Extending/Embedding python

[Alicia Haumann]

I accidentally sent this to we*******@python.org, so this could be a
duplicate if "webmaster" forwards it to this list. :{

Hi, there.

Thanks for any help that can be offered. I've been working with Python for
a year or more now, but only doing simple extending in C/C++. I'm now
attempting some embedding and several questions have come to mind.

BTW - I'm running Windows 2000 with Python23 and VisualC++ developers
studio.

1. (Not extending/embedding related at all) How can I pass in a load/bunch
of defines so I can use them over and over again, instead of having to copy
them in every *.py script. All my scripts use an "extension" dll that I
wrote that require a lot of constants. I looked a lot at that PyMemberDef
and Type stuff but didn't get it and don't know if that's the solution
anyway.

2. A couple simple examples I've seen for initModule() are written
differently. One only calls Py_InitModule("module", module_methods), but
the other also calls PyImport_AddModule("module"). What is the difference?
What does PyImport_AddModule() accomplish?

3. When embedding Python into my simple application, why can't I pass
application parameters? PyRun_SimpleString seems to only take hard-coded
values. Can/How can I get around this? My code looks like:

if (!Py_IsInitialized())
{
Py_Initialize();
}
PyRun_SimpleString("import MyModule");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', 0x5555)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.MemoryTest(1, 0, 1)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.Shutdown()");
Py_Finalize();

But I'd like to pass application variables instead of the hard-coded 1, 0, 1
and 0x5555, such as:

int appInt = 0x5555;
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', appInt)");

I know I'm missing something fundamental here. Please advise.

Also, is there a mailing list that I should join for this topic?

Thank you!!!!!!

Alicia.

[Martin v. Löwis]

Alicia Haumann wrote:

1. (Not extending/embedding related at all) How can I pass in a load/bunch
of defines so I can use them over and over again, instead of having to copy
them in every *.py script.
You should use PyModule_Add<Foo>Constant.
2. A couple simple examples I've seen for initModule() are written
differently. One only calls Py_InitModule("module", module_methods), but
the other also calls PyImport_AddModule("module"). What is the difference?
What does PyImport_AddModule() accomplish?
See

http://docs.python.org/api/importing.html
3. When embedding Python into my simple application, why can't I pass
application parameters? PyRun_SimpleString seems to only take hard-coded
values. Can/How can I get around this?

Don't use PyRun_SimpleString; use PyObject_CallFunction/Method instead.

HTH,
Martin

[Robert M. Emmons]

Thanks for any help that can be offered. I've been working with Python for
a year or more now, but only doing simple extending in C/C++. I'm now
attempting some embedding and several questions have come to mind.
Your ahead of me!
BTW - I'm running Windows 2000 with Python23 and VisualC++ developers
studio.
I won't hold that against you. :)
1. (Not extending/embedding related at all) How can I pass in a load/bunch
of defines so I can use them over and over again, instead of having to copy
them in every *.py script. All my scripts use an "extension" dll that I
wrote that require a lot of constants. I looked a lot at that PyMemberDef
and Type stuff but didn't get it and don't know if that's the solution
anyway.
Why not just import these with a single import at the top of your python
script. There is probably also a way to make C do this to setup the
name space first too.
2. A couple simple examples I've seen for initModule() are written
differently. One only calls Py_InitModule("module", module_methods), but
the other also calls PyImport_AddModule("module"). What is the difference?
What does PyImport_AddModule() accomplish?
Can't help you there. I don't know much about actual embedding.
3. When embedding Python into my simple application, why can't I pass
application parameters? PyRun_SimpleString seems to only take hard-coded
values. Can/How can I get around this? My code looks like:

if (!Py_IsInitialized())
{
Py_Initialize();
}
PyRun_SimpleString("import MyModule");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', 0x5555)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.MemoryTest(1, 0, 1)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.Shutdown()");
Py_Finalize();

But I'd like to pass application variables instead of the hard-coded 1, 0, 1
and 0x5555, such as:

int appInt = 0x5555;
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', appInt)");

I know I'm missing something fundamental here. Please advise.

I'm not certain this is what you mean -- but if by appInt -- you mean
appInt is defined in the C code, then you need to convert it's value
into a string then send it as a value like you were alread able to do.
I'm not embedding expert but it looks like the "SimpleString" procedure
is just sending python code as text.

The other thing is that if you want to pass down actual variable data
into python it probably has to be coded as a python object -- remember
that python and C don't use the same data construct's, all of these must
be converted and the embedding stuff has routines to do this.

Also as an aside -- you might want to just make an ActiveX/COM extension
rather than dong embedding if your just using windows. See the book
Python Programming on Win32 to see how.

Rob

[Robert M. Emmons]

Thanks for any help that can be offered. I've been working with Python for
a year or more now, but only doing simple extending in C/C++. I'm now
attempting some embedding and several questions have come to mind.
Your ahead of me!
BTW - I'm running Windows 2000 with Python23 and VisualC++ developers
studio.
I won't hold that against you. :)
1. (Not extending/embedding related at all) How can I pass in a load/bunch
of defines so I can use them over and over again, instead of having to copy
them in every *.py script. All my scripts use an "extension" dll that I
wrote that require a lot of constants. I looked a lot at that PyMemberDef
and Type stuff but didn't get it and don't know if that's the solution
anyway.
Why not just import these with a single import at the top of your python
script. There is probably also a way to make C do this to setup the
name space first too.
2. A couple simple examples I've seen for initModule() are written
differently. One only calls Py_InitModule("module", module_methods), but
the other also calls PyImport_AddModule("module"). What is the difference?
What does PyImport_AddModule() accomplish?
Can't help you there. I don't know much about actual embedding.
3. When embedding Python into my simple application, why can't I pass
application parameters? PyRun_SimpleString seems to only take hard-coded
values. Can/How can I get around this? My code looks like:

if (!Py_IsInitialized())
{
Py_Initialize();
}
PyRun_SimpleString("import MyModule");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', 0x5555)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.MemoryTest(1, 0, 1)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.Shutdown()");
Py_Finalize();

But I'd like to pass application variables instead of the hard-coded 1, 0, 1
and 0x5555, such as:

int appInt = 0x5555;
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', appInt)");

I know I'm missing something fundamental here. Please advise.

I'm not certain this is what you mean -- but if by appInt -- you mean
appInt is defined in the C code, then you need to convert it's value
into a string then send it as a value like you were alread able to do.
I'm not embedding expert but it looks like the "SimpleString" procedure
is just sending python code as text.

The other thing is that if you want to pass down actual variable data
into python it probably has to be coded as a python object -- remember
that python and C don't use the same data construct's, all of these must
be converted and the embedding stuff has routines to do this.

Also as an aside -- you might want to just make an ActiveX/COM extension
rather than dong embedding if your just using windows. See the book
Python Programming on Win32 to see how.

Rob

[Rick Ratzel]

Have you checked out elmer?

http://elmer.sourceforge.net

It generates the code needed to embed a Python module into a C
application. Hope that helps,

Rick.
"Alicia Haumann" <al************@orthodyne.com> wrote in message news:<ma**************************************@pyt hon.org>...

I accidentally sent this to we*******@python.org, so this could be a
duplicate if "webmaster" forwards it to this list. :{

Hi, there.

Thanks for any help that can be offered. I've been working with Python for
a year or more now, but only doing simple extending in C/C++. I'm now
attempting some embedding and several questions have come to mind.

BTW - I'm running Windows 2000 with Python23 and VisualC++ developers
studio.

1. (Not extending/embedding related at all) How can I pass in a load/bunch
of defines so I can use them over and over again, instead of having to copy
them in every *.py script. All my scripts use an "extension" dll that I
wrote that require a lot of constants. I looked a lot at that PyMemberDef
and Type stuff but didn't get it and don't know if that's the solution
anyway.

2. A couple simple examples I've seen for initModule() are written
differently. One only calls Py_InitModule("module", module_methods), but
the other also calls PyImport_AddModule("module"). What is the difference?
What does PyImport_AddModule() accomplish?

3. When embedding Python into my simple application, why can't I pass
application parameters? PyRun_SimpleString seems to only take hard-coded
values. Can/How can I get around this? My code looks like:

if (!Py_IsInitialized())
{
Py_Initialize();
}
PyRun_SimpleString("import MyModule");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', 0x5555)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.MemoryTest(1, 0, 1)");
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.Shutdown()");
Py_Finalize();

But I'd like to pass application variables instead of the hard-coded 1, 0, 1
and 0x5555, such as:

int appInt = 0x5555;
PyRun_SimpleString("MyModule.init(1, 'c:\\diag\\dsp.ldr', appInt)");

I know I'm missing something fundamental here. Please advise.

Also, is there a mailing list that I should join for this topic?

Thank you!!!!!!

Alicia.