Python language ver 2.4 , development platform 0.4

[Dark Cowherd]

The Python language is at ver 2.4 and a thing of beauty. As a
development environment IMHO it is probably 0.4

I really like what I read when I say "import this" in Python.
But as a development environment - TOOWTDI and "batteries included"
are just not true.

I would like to place my position in context. I work in a bread and
butter development shop. There are one or two competent long term
programmers. The others are freshers or average programmers who join
and leave after a year or two etc. But we develop business products
and projects for small companies. The natural development environment
for companies like us are products like VB or Delphi.

We wanted to move towards Linux instead of being purely Windows -
centric. So I evaluated Python.

This is the impressions I got.

It is a hyper-productive environment for the following scenarios.

Utilities - fetchmail being a prime example
Really futuristic programming paradigms - an example being
http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Home
Large in house programming projects - Just a feeling I have, but I
felt that most of the frameworks were scratchin the itch in such
scenarios and they got released as open source projects.

For a bread and butter programming shop Python looks like Shambles.

Until TOOWTDI for GUI, 3 tier applications, Web applications are in
place I would hesitate to jump in for day to day use.
Calvin had pointed out WSGI and the anygui package. But long way to
go. I have looked at DABO, it is impressive.

So there are signs that things are going in the right direction but
still I feel it is somewhere around 0.4

Small projects, utilities which I am going to code myself I will
continue to use Python because I love it.

I hope to learn Python well enough to be able to contribute to some
projects to achieve this. But I still see that as six to nine months
away.

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DarkCowherd

[Michael Sparks]

Dark Cowherd wrote:

The Python language is at ver 2.4 and a thing of beauty. As a
development environment IMHO it is probably 0.4
Have you considered looking at any of the commercial IDEs? Personally I
*like* command line based systems, but I do know many people who swear
by GUI based IDEs. If you have, what did want to see but didn't see ?
(System usability from my perspective starts with developers, since whilst
beauty is skin deep, ugly goes to the bone)

Most of these IDEs tend to integrate with one of the more common GUI
toolkits as well, which /may/ be more TOOWTDI from your perspective. As for
batteries included, I suspect it depends on what you expect as
batteries :-)
Small projects, utilities which I am going to code myself I will
continue to use Python because I love it.
Nice to hear.
I hope to learn Python well enough to be able to contribute to some
projects to achieve this. But I still see that as six to nine months
away.

I'm sure such contributions would be welcome - especially if you're
scratching an itch to help resolve the things you currently suggest as
deficiencies :-)

Regards,
Michael.