FW: Good IDE for Python

[Fred Allen]

Dear Michael,

I've searched fruitlessly for your recommended IDLE patch's download point. While I am probably only slightly slower than the average python programmer, I expect that others, no less witless than I, have had similar experience. Would you please post either explicit instructions by which I (we) can find the download. With thanks in advance, I am,

Gratefully,

Fred Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Fuzzyman [mailto:mi*****@foord.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:35 AM
To: py*********@python.org
Subject: Re: Good IDE for Python

Grégoire Dooms <do***@info.LESS.ucl.SPAM.ac.be> wrote in message news:<40**********************@dreader2.news.tisca li.nl>...

Kamilche wrote:

I love Python, but I'm less than in love with IDLE. It's OK, but it
really doesn't have enough capabilities.

What I consider critical, are a popdown listing of all my functions,
colored syntax printing, and a right-click 'definition' context menu
that will hop you to the spot where that keyword is defined, if
possible. Everything else I could learn to do without, but these
features keep me hoping for a better IDE for Python.

I'm used to the Microsoft Visual C++ debugger, and though tooltip
variable debugging and intellisense were nice, they broke often enough
that you couldn't rely on them anyway, so I don't really need those
features.

I would also like the ability to create application 'forms' visually.
I'm on a Windows XP machine.

Any suggestions on what I should install next?

This patch to IDLE improves it a bit:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...70&atid=305470

It adds among other things the pop-down function list.
It's a little cumbersome to apply but the result is quite good.
I've been using it for a few days and I'm quite happy with it.
I may provide a patch against python 2.3.3 or another version if someone
is interrested.

If you are interresed, I made a smaller patch adding the qualified name
autocompletion (module.<Alt-/>functions). But the former patch does it
better (it even supports filename autocompletion).

This looks *very* interesting.
How do you apply a patch like this ?

Regards,

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

[Fuzzyman]

"Fred Allen" <fa****@leveltwo.com> wrote in message news:<ma*************************************@pyth on.org>...

Dear Michael,

I've searched fruitlessly for your recommended IDLE patch's download
point. While I am probably only slightly slower than the average python
programmer, I expect that others, no less witless than I, have had
similar experience. Would you please post either explicit instructions
by which I (we) can find the download. With thanks in advance, I am,

Gratefully,

Fred Allen

Hello Fred,

In actual fact I replied to Gregoire (?) asking how to *apply* the
patch (I did succeed in downloading it though !)... it's not actually
my patch. Whilst I've managed to download the patch I haven't a clue
what to do with it... and I was hoping Greg would let me know.....

If you go to :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...70&atid=305470

Right at the bottom there is a heading saying 'Attached Files'. Below
this it says :
syntaxdiffs Diffs agains CVS in 29.02.04 Download

Needless to say the download link.. is the download one. The actual
link is :

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/downl...388&aid=906702

Regards,
Fuzzy

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Fuzzyman [mailto:mi*****@foord.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:35 AM
To: py*********@python.org
Subject: Re: Good IDE for Python

Gr goire Dooms <do***@info.LESS.ucl.SPAM.ac.be> wrote in message
news:<40**********************@dreader2.news.tisca li.nl>...

Kamilche wrote:

I love Python, but I'm less than in love with IDLE. It's OK, but it
really doesn't have enough capabilities.

What I consider critical, are a popdown listing of all my functions,
colored syntax printing, and a right-click 'definition' context menu
that will hop you to the spot where that keyword is defined, if
possible. Everything else I could learn to do without, but these
features keep me hoping for a better IDE for Python.

I'm used to the Microsoft Visual C++ debugger, and though tooltip
variable debugging and intellisense were nice, they broke often enough that you couldn't rely on them anyway, so I don't really need those
features.

I would also like the ability to create application 'forms' visually. I'm on a Windows XP machine.

Any suggestions on what I should install next?

This patch to IDLE improves it a bit:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...d=906702&group
id=5470&atid=305470

It adds among other things the pop-down function list.
It's a little cumbersome to apply but the result is quite good.
I've been using it for a few days and I'm quite happy with it.
I may provide a patch against python 2.3.3 or another version if

someone

is interrested.

If you are interresed, I made a smaller patch adding the qualified

name

autocompletion (module.<Alt-/>functions). But the former patch does it

better (it even supports filename autocompletion).

This looks *very* interesting.
How do you apply a patch like this ?

Regards,

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

[Grégoire Dooms]

Hi,

You need the 'patch' program to apply a patch, the 'diff' program to
produce one.
If you are under windows you should get cygwin at http://www.cygwin.com/
though you could maybe get a standalone diff and patch program for windows.

I've set-up an archive of the patched files in the Lib/idlelib directory
for you to download the files affected by the patch:
get it at http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~dooms/idl...ched-files.zip
just unzip and copy the files in your idlelib dir.

HTH
--
Grégoire Dooms
Fuzzyman wrote:

"Fred Allen" <fa****@leveltwo.com> wrote in message news:<ma*************************************@pyth on.org>...

Dear Michael,

I've searched fruitlessly for your recommended IDLE patch's download
point. While I am probably only slightly slower than the average python
programmer, I expect that others, no less witless than I, have had
similar experience. Would you please post either explicit instructions
by which I (we) can find the download. With thanks in advance, I am,

Gratefully,

Fred Allen

Hello Fred,

In actual fact I replied to Gregoire (?) asking how to *apply* the
patch (I did succeed in downloading it though !)... it's not actually
my patch. Whilst I've managed to download the patch I haven't a clue
what to do with it... and I was hoping Greg would let me know.....

If you go to :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...70&atid=305470

Right at the bottom there is a heading saying 'Attached Files'. Below
this it says :
syntaxdiffs Diffs agains CVS in 29.02.04 Download

Needless to say the download link.. is the download one. The actual
link is :

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/downl...388&aid=906702

Regards,
Fuzzy

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Fuzzyman [mailto:mi*****@foord.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:35 AM
To: py*********@python.org
Subject: Re: Good IDE for Python

Gr goire Dooms <do***@info.LESS.ucl.SPAM.ac.be> wrote in message
news:<40**********************@dreader2.news.tis cali.nl>...

Kamilche wrote:

I love Python, but I'm less than in love with IDLE. It's OK, but it
really doesn't have enough capabilities.

What I consider critical, are a popdown listing of all my functions,
colored syntax printing, and a right-click 'definition' context menu
that will hop you to the spot where that keyword is defined, if
possible. Everything else I could learn to do without, but these
features keep me hoping for a better IDE for Python.

I'm used to the Microsoft Visual C++ debugger, and though tooltip
variable debugging and intellisense were nice, they broke often

enough

that you couldn't rely on them anyway, so I don't really need those
features.

I would also like the ability to create application 'forms'

visually.

I'm on a Windows XP machine.

Any suggestions on what I should install next?

This patch to IDLE improves it a bit:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...d=906702&group
id=5470&atid=305470

It adds among other things the pop-down function list.
It's a little cumbersome to apply but the result is quite good.
I've been using it for a few days and I'm quite happy with it.
I may provide a patch against python 2.3.3 or another version if

someone

is interrested.

If you are interresed, I made a smaller patch adding the qualified

name

autocompletion (module.<Alt-/>functions). But the former patch does it

better (it even supports filename autocompletion).

This looks *very* interesting.
How do you apply a patch like this ?

Regards,

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

[Fuzzyman]

Grégoire Dooms <do***@info.LESS.ucl.SPAM.ac.be> wrote in message news:<40**********************@dreader2.news.tisca li.nl>...

Hi,

You need the 'patch' program to apply a patch, the 'diff' program to
produce one.
If you are under windows you should get cygwin at http://www.cygwin.com/
though you could maybe get a standalone diff and patch program for windows.

I've set-up an archive of the patched files in the Lib/idlelib directory
for you to download the files affected by the patch:
get it at http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~dooms/idl...ched-files.zip
just unzip and copy the files in your idlelib dir.

HTH
--
Grégoire Dooms

Thanks Greg,

Very helpful... as soon as I've transferred the files from this
rickerty old internet box I'll try it immediately...

Regards,

Fuzzy

Fuzzyman wrote:

"Fred Allen" <fa****@leveltwo.com> wrote in message news:<ma*************************************@pyth on.org>...

Dear Michael,

I've searched fruitlessly for your recommended IDLE patch's download
point. While I am probably only slightly slower than the average python
programmer, I expect that others, no less witless than I, have had
similar experience. Would you please post either explicit instructions
by which I (we) can find the download. With thanks in advance, I am,

Gratefully,

Fred Allen

Hello Fred,

In actual fact I replied to Gregoire (?) asking how to *apply* the
patch (I did succeed in downloading it though !)... it's not actually
my patch. Whilst I've managed to download the patch I haven't a clue
what to do with it... and I was hoping Greg would let me know.....

If you go to :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...70&atid=305470

Right at the bottom there is a heading saying 'Attached Files'. Below
this it says :
syntaxdiffs Diffs agains CVS in 29.02.04 Download

Needless to say the download link.. is the download one. The actual
link is :

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/downl...388&aid=906702

Regards,
Fuzzy

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Fuzzyman [mailto:mi*****@foord.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:35 AM
To: py*********@python.org
Subject: Re: Good IDE for Python

Gr goire Dooms <do***@info.LESS.ucl.SPAM.ac.be> wrote in message
news:<40**********************@dreader2.news.tis cali.nl>...

Kamilche wrote:

>I love Python, but I'm less than in love with IDLE. It's OK, but it
>really doesn't have enough capabilities.
>
>What I consider critical, are a popdown listing of all my functions,
>colored syntax printing, and a right-click 'definition' context menu
>that will hop you to the spot where that keyword is defined, if
>possible. Everything else I could learn to do without, but these
>features keep me hoping for a better IDE for Python.
>
>I'm used to the Microsoft Visual C++ debugger, and though tooltip
>variable debugging and intellisense were nice, they broke often

enough

>that you couldn't rely on them anyway, so I don't really need those
>features.
>
>I would also like the ability to create application 'forms'

visually.

>I'm on a Windows XP machine.
>
>Any suggestions on what I should install next?

This patch to IDLE improves it a bit:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...d=906702&group
id=5470&atid=305470

It adds among other things the pop-down function list.
It's a little cumbersome to apply but the result is quite good.
I've been using it for a few days and I'm quite happy with it.
I may provide a patch against python 2.3.3 or another version if

someone

is interrested.

If you are interresed, I made a smaller patch adding the qualified

name

autocompletion (module.<Alt-/>functions). But the former patch does it

better (it even supports filename autocompletion).

This looks *very* interesting.
How do you apply a patch like this ?

Regards,

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html