to cost
to post just another message or they end up in a cancelbot or 2, and are
kicked off some major news servers.


According to his web site, Xah lives in a car, and probably uses some
free wi-fi, so don't waste your time. Secondly, Xah is not a troll. If
you actually look at his web site, you'll realize that he's deviant
(Xah has naked pictures of himself online, and pictures of a pregnant
prostitute he's proud of meeting - if it's not obvious enough) If you
are disturbed by Xah's messages, but are unwilling to pay for
psychiatric help for him, perhaps it's best to just ignore him?

Feb 15 '06 #98
Anno Siegel wrote:
Xah Lee <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:

...a mechanism, so that any fuckhead tech geekers with their
loud cries will hurt badly when they open their mouths in public...
In this above I hear the voice of someone badly disappointed seeking an
apology and excuse for being in that condition in the world around and
not inside himself.
My guess from the experience of being, as Usenet newbie, first a victim
of Xah trolls and from the experience of watching Xah activities over
currently more than one year, is that:
The turning point, when one could start to be like Xah is, when
suddenly for oneself some simple truths which has not been recognized
for so long before, get revealed before the inner mental eye.
One finds himself in a situation where own past stupidity becomes so
apparent, that it is hard to accept this fact as it is. The ways to
manage such condition can be very different. One of the possibilities is
to look for the 'outside' reasons and make them responsible for the
misery. There was, is and will be always enough idiocy around, disguised
as by many people fully accepted absolute truths, which can be made
guilty of keeping a believing them individual relatively stupid for a
very long time (or even forever).
The revelation of the simply fact, that one was 'cheated' for so long by
from the just achieved point of view as impertinent insulting and
stupid considered authorities without being able to see it directly
already in the past, hurts so much, that it results in strong emotional
reaction manifestating itself often also in using many dirty words. It
almost appears in this context, that the past ignorance could be
considered a blessing ...
After the first caused by the above effect deep depressions has been
overcome, it can happen, that one starts to hope to manage the misery by
getting in touch with others to share the just reached level of
enlightenment in order to progress towards getting rid of eventually
still existing remaining wrong believes.
The result of this approach can be the experience, that there is as good
as none to oneself meaningful response and instead of being understood
one is accused of trolling.
At that point two aspects important in someones life can start to
compete against each other:
the accumulated experience and insight, that it makes not much sense
to ask the most important to oneself questions publicly
and
the need for staying in active relationship and mental exchange with
others.
The outcome of such battle can be, that the only way out of this dilemma
is to actually start to troll to get some fun out of the responses and
to get the feeling of having impact on others.
There are sure many other ways to manage the situation of becoming
smarter than before and of staying in contact with many others - Xah has
chosen to become a troll as one of the most easy variant out of them. I
hope, that one day, he stops to misjudge own level of enlightenment and
starts to gain satisfaction out of searching for an also for another
people valuable way out of the misery his intellect is trapped in
instead of continuing his mostly trolling motivated postings.

By the way: I found _this_ posting by Xah very interesting and even if
maybe not at first glance noticeable, very close related to what is all
the time and continuously hot discussed in the programming related
newsgroups.

I don't expect Xah to read and reply to this posting, but in spite of
this, I would be glad to hear from him here, how my guess is close to
his actual motivation.


Yeah, good idea! Sure it would be very interesting to see the bets and the reasoning
behind the pro and contra.

Claudio
Anno

Feb 16 '06 #99
Claudio Grondi wrote:
Anno Siegel wrote:
Xah Lee <xa*@xahlee.org> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:

...a mechanism, so that any fuckhead tech geekers with their
loud cries will hurt badly when they open their mouths in public... In this above I hear the voice of someone badly disappointed seeking an
apology and excuse for being in that condition in the world around and

[snip crud]
Yeah, good idea!

Sure it would be very interesting to see the bets and the reasoning
behind the pro and contra.

Claudio

Anno


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