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# approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

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 P: n/a tn****@canadawired.com wrote: [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books] I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm? /david -- Andre, a simple peasant, had only one thing on his mind as he crept along the East wall: 'Andre, creep... Andre, creep... Andre, creep.' -- unknown Jul 18 '05 #2

 P: n/a David Rubin wrote: tn****@canadawired.com wrote: [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books] I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm? Properly speaking, this is the "as sort" -- that is, sorted as you would like it to be. The arguments most implementations accept are "if", "is", or . The "as is" sort is the most time-efficient, but boring, variation The "as if" sort is the most fantastic, but in some of the newer implementations it produces no usable results apart from denial that any actual action is necessary. The "as something else" sort is more complex and its exact effect depends on the something specified. For example: an "as telephone numbers" sort will substitute the digits from a telephone keypad for letters in the text and sort accordingly. See the manual for more information. Hope that helps. -- rzed Jul 18 '05 #3

 P: n/a Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest. 1. check if sorted, if so you are done 2. randomize the collection, go to 1 "rzed" wrote in message news:bn**********@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com... David Rubin wrote: tn****@canadawired.com wrote: [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books] I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm? Properly speaking, this is the "as sort" -- that is, sorted as you would like it to be. The arguments most implementations accept are "if", "is", or . The "as is" sort is the most time-efficient, but boring, variation The "as if" sort is the most fantastic, but in some of the newer implementations it produces no usable results apart from denial that any actual action is necessary. The "as something else" sort is more complex and its exact effect depends on the something specified. For example: an "as telephone numbers" sort will substitute the digits from a telephone keypad for letters in the text and sort accordingly. See the manual for more information. Hope that helps. -- rzed Jul 18 '05 #4

 P: n/a David Rubin wrote: > tn****@canadawired.com wrote: > > [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books] > > I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm? At 3:46 AM +0000 10/22/03, Phil... wrote:Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest.1. check if sorted, if so you are done2. randomize the collection, go to 1 I think that 'assorted' is actually a typo. He meant asorted - as in a big pile of books in random order. So just step 2 is necessary. Anthony -- ---------------------------------------------------- HyPEraCtiVE? HeY, WhO aRE YoU cALliNg HypERaCtIve?! aB*****@wEStNeT.cOm.aU ---------------------------------------------------- Jul 18 '05 #5

 P: n/a "Phil..." wrote: Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest. 1. check if sorted, if so you are done 2. randomize the collection, go to 1 You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost. -- Chuck F (cb********@yahoo.com) (cb********@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! Jul 18 '05 #6

 P: n/a On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:56:38 GMT, CBFalconer wrote or quoted : You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost. I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read, and then add one silly wisecrack. STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!! -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #7

 P: n/a Roedy Green scribbled the following on comp.lang.c: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:56:38 GMT, CBFalconer wrote or quoted :You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost. I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read, and then add one silly wisecrack. STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!! Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in its entirety: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest. 1. check if sorted, if so you are done 2. randomize the collection, go to 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Three lines. *LINES*, mind you, not *PAGES*. You, Roedy, might well use one-line pages, but I wouldn't, because that would severely hamper the reading of Usenet. I, personally, get annoyed by people who top-post. Period. -- /-- Joona Palaste (pa*****@cc.helsinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\ \-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/ "That's no raisin - it's an ALIEN!" - Tourist in MTV's Oddities Jul 18 '05 #8

 P: n/a On 22 Oct 2003 20:08:04 GMT, Joona I Palaste wrote or quoted : Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in itsentirety: neither. I waited for an opportunity to vent on this without picking on a specific culprit. The practice of mindless quoting is widespread. I believe you should only quote the bare minimum. Just quote what you are commenting on. Just quote the bare minimum to set the context for your post. If someone wants to study the original post, they can hit up arrow. Rereading and rereading previously posted material should be the exception, not the rule. But the posts that are most annoying are the ones that make you scroll down and down and down to discover they are nothing but fluff. Wisecracks SHOULD be top posted. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #9

 P: n/a Roedy Green scribbled the following on comp.lang.c: On 22 Oct 2003 20:08:04 GMT, Joona I Palaste wrote or quoted :Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in itsentirety: neither. I waited for an opportunity to vent on this without picking on a specific culprit. The practice of mindless quoting is widespread. You should have said this when replying to CBFalconer. On Usenet, the addressee of a reply to a post is the author of that post, if not stated otherwise. I believe you should only quote the bare minimum. Just quote what you are commenting on. Just quote the bare minimum to set the context for your post. If someone wants to study the original post, they can hit up arrow. Rereading and rereading previously posted material should be the exception, not the rule. But the posts that are most annoying are the ones that make you scroll down and down and down to discover they are nothing but fluff. Wisecracks SHOULD be top posted. I still disagree. NOTHING should be top posted. If you find yourself making the "but I don't want to scroll down" argument, then you're quoting too much. Quoting less solves TWO problems: (1) you don't have to top-post, and (2) you don't have to read pages and pages and pages of quoted material. I agree with you that there is too much mindless quoting, but you are going the wrong way to get around it. -- /-- Joona Palaste (pa*****@cc.helsinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\ \-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/ "Normal is what everyone else is, and you're not." - Dr. Tolian Soran Jul 18 '05 #10

 P: n/a On 22 Oct 2003 21:00:48 GMT, Joona I Palaste wrote or quoted : You should have said this when replying to CBFalconer. On Usenet, theaddressee of a reply to a post is the author of that post, if not statedotherwise. The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting is GOOD on one respect. It is at least is a step in the right direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many times before -- especially those folk who quote with nests 10 posts deep. This will never be settled politically. People enjoy annoying each other too much. I suggest a technological solution http://mindprod.com/projmailreadernewsreader.html -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #11

 P: n/a On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:22:59 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green wrote: The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top postingis GOOD on one respect. Its evil. Period. It is at least is a step in the rightdirection away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen manytimes before A better step is to blast those who don't trim posts. I /want/ to read the context of posts. You may prefer to wander into conversations half way through of course. -- Mark McIntyre CLC FAQ CLC readme: ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Jul 18 '05 #12

 P: n/a On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote or quoted : The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top postingis GOOD on one respect.Its evil. Period. I disagree. I would say it is very rare that I actually read rather than skip over quoted material. It is just a nuisance. If people get to the point right away they save me time. If I need to refresh myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself. If they put all the quoted junk at the end, at least is easier to ignore. I think it is a superior system, but I don't use it myself because it gets people too angry. Perhaps a compromise would be to simply label a top post with something like "quotes follow" or "top posted" to let you know where to find context if you need it. Who gets annoyed by what may have to do with the features of newsreader . Agent does not have a single key "jump to the meat" and my hand is on the mouse during most reading. There is no quick page down by mouse. I have to spin the scroll wheel to get to the point. I also have to drag the mouse from the button panel where it is usually parked to a different region of the screen to scroll. Agent also puts those cutsie "X twirled his moustache spun around three times and uttered ..." things in the same font as meat. I get quite annoyed reading some of those convoluted headers to discover they are just someone being cute. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #13

 P: n/a "Serveral People" wrote in this thread, being cross-posted to at least five newsgroups Lots of things about topposting Sorry, not a real quote, but then, I think at least some people in c.l.s are not used to having discussions like that (slightly off-topic) in at least this (c.l.s) newsgroup. So I might start another discussion about cross-posting and off-topic-threads, knowing this being completely useless, but this would be off-topic as well. I know this (flaming (or something close) people for not posting or quoting correctly) seems to happen quite often in c.l.j.*, but I've never before seen it on c.l.s, so please keep this discussion out of (at least) c.l.s. Jul 18 '05 #14

 P: n/a In article <9n********************************@4ax.com>, ro***@seewebsite.com says... On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote or quoted : Top posting is GOOD on one respect.Its evil. Period. I disagree. The almighty Usenet Oracle has been awakened and declared that you are wrong. Too bad. I have to spin the scroll wheel to get to the point. Sounds like you probably don't walk very much either. Man, spinning the mouse wheel, that is tiring. *cough* I also have to drag the mouse from the button panel where it is usually parked to a different region of the screen to scroll. Do you prefer Baby Swiss or Gouda with your Merlot? -- Randy Howard _o 2reply remove FOOBAR \<, ______________________()/ ()______________________________________________ SCO Spam-magnet: po********@sco.com Jul 18 '05 #15

 P: n/a In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote: I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read, and then add one silly wisecrack. STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!! You might benefit from the following observation: if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely ignore the post, as it won't be interesting. Stephan Jul 18 '05 #16

 P: n/a On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote or quoted : If I need to refreshmyself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts aday, or else have an eidetic memory. In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like a tree. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #18

 P: n/a On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont wrote or quoted : You might benefit from the following observation:if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safelyignore the post, as it won't be interesting. Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote EVERYTHING. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Jul 18 '05 #19

 P: n/a Roedy Green scribbled the following on comp.lang.c: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont wrote or quoted :You might benefit from the following observation:if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safelyignore the post, as it won't be interesting. Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote EVERYTHING. At the very least, people should snip out signatures, barring the case when they have an actual comment on the signature itself. Such as mine. The quote came from Mika P. Nieminen, my former boss, who was commenting a roast sausage. -- /-- Joona Palaste (pa*****@cc.helsinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\ \-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/ "Stronger, no. More seductive, cunning, crunchier the Dark Side is." - Mika P. Nieminen Jul 18 '05 #20

 P: n/a Roedy Green wrote: The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting is GOOD on one respect. It is at least is a step in the right direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many times before -- especially those folk who quote with nests 10 posts deep. Top posting is never good. Just delete all the text in the previous post if you do not have the need to include some more specific context. It is not that hard. -- Thomas. Jul 18 '05 #21

 P: n/a [snipped c.l.s crosspost] On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Thomas Stegen wrote: Top posting is never good. Just delete all the text in the previous post if you do not have the need to include some more specific context. And if you do not feel the need to include any specific context in your post, consider starting a new thread. DO NOT DO THIS: [Subject: Re: Eve's methods] Alice wrote on Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 10:30:54.2, in message , while birds sang overhead and various creatures frolicked in the treetops: Your methods are flawed. -Alice -- Share and enjoy. I like cheese. -Bob DON'T EVEN DO THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S BETTER: [Subject: Re: Eve's methods] I like cheese. -Bob JUST DO THIS: [Subject: I like cheese!] I like cheese. -Bob Oh, and another thing. Don't crosspost to five different groups. That's just ridiculous. (And yes, I know in this case it's due to a spammer. But just in general, don't.) -Arthur Jul 18 '05 #22

 P: n/a On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:35:04 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote or quoted :If I need to refreshmyself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts aday, or else have an eidetic memory.In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like atree. Only if your server stores them all, and you don't purge your database. Do you imagine that everyone has that luxury? So we should all conform to your requirement? And why are you posting this to so many groups? I've no clue where you're posting from. I'm in CLC, where top posting is heavily frowned upon. Maybe the python guys don't care - if so, remove CLC from your crosspost. -- Mark McIntyre CLC FAQ CLC readme: ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Jul 18 '05 #23

 P: n/a Roedy Green wrote: wrote or quoted : If I need to refresh myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself. Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a day, or else have an eidetic memory. In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like a tree. Then you either are downloading and retaining all messages yourself, or your ISP maintains an indefinite history of each group (which I doubt). Sooner or later one of you is going to run out of storage. It's something like using oil to run guzzling SUVs. -- Chuck F (cb********@yahoo.com) (cb********@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! Jul 18 '05 #24

 P: n/a "Arthur J. O'Dwyer" wrote in message news:Pi***********************************@unix49. andrew.cmu.edu... DO NOT DO THIS: [Subject: Re: Eve's methods] Alice wrote on Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 10:30:54.2, in message , while birds sang overhead and various creatures frolicked in the treetops: > > Your methods are flawed. > > -Alice > -- > Share and enjoy. > I like cheese. Have you been to France? They have good cheese. Actually they are more famous for their wine. What kind of wine do you like? Jul 18 '05 #25

 P: n/a "Roedy Green" wrote in message news:qr********************************@4ax.com... Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote EVERYTHING. Yes, they learned in school or somewhere that you should plagiarize, and should "quote all sources". They think if they snip a little something, they're "cheating". Jul 18 '05 #26

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