what is best for web development??

[ketulp_baroda]

i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
I am really confused and need help

[Wilk]

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
I am really confused and need help

It depends of the kind of application you want to do exactly, there are
many possibilities from cgi to zope...

Look into the archive of the list, you'll find a lot of answer to this
question. Or describe more what you need.

bye

--
Wilk - http://flibuste.net

[Skip Montanaro]

ketulp> i am developing a web application and i am really confused on
ketulp> what should i use. should i use just python and use the cgi
ketulp> module availabe. Or should i use application like WebWare.Also
ketulp> there is PSP available. I am really confused and need help

As Wilk indicated, there are lots of options and you didn't say
much/anything about your environment or requirements for your web app. If
all your developers are mostly Python programmers, I think you might like
Quixote. If you have a diverse group of people with different skills
(programmers, web designers, marketing types), you might find Zope more to
your liking. There are tons of other options as well. It all depends...

Skip

[vincent delft]

I've was faced to the same problem few months ago. After checked lot
of different solutions, I've select Draco (draco.boskant.nl).

A framework around mod_python that offers lot of flexibility and can
be used for havy loaded web site.

One of the nicest feature is the possibility to split code and HTML.

I'm not objective, but I propose you to make your own choice amongst
all the good solutions (karrigel, albatros are very good too), but
have a look at draco.


ke***********@yahoo.com wrote in message news:<f0**************************@posting.google. com>...

i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
I am really confused and need help

[Samuel Walters]

|Thus Spake ketulp_barod On the now historical date of Sat, 10 Jan 2004
03:58:09 -0800|

i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what
should i use. should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available. I
am really confused and need help

Follow the advice given elsewhere in this thread, but also look at PHP,
which is another web-programming language. It's not difficult to pick up
if you have a grounding in C, and understand HTML, but it does have its
issues. It is best for getting web pages to talk to databases. The
nicest thing about it is that it was developed *for* creating dynamic
web-pages, so it has a good tool-box for that sort of thing.

HTH

Sam Walters.

--
Never forget the halloween documents.
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
""" Where will Microsoft try to drag you today?
Do you really want to go there?"""

[ketulp_baroda]

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87************@blakie.riol>...

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
I am really confused and need help

It depends of the kind of application you want to do exactly, there are
many possibilities from cgi to zope...

Look into the archive of the list, you'll find a lot of answer to this
question. Or describe more what you need.

bye

hey thanks for ur reply
i am developing an issue tracking system
the primary requirements are
1)it should be platform independent which i think python will take
care of
2)it should have customizable gui .I am thinking of using templates
for this like Cheetah. Is there any other better solution to Cheetah?
The problem i am facing here is i dont know what to use for
development of the application. I came across many ways to develop web
application in python which I already specified like
i)the cgi module in python
ii)Python Server Pages
iii)Quixote
iv)WebWare
v)Zope etc.
I want to choose such an environment so that i dont have to install
other softwares to run my application.For eg. I think if I develop
using zope then the client also has to install zope to run my software
and i dont want this.

[Wilk]

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87************@blakie.riol>...

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

> i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
> should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
> Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
> I am really confused and need help
It depends of the kind of application you want to do exactly, there are
many possibilities from cgi to zope...

Look into the archive of the list, you'll find a lot of answer to this
question. Or describe more what you need.

bye

hey thanks for ur reply
i am developing an issue tracking system

There is one that you can look at : http://roundup.sf.net
I think it can be used in standalone server or cgi.
the primary requirements are
1)it should be platform independent which i think python will take
care of
2)it should have customizable gui .I am thinking of using templates
for this like Cheetah. Is there any other better solution to Cheetah?
There is no better solution than Cheetah : there is others solutions...
The problem i am facing here is i dont know what to use for
development of the application. I came across many ways to develop web
application in python which I already specified like
i)the cgi module in python
ii)Python Server Pages
iii)Quixote
iv)WebWare
v)Zope etc.
I want to choose such an environment so that i dont have to install
other softwares to run my application.For eg. I think if I develop
using zope then the client also has to install zope to run my software
and i dont want this.

When you use one of theses servers, you don't need to install anything
else than a classic browser on the client side.
On the server side, most of the servers will not need anything else, you
can even start without server with the batterie include :
BasicHTTPServer (it was somes examples on this list somes days ago).

bye

--
Wilk - http://flibuste.net

[Graham Fawcett]

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87************@blakie.riol>...

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

The problem i am facing here is i dont know what to use for
development of the application. I came across many ways to develop web
application in python which I already specified like
i)the cgi module in python
ii)Python Server Pages
iii)Quixote
iv)WebWare
v)Zope etc.
I want to choose such an environment so that i dont have to install
other softwares to run my application.For eg. I think if I develop
using zope then the client also has to install zope to run my software
and i dont want this.

When you use one of theses servers, you don't need to install anything
else than a classic browser on the client side.
On the server side, most of the servers will not need anything else, you
can even start without server with the batterie include :
BasicHTTPServer (it was somes examples on this list somes days ago).

Just a guess, but I suspect the OP is using the term "client" in the
business sense, not the client/server sense; that is, he's trying to
write a Web application that is easy to deploy on his clients'
(customers') servers.

If it has to be a one-shot install, I would suggest a Web server
written in Python -- Medusa or Twisted, probably -- that you could
bundle with your Python app. Find a Web app framework that (a) works
on Medusa or Twisted and (b) has the templating features you
require/desire.

I wouldn't jump at using Twisted's app framework (Woven?) on top of
Twisted's Web server, though. No disrespect intended to the Twisted
community or their great body of work; it's just that server and
app-framework are two separate concerns: one day you might want to or
need to switch Web servers, and you need to know that your framework
is portable. I'm no Twisted expert: perhaps Woven is indeed portable,
and a kindly Twisted person will elaborate here.

-- Graham

[ketulp_baroda]

hi
the application should work with Apache or IIS web server.

[Lothar Scholz]

gr*************@hotmail.com (Graham Fawcett) wrote in message news:<e9*************************@posting.google.c om>...

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87oet9grqy.fsf@blakie. If it has to be a one-shot install, I would suggest a Web server
written in Python -- Medusa or Twisted, probably -- that you could
bundle with your Python app. Find a Web app framework that (a) works
on Medusa or Twisted and (b) has the templating features you
require/desire.

I would not recommend this. A distribution with an own apache server
seems to be the best. It is easy to hide the setup and the customers
know that there is a good working technologie behind the scenes. And
it can be managed by every normal administrator. This is a very
important point for larger customers.

I would recommend webware+Fun Form Kit+cheeta together with apache.

[Cameron Laird]

In article <6e**************************@posting.google.com >,
Lothar Scholz <ll*****@web.de> wrote:

gr*************@hotmail.com (Graham Fawcett) wrote in message
news:<e9*************************@posting.google. com>...

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87oet9grqy.fsf@blakie.

If it has to be a one-shot install, I would suggest a Web server
written in Python -- Medusa or Twisted, probably -- that you could
bundle with your Python app. Find a Web app framework that (a) works
on Medusa or Twisted and (b) has the templating features you
require/desire.

I would not recommend this. A distribution with an own apache server
seems to be the best. It is easy to hide the setup and the customers
know that there is a good working technologie behind the scenes. And
it can be managed by every normal administrator. This is a very
important point for larger customers.

I would recommend webware+Fun Form Kit+cheeta together with apache.

I'm unsure what you're recommending. We're considering a self-contained
Web application, including the Web server itself. Are you proposing:
1. An installer which does a conventional Apache
installation, except with enough stuff confi-
gured so it comes up in a safe state, PLUS
a separate installation segment just for the
Python-based part; or
2. A custom installer which knows internal details
of both Apache and the Python-based application?

What advantage do you see for either of these over the pure-Python ap-
proach suggested above? Is your point that customers feel more
comfortable with "Apache inside"?
--

Cameron Laird <cl****@phaseit.net>
Business: http://www.Phaseit.net

[Graham Fawcett]

ll*****@web.de (Lothar Scholz) wrote in message news:<6e**************************@posting.google. com>...

gr*************@hotmail.com (Graham Fawcett) wrote in message news:<e9*************************@posting.google.c om>...

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87oet9grqy.fsf@blakie.

If it has to be a one-shot install, I would suggest a Web server
written in Python -- Medusa or Twisted, probably -- that you could
bundle with your Python app. Find a Web app framework that (a) works
on Medusa or Twisted and (b) has the templating features you
require/desire.

I would not recommend this. A distribution with an own apache server
seems to be the best. It is easy to hide the setup and the customers
know that there is a good working technologie behind the scenes. And
it can be managed by every normal administrator. This is a very
important point for larger customers.

Therefore, you are suggesting ASP running on IIS? Or JSP + SunONE +
Oracle? <0.5 wink> Few Python solutions would satisfy the customer who
bears this level of concern.

There are countless potential customers for Intranet applications who
will never be able to install Apache. Many of them will never meet a
"normal administrator" -- by which I assume you mean the "FOSS-savvy,
got Knoppix right here on my keydrive" variety, not the
MS/Lotus/Netware kind -- let alone employ one. They still deserve and
will pay for Intranet apps, and the company that can deliver and
deploy them easily will have a business advantage.

(I will never forget the first time I delivered such an app to a
client, and told him "just run the setup program", and he had a fully
functional Web app -- Web server, database and all -- running 40
seconds later. Nor will I forget the funny sound his jaw made as it
hit the floor.)

Lastly, almost any app that will run on a Python web server will also
run on Apache et. al., right? Unless you design it with Apache-centric
features; but I don't know if your concerned customer would appreciate
unnecessary platform lock-in! Offer both a Quick-Start and an FCGI
flavour of your app, and let the customer decide what he's capable of
administering.

In my book, an application that scales down (embedded httpd) as well
as up (Apache, etc.) beats a scaled-up-and-nowhere-to-go app any day.

Best wishes,

-- G

[ketulp_baroda]

We're not considering a self-contained Web application, including the
Web server itself. The Web server could be any Apache , IIS or the
python ones. It depends on the customer.

cl****@lairds.com (Cameron Laird) wrote in message news:<10*************@corp.supernews.com>...

In article <6e**************************@posting.google.com >,
Lothar Scholz <ll*****@web.de> wrote:

gr*************@hotmail.com (Graham Fawcett) wrote in message
news:<e9*************************@posting.google. com>...

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87oet9grqy.fsf@blakie. If it has to be a one-shot install, I would suggest a Web server
written in Python -- Medusa or Twisted, probably -- that you could
bundle with your Python app. Find a Web app framework that (a) works
on Medusa or Twisted and (b) has the templating features you
require/desire.

I would not recommend this. A distribution with an own apache server
seems to be the best. It is easy to hide the setup and the customers
know that there is a good working technologie behind the scenes. And
it can be managed by every normal administrator. This is a very
important point for larger customers.

I would recommend webware+Fun Form Kit+cheeta together with apache.

I'm unsure what you're recommending. We're considering a self-contained
Web application, including the Web server itself. Are you proposing:
1. An installer which does a conventional Apache
installation, except with enough stuff confi-
gured so it comes up in a safe state, PLUS
a separate installation segment just for the
Python-based part; or
2. A custom installer which knows internal details
of both Apache and the Python-based application?

What advantage do you see for either of these over the pure-Python ap-
proach suggested above? Is your point that customers feel more
comfortable with "Apache inside"?

[Lothar Scholz]

cl****@lairds.com (Cameron Laird) wrote in message news:<10*************@corp.supernews.com>...

I'm unsure what you're recommending. We're considering a self-contained
Web application, including the Web server itself. Are you proposing:
1. An installer which does a conventional Apache
installation, except with enough stuff confi-
gured so it comes up in a safe state, PLUS
a separate installation segment just for the
Python-based part; or
2. A custom installer which knows internal details
of both Apache and the Python-based application?

What advantage do you see for either of these over the pure-Python ap-
proach suggested above? Is your point that customers feel more
comfortable with "Apache inside"?

I would use (2), simply because (1) could have influences with an
existing installation. I hate the window programs who install
apache/php and kill my machine (like Numegas PHPEd or Magumas older
version). Such an installation should never use the standart paths,
ports or anything else.

And yes "Apache inside" is a very good marketing argument. Apache has
proven to be robust to most of the denial of service attacks and if
there is a good administrator in the company he can update it easily
with security patches.

I found that companies that are sensitive to security issues try to
avoid home grown server as much as possible.

[aj]

hi
i am a newbi to python and developing a web application
what do u all think is the best application framework for developing
web application in python. I want a framework that supports
templates,database connectivity, is available for both unix and
windows.
Zope
Quixote
Draco or others
I read some stuff about all these frameworks and i think zope is a good one
But wanna know what you all think
Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87************@blakie.riol>...

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

Wilk <wi******@OUTflibuste.net> wrote in message news:<87************@blakie.riol>...

ke***********@yahoo.com writes:

> i am developing a web application and i am really confused on what should i use.
> should i use just python and use the cgi module availabe.
> Or should i use application like WebWare.Also there is PSP available.
> I am really confused and need help

It depends of the kind of application you want to do exactly, there are
many possibilities from cgi to zope...

Look into the archive of the list, you'll find a lot of answer to this
question. Or describe more what you need.

bye

hey thanks for ur reply
i am developing an issue tracking system

There is one that you can look at : http://roundup.sf.net
I think it can be used in standalone server or cgi.

the primary requirements are
1)it should be platform independent which i think python will take
care of
2)it should have customizable gui .I am thinking of using templates
for this like Cheetah. Is there any other better solution to Cheetah?

There is no better solution than Cheetah : there is others solutions...

The problem i am facing here is i dont know what to use for
development of the application. I came across many ways to develop web
application in python which I already specified like
i)the cgi module in python
ii)Python Server Pages
iii)Quixote
iv)WebWare
v)Zope etc.
I want to choose such an environment so that i dont have to install
other softwares to run my application.For eg. I think if I develop
using zope then the client also has to install zope to run my software
and i dont want this.

When you use one of theses servers, you don't need to install anything
else than a classic browser on the client side.
On the server side, most of the servers will not need anything else, you
can even start without server with the batterie include :
BasicHTTPServer (it was somes examples on this list somes days ago).

bye