Dr. Dobb's Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Dec 2)

[Cameron Laird]

QOTW: "... why does Microsoft try so hard to protect its sources?"
"To avoid embarrassment." -- Peter Maas and Grant Edwards
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...599152d8b23b54

"Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistinguishable from
malice." -- Alex Martelli
2.4 is final, buildable under Windows in at least a couple
of ways, improved, ...
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/...es/001657.html

asyncore, Twisted, the Python core...--do you understand how
they relate to TLS, serial-port usage, GUI-oriented event
processing, and so on?
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=752ebdb8b57fa3f3

Ian Bicking and others describe the meaning of "Python 3000".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...9b6a3959888f2b

Reading without blocking is possible--with care.
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...654cfc06d2fbbe

Josiah Carlson and Paul McGuire explain decorators.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=5bfb80b43887bc1f

Nick Coghlan knows sick ways to spell "file".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

Python works in Frontier.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0100039/2004/11/30.html#a626
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Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in
these pages:

Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional
center of Pythonia
http://www.python.org
Notice especially the master FAQ
http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html

PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the
marvelous daily python url
http://www.pythonware.com/daily
Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new)
World-Wide Web articles related to Python.
http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html
While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL
are utterly different in their technologies and generally in
their results.

comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software. Be
sure to scan this newsgroup weekly.
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=d...ython.announce

Brett Cannon continues the marvelous tradition established by
Andrew Kuchling and Michael Hudson of intelligently summarizing
action on the python-dev mailing list once every other week.
http://www.python.org/dev/summary/

The Python Package Index catalogues packages.
http://www.python.org/pypi/

The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references
to all sorts of Python resources.
http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/

Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group
mailing lists
http://www.python.org/sigs/

The Python Business Forum "further[s] the interests of companies
that base their business on ... Python."
http://www.python-in-business.org

Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line
match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're
subject with a vision of what the language makes practical.
http://www.pythonology.com/success

The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python
Consortium as an independent nexus of activity. It has official
responsibility for Python's development and maintenance.
http://www.python.org/psf/
Among the ways you can support PSF is with a donation.
http://www.python.org/psf/donate.html

Kurt B. Kaiser publishes a weekly report on faults and patches.
http://www.google.com/groups?as_usub...python%20patch

Cetus collects Python hyperlinks.
http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_python.html

Python FAQTS
http://python.faqts.com/

The Cookbook is a collaborative effort to capture useful and
interesting recipes.
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python

Among several Python-oriented RSS/RDF feeds available are
http://www.python.org/channews.rdf
http://bootleg-rss.g-blog.net/pythonware_com_daily.pcgi
http://python.de/backend.php
For more, see
http://www.syndic8.com/feedlist.php?...ShowStatus=all
The old Python "To-Do List" now lives principally in a
SourceForge reincarnation.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid...70&func=browse
http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0042.html

The online Python Journal is posted at pythonjournal.cognizor.com.
ed****@pythonjournal.com and ed****@pythonjournal.cognizor.com
welcome submission of material that helps people's understanding
of Python use, and offer Web presentation of your work.

*Py: the Journal of the Python Language*
http://www.pyzine.com

Archive probing tricks of the trade:
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=d...python&num=100
http://groups.google.com/groups?meta....lang.python.*

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[Robin Becker]

Cameron Laird wrote:

QOTW: "... why does Microsoft try so hard to protect its sources?" ......
2.4 is final, buildable under Windows in at least a couple
of ways, improved, ...
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/...es/001657.html

asyncore, Twisted, the Python core...--do you understand how
they relate to TLS, serial-port usage, GUI-oriented event
processing, and so on?
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=752ebdb8b57fa3f3

Ian Bicking and others describe the meaning of "Python 3000".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...9b6a3959888f2b

Reading without blocking is possible--with care.
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...654cfc06d2fbbe

Josiah Carlson and Paul McGuire explain decorators.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=5bfb80b43887bc1f

Nick Coghlan knows sick ways to spell "file".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

Python works in Frontier.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0100039/2004/11/30.html#a626

........

For some reason I can't seem to make use of the google links. When I use
the above eg

http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

I get a not found google page with url
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...62a771d1c827c9

really wanted to spell file in a sickly manner :)

Dr. Dobb's Journal (http://www.ddj.com) is pleased to participate in and
sponsor the "Python-URL!" project.

--
Robin Becker

[David Fraser]

Robin Becker wrote:

Cameron Laird wrote:

QOTW: "... why does Microsoft try so hard to protect its sources?"

.....

2.4 is final, buildable under Windows in at least a couple of
ways, improved, ...
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/...es/001657.html

asyncore, Twisted, the Python core...--do you understand how
they relate to TLS, serial-port usage, GUI-oriented event
processing, and so on?
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=752ebdb8b57fa3f3

Ian Bicking and others describe the meaning of "Python 3000".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...9b6a3959888f2b

Reading without blocking is possible--with care.
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...654cfc06d2fbbe

Josiah Carlson and Paul McGuire explain decorators.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=5bfb80b43887bc1f

Nick Coghlan knows sick ways to spell "file".
http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

Python works in Frontier.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0100039/2004/11/30.html#a626

.......

For some reason I can't seem to make use of the google links. When I use
the above eg

http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

I get a not found google page with url
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...62a771d1c827c9

really wanted to spell file in a sickly manner :)

Apparently this is due to a Google "upgrade"
See the slashdot story:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...tid=217&tid=95

The important thing is that you (or I) can still access them at
groups.google.co.uk:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?fr...62a771d1c827c9

etc

Maybe the URLs on the web page could be adjusted?

David

[Rocco Moretti]

For some reason I can't seem to make use of the google links. When I use
the above eg

http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

I get a not found google page with url
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...62a771d1c827c9

really wanted to spell file in a sickly manner :)

It seems Google recently redid their groups interface. By searching for
"group:comp.lang.python Coghlan" on http://groups.google.com, I was able
to find the probable post (Sort by Date, titled "Restricted Execution on
the cheap", about four down)

I'm sorry I'm not able to give a direct URL, but it seems they've
switched over to a horrendously long, stateful URL system which doesn't
lend itself to direct linkage.

[David Fraser]

Rocco Moretti wrote:

For some reason I can't seem to make use of the google links. When I
use the above eg

http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

I get a not found google page with url
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...62a771d1c827c9

really wanted to spell file in a sickly manner :)

It seems Google recently redid their groups interface. By searching for
"group:comp.lang.python Coghlan" on http://groups.google.com, I was able
to find the probable post (Sort by Date, titled "Restricted Execution on
the cheap", about four down)

Nicely, google seems to have reverted their main google groups page to
the original system, and left the new one at groups-beta.google.com
I'm sorry I'm not able to give a direct URL, but it seems they've
switched over to a horrendously long, stateful URL system which doesn't
lend itself to direct linkage.

Doesn't seem stateful to me, just has different thread / message ids to
the old system:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd

The syntax is thread/$threadid/$messageid#$messageid
At least for me, these URLs are transferable between computers / browsers

You can also access the message directly:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd

David

[David Fraser]

Rocco Moretti wrote:

For some reason I can't seem to make use of the google links. When I
use the above eg

http://groups.google.com/groups?fram...62a771d1c827c9

I get a not found google page with url
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...62a771d1c827c9

really wanted to spell file in a sickly manner :)

It seems Google recently redid their groups interface. By searching for
"group:comp.lang.python Coghlan" on http://groups.google.com, I was able
to find the probable post (Sort by Date, titled "Restricted Execution on
the cheap", about four down)

Nicely, google seems to have reverted their main google groups page to
the original system, and left the new one at groups-beta.google.com
I'm sorry I'm not able to give a direct URL, but it seems they've
switched over to a horrendously long, stateful URL system which doesn't
lend itself to direct linkage.

Doesn't seem stateful to me, just has different thread / message ids to
the old system:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd

The syntax is thread/$threadid/$messageid#$messageid
At least for me, these URLs are transferable between computers / browsers

You can also access the message directly:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd

David

[chriskreuzer]

David Fraser wrote:

Rocco Moretti wrote:
<snip>

I'm sorry I'm not able to give a direct URL, but it seems they've
switched over to a horrendously long, stateful URL system which doesn't lend itself to direct linkage.

Doesn't seem stateful to me, just has different thread / message ids

to the old system:
Using different message IDs is bad.
Usenet already has a header for this: Message ID.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd
The syntax is thread/$threadid/$messageid#$messageid
At least for me, these URLs are transferable between computers / browsers

But if Google ever moves away from maintaining a Usenet archive, then
any links involving Google IDs will be broken. This happened with
DejaNews and will happen with links to old URLs with the GG1 (Google
Groups 1) system (unless they maintain continuity). Even then, all was
not lost because you could extract the Usenet message ID from the URL.
It looks like you can't do this with the new GG2 message references.
You can also access the message directly:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...1679d365ffe9dd

I would also *always* add the Usenet message ID.
This timeproofs it against any future changes.

Christopher