Meta programming question

[Bruce Dickey]

Hi,

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables which
are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes involved).
Can this be done?

Thanks,

Bruce

[Ben Finney]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:18:15 -0600, Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables
which are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes
involved). Can this be done?

AFAIK, no. If it were possible, it would be very confusing.

What is it you're trying to achieve? Perhaps a better alternative can
be suggested that doesn't break expected behaviour.

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[Bruce Dickey]

Ben Finney wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:18:15 -0600, Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables
which are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes
involved). Can this be done?

AFAIK, no. If it were possible, it would be very confusing.

What is it you're trying to achieve? Perhaps a better alternative can
be suggested that doesn't break expected behaviour.

I'm investigating the use of Python as a grammar language. I'm trying to
achive minimal required syntax/verbage.

Thanks,

Bruce

[Terry Reedy]

"Bruce Dickey" <ce****@excite.com> wrote in message
news:vn************@corp.supernews.com...

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables which are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes involved). Can this be done?

Yes -- by rewriting the appropriate section of the source code. Since
it is clearly written, open source, and freely recompilable, this is
doable by a competant and motivated C programmer. But given how
intertwined current assignment semantics are with the rest of the
language, I have trouble imaging an alternative that would make sense.

Terry J. Reedy

[Alex Martelli]

Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables which
are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes involved).
Can this be done?

No (not without, as somebody already suggested, rewriting substantial
portions of Python's C-level implementation). A module-level statement

<name> = <expression>

evaluates the expression, and sets the name to refer to its value -- no
ifs, no buts, no overriding, and nothing to do with metaprogramming.
Alex

[Jeff Epler]

The changes are not large, if I understand what the OP is asking for.
However, they have a performance impact on the "common case".

In Python, a dict subclass's __setitem__ is never invoked when
evaluating bytecode. With a change to just a few opcodes (STORE_GLOBAL,
STORE_NAME), this can be rectified, so that

exec "x = 3" in d

will call d.__setitem__("x", 3), and you can do whatever you need to do
on "assignment".

The patch was never finished, and never added to the sf patch manager.
You can visit the python-dev thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt...er/029761.html

Jeff

[David Abrahams]

Bruce Dickey <ce****@excite.com> writes:

Ben Finney wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:18:15 -0600, Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables
which are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes
involved). Can this be done?

AFAIK, no. If it were possible, it would be very confusing.
What is it you're trying to achieve? Perhaps a better alternative
can
be suggested that doesn't break expected behaviour.

I'm investigating the use of Python as a grammar language. I'm trying
to achive minimal required syntax/verbage.

Cool! You might take a look at http://spirit.sf.net for some ideas.
Python's a great language for metaprogramming because of its rich
syntax. If you were willing to discourage left-recursion you might go
with something like:

expression = term._('+').expression | term._('-').expression

On the other hand, when I had to do something like this I built my own
"python-like" syntax for the grammar rules and left the semantic
actions in pure Python, then ran the files through a simple
preprocessor. It's just too ugly to write grammar rules in pure
python without overloaded whitespace.

--
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

[Bruce Dickey]

"David Abrahams" <da**@boost-consulting.com> wrote in message
news:uf***********@boost-consulting.com...

Bruce Dickey <ce****@excite.com> writes:

Ben Finney wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:18:15 -0600, Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables
which are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes
involved). Can this be done?
AFAIK, no. If it were possible, it would be very confusing.
What is it you're trying to achieve? Perhaps a better alternative
can
be suggested that doesn't break expected behaviour.

I'm investigating the use of Python as a grammar language. I'm trying
to achive minimal required syntax/verbage.

Cool! You might take a look at http://spirit.sf.net for some ideas.
Python's a great language for metaprogramming because of its rich
syntax. If you were willing to discourage left-recursion you might go
with something like:

expression = term._('+').expression | term._('-').expression

On the other hand, when I had to do something like this I built my own
"python-like" syntax for the grammar rules and left the semantic
actions in pure Python, then ran the files through a simple
preprocessor. It's just too ugly to write grammar rules in pure
python without overloaded whitespace.

--
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

I'll look into it, thanks. But I had essentially come to the same
conclusion.

Bruce

[Bruce Dickey]

"Alex Martelli" <al***@aleax.it> wrote in message
news:zn**********************@news1.tin.it...

Bruce Dickey wrote:

I've read a number of the meta progamming articles. I have not found
what I am looking for. I want to override assignments to variables which
are in the module namespace (not object members -- no classes involved).
Can this be done?

No (not without, as somebody already suggested, rewriting substantial
portions of Python's C-level implementation). A module-level statement

<name> = <expression>

evaluates the expression, and sets the name to refer to its value -- no
ifs, no buts, no overriding, and nothing to do with metaprogramming.
Alex

I think the path of least resistance is to preprocess a (non-Python)
grammar language. My OP was a shot in the dark.

Thanks,

Bruce