Descriptors: why __get__(obj,typ=None) instead of __get__(obj,typ)

[Shalabh Chaturvedi]

Almost everwhere the descriptor protocol is mentioned, it specifies
__get__(obj, typ=None). Why is a default value needed for the second
argument? In which case does Python call a descriptor without a second
argument?

Thanks,
Shalabh

[Michael Hudson]

Shalabh Chaturvedi <sh*****@cafepy.com> writes:

Almost everwhere the descriptor protocol is mentioned, it specifies
__get__(obj, typ=None).
Really? I thought it was "__get__(obj, cls=None)" <wink>.
Why is a default value needed for the second argument? In which case
does Python call a descriptor without a second argument?

It doesn't *look* like it does, ever.

/However/ the wrapper for tp_descr_get (typeobject.c:wrap_descr_get)
accepts 1 or 2 arguments translating an absent or None second argument
to NULL, so if you want to behave like C-implemented descriptors,
you'd better accept 1 or 2 arguments. IOW, it's just part of the
"descriptor protocol".

As to *why* it's like this... erm, not sure about that.

Cheers,
mwh

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[Mike C. Fletcher]

Michael Hudson wrote:

Shalabh Chaturvedi <sh*****@cafepy.com> writes:

....

Why is a default value needed for the second argument? In which case
does Python call a descriptor without a second argument?

It doesn't *look* like it does, ever.

/However/ the wrapper for tp_descr_get (typeobject.c:wrap_descr_get)
accepts 1 or 2 arguments translating an absent or None second argument
to NULL, so if you want to behave like C-implemented descriptors,
you'd better accept 1 or 2 arguments. IOW, it's just part of the
"descriptor protocol".

As to *why* it's like this... erm, not sure about that.

Possibly so that the interface is easier to use directly:

for prop in obj.getProperties():
try:
prop.__get__( obj )
except Exception:
argh()

Most of the time the class argument is unused (for simple property-like
code, anyway), so why not let people omit it when calling directly.
Seems like a good design choice to me.

Enjoy,
Mike

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