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Here's a Python slogan suggestion by Ken Manheimer.

One Nation Under Under Python

I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)

Shane

Jul 18 '05 #1
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Qp
I don't know if anyone else will think it's funny...

"Shane Hathaway" <sh***@zope.com> wrote in message
news:ma**************************************@pyth on.org...
Here's a Python slogan suggestion by Ken Manheimer.

One Nation Under Under Python

I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)

Shane


Jul 18 '05 #2

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Qp wrote:
I don't know if anyone else will think it's funny...

"Shane Hathaway" <sh***@zope.com> wrote in message
news:ma**************************************@pyth on.org...
Here's a Python slogan suggestion by Ken Manheimer.

One Nation Under Under Python

I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)

Shane


With the derivation of Python's name from Monty Python's Flying Circus
it seems natural that a recognizable quote from those grand comedians
would fit well. Clearly, there is no shortage of humorous quotes from them.

Regards,
Technoumena
Jul 18 '05 #3

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Shane Hathaway <sh***@zope.com> writes:
I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)


If they don't, we just send in troops to explain it
to them, right?

--kyler
Jul 18 '05 #4

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Shane Hathaway <sh***@zope.com> wrote in message news:<ma**************************************@pyt hon.org>...
Here's a Python slogan suggestion by Ken Manheimer.

One Nation Under Under Python

I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)

Shane


Bite the python.
Jul 18 '05 #5

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Kyler Laird wrote:
Shane Hathaway <sh***@zope.com> writes:

I don't know if international folks will
get it, though. :-)

If they don't, we just send in troops to explain it
to them, right?


I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #6

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In article <c4**********@swifty.westend.com>,
Peter Maas <fp********@netscape.net> wrote:

I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?


It's from the Pledge of Allegiance:

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The "under under" part of course refers to Python's special methods.

See also http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

IIRC, there's currently a court case to remove the "under God" part.
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Jul 18 '05 #7

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In article <c4**********@panix1.panix.com>, Aahz <aa**@pythoncraft.com> wrote:
Jul 18 '05 #8

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Cameron Laird wrote:
In the litigious US, court cases for everything are unceasing. What
I suspect you have in mind is a Supreme Court hearing for a father
who, if I understand correctly, claims his religious freedom as an
atheist unconstitutionally impaired because of a requirement imposed
by the public school his daughter attends that she recite The Pledge
<URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2097737/ >.

More background appears at <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2067499/ >.


Without following the links to verify, I'll just note (since I
was reading this on the subway while heading for the PyCon venue)
that the recitation is apparently not even mandatory (for the girl)
but the father was objecting that she would even have to stand
there and listen to it. (I don't know what the "rules" say, but
the school representative said the girl didn't even have to say
the pledge.)

-Peter
Jul 18 '05 #9

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Peter Maas <fp********@netscape.net> wrote:
I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?


Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the US).

Is it some sort of Bush/Iraq joke again (Americans are obsessed with them)?

What about, "Don't be constricted by Java, try Python"?
Jul 18 '05 #10

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Aahz wrote:
It's from the Pledge of Allegiance:

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The "under under" part of course refers to Python's special methods.


Ah, thanks. That was the hard part: under -> underscore.
"Under under" made me think of spluttering :)

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #11

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simo wrote:
Peter Maas <fp********@netscape.net> wrote:

I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?

Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the US).


Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the U.S. Pledge of
Allegience and Python's use of double-underscores. It was *not*
intended to suggest that Python replaces deity. ;-)

Any creative suggestions?

Shane

Jul 18 '05 #12

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>>>>> "Shane" == Shane Hathaway <sh***@zope.com> writes:
I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the


Shane> Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the
Shane> U.S. Pledge of Allegience and Python's use of
Shane> double-underscores. It was *not* intended to suggest that
Shane> Python replaces deity. ;-)

Actually, it seems to bring up mostly fascistic connotations, esp. if
you are not American. Throw in the fact that we like to refer to Guido
as BDFL, and you are conveying a very unfortunate image ;-).

--
Ville Vainio http://tinyurl.com/2prnb
Jul 18 '05 #13

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Hello,

What about:-

'He's not a static type, he's a very naughty variable' - Life of Brian
'Code Away, Code Away, Code Away' - from Run Away in Holy Grail
'Number 3, the Python' - from the larch sketch
'We are the coders who say nee' - from the knight in the holy grail
'Good god man, I've thrown you an exception It's nothing a mere
NoneType' holy grail again

The joy of being English is you grow up with this stuff!

Cheers,

Neil

Shane Hathaway wrote:
simo wrote:
Peter Maas <fp********@netscape.net> wrote:

I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?


Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the
US).

Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the U.S. Pledge of
Allegience and Python's use of double-underscores. It was *not*
intended to suggest that Python replaces deity. ;-)

Any creative suggestions?

Shane


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D-01307
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Germany

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Jul 18 '05 #14

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Neil Benn wrote:
'We are the coders who say nee' - from the knight in the holy grail
'Good god man, I've thrown you an exception It's nothing a mere
NoneType' holy grail again

The joy of being English is you grow up with this stuff!


These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders. As I
understand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #15

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Peter Maas wrote:
As Iunderstand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.


Something like

- Python - there's no better way to code.
[stolen from: Lufthansa - there's no better way to fly]

- Your brain would choose Python.
[stolen from: Your cat would by Whiskas :)]

- Python fits your brain.

- Unleash your brain with Python.

- Python - the natural programming language

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #16

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Peter Maas wrote:
[stolen from: Your cat would by Whiskas :)]

correction: [stolen from: Your cat would BUY Whiskas :)] :)

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #17

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Peter Maas wrote:
- Unleash your brain with Python.


- Unchain your brain with Python.
[stolen from Joe Cockers 'Unchain my heart']

- Unbrace yourself with Python.

- Python - think without braces

That's all. Now I'm going to do something useful. :)

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #18

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"Python - where whitespace matters"
"Python - king of the snake pit"

regards,
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http://solumslekt.org/
Validare necesse est
Jul 18 '05 #19

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Peter Maas wrote:
[slogans]

- Wrap Python around your problem and crush it.
Jul 18 '05 #20

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Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> writes:
These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders. As I
understand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.


A previous slogan was:

Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.

Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.
Jul 18 '05 #21

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Jacek Generowicz wrote:
Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> writes:

These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders.
[..] A previous slogan was:

Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.

Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.


No. Because an outsider will read 'intended it', at least I did.
And that's not wrong, either :) The first poster (at least in my
news reader) didn't tell anything about the purpose. For me a
slogan's purpose is advertising and it's useless to advertise
Python to people who like it already.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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Jul 18 '05 #22

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"Ville Vainio" <vi***@spammers.com> wrote in message
news:du*************@lehtori.cc.tut.fi...
>> "Shane" == Shane Hathaway <sh***@zope.com> writes: >>> I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One >>> Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find
the
Shane> Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the
Shane> U.S. Pledge of Allegience and Python's use of
Shane> double-underscores. It was *not* intended to suggest that
Shane> Python replaces deity. ;-)

Actually, it seems to bring up mostly fascistic connotations, esp. if
you are not American. Throw in the fact that we like to refer to Guido
as BDFL, and you are conveying a very unfortunate image ;-).


I originally read this as "One Nation Under Python". As an American
somewhat amused by the current court case and concurrent fuss, I thought
this a bit funny (but not as a serious proposal). The double under version
doesn't do anything for me, but that is perhaps because I do not mentally
sound out __.

I'll bypass discussion of the socialist/fascist aspects.

Terry J. Reedy


Jul 18 '05 #23

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In article <c4**********@swifty.westend.com>,
Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> wrote:

- Unbrace yourself with Python.

- Python - think without braces


Someone (ESR? -- I know I've seen him wear it) made a t-shirt that says,
"Life's better without braces".
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Jul 18 '05 #24

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In article <ty*************@pcepsft001.cern.ch>,
Jacek Generowicz <ja**************@cern.ch> wrote:

A previous slogan was:

Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.

Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.


Close, but no cigar:

Python:
Programming the way
Guido indented it
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Jul 18 '05 #25

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Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> writes:
Jacek Generowicz wrote:
Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> writes:

These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders.

[..]
A previous slogan was:

Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.

Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.


No. Because an outsider will read 'intended it', at least I did.
And that's not wrong, either :) The first poster (at least in my
news reader) didn't tell anything about the purpose. For me a
slogan's purpose is advertising and it's useless to advertise
Python to people who like it already.


I have that T-shirt, and have worn it to non-geek events (e.g. when
acting as an adult advisor to a church youth conference). It does draw
programmers into conversation, and hence offers opportunities for
efangelism.

--
Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Hate to interrupt with a spelling flame, but it's "Cheney,"
not "Chaney." It may only be one letter, but it's 998 faces.
- Mike Peterson
Jul 18 '05 #26

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Peter Maas <pe********@mplusr.de> wrote in message news:<c4**********@swifty.westend.com>...

[snip] As I understand this thread there is a need for a slogan
that is short, not too hard to understand and unforgettable
(probably a definition of the word slogan). Python insiders
don't need a slogan at all.


Well, this is a bit more than just a slogan, I'm envisioning this on a
t-shirt (where the last line is significantly bigger than the rest):

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.

Python is BETTER.

(with thanks and/or apologies to Tim Peters)

- Michael R. Bernstein
Jul 18 '05 #27

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Peter Hansen wrote:
Cameron Laird wrote:
In the litigious US, court cases for everything are unceasing. What
I suspect you have in mind is a Supreme Court hearing for a father
who, if I understand correctly, claims his religious freedom as an
atheist unconstitutionally impaired because of a requirement imposed
by the public school his daughter attends that she recite The Pledge
<URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2097737/ >.

More background appears at <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2067499/ >.

Without following the links to verify, I'll just note (since I
was reading this on the subway while heading for the PyCon venue)
that the recitation is apparently not even mandatory (for the girl)
but the father was objecting that she would even have to stand
there and listen to it. (I don't know what the "rules" say, but
the school representative said the girl didn't even have to say
the pledge.)

-Peter


The father is put in an awkward position of having to explain how he is
not a traitor to his country of birth.

Edison, "Religion is bunk".

Jul 18 '05 #28

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> The father is put in an awkward position of having to explain how he is
not a traitor to his country of birth.


Not necessarily, the whole "under god" clause, that has caused basically
all of the legal issues in the last few decades, is the result of
McCarthy-era foolishness.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm
Really, he's standing up for his child's rights. Had that clause not
been there, this lawsuit (and other similar ones) would not have even
been brought to court.

Bush invades Iraq (killing thousands of innocents), lies about his
reasons for it, gets caught in his lie, and lies some more. Oh, and
he's currently up for reelection.

You tell me, who'se the traitor?

- Josiah
Jul 18 '05 #29

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# Did you Python today?

regards,

Hung Jung
Jul 18 '05 #30

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"Josiah Carlson" <jc******@uci.edu> wrote in message
news:c4**********@news.service.uci.edu...
Bush invades Iraq (killing thousands of innocents), lies about his
reasons for it, gets caught in his lie, and lies some more. Oh, and
he's currently up for reelection.


Josiah, we could also discuss Clinton invading Serbia, killing thousands of
innocents, some intentionally, (to distract attention from his rape of
Juanita Broderick, in my opinion), or flip-flop Kerry consorting with
hate-America Marxist radicals, and his current relation therewith, but I
think it better that we, including you, maintain the political truce that
currently prevails on this newsgroup, which is a unique forum for
discussion Python, and leave such political discussions to more appropriate
fora.

Terry J. Reedy


Jul 18 '05 #31

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> think it better that we, including you, maintain the political truce that
currently prevails on this newsgroup, which is a unique forum for
discussion Python, and leave such political discussions to more appropriate
fora.


Sure, sounds good. For someone who is advocating political truce, you
sure loaded your post. Practice what you preach my friend.

- Josiah
Jul 18 '05 #32

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Josiah Carlson <jc******@uci.edu> wrote in message news:<c4**********@news.service.uci.edu>...

You tell me, who'se the traitor?

- Josiah


I can't; but I can tell who's grammatically confused, and whose
opinions may also be so.
Jul 18 '05 #33

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"Josiah Carlson" <jc******@uci.edu> wrote in message
news:c4**********@news.service.uci.edu...
Sure, sounds good.
Glad we agree. The same issue came up a year ago when a couple of people
posted about Iraq but later agreed to stop.
For someone who is advocating political truce, you sure loaded your post.
Yes, I intentionally mirrored your statements to illustrate why not to
continue down that road ;-)
Practice what you preach my friend.


I just as intentionally quoted my examples as belief or as what 'might be
said' instead of presenting them syntactically as factual statements.

Terry J. Reedy


Jul 18 '05 #34

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Python: It starts with "P" and runs on Linux.
;)
Jul 18 '05 #35

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Dave Benjamin wrote:
Python: It starts with "P" and runs on Linux.
;)


Python: it starts with "P" and that rhymes with "C"
and that stands for Cool!

--
Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept,
University of Canterbury,
Christchurch, New Zealand
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg

Jul 18 '05 #36

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