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"Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

Python is a good programming language, but "Python" is not a good
name.

First, python also means snake, Monty Python. If we search "python" in
google, emule, many results are not programming resource. If we search
PHP, all results are programming resource.

Second, python also means snake, snake is not a good thing in western
culture. Many people dislike any things relevant to snake. We must
have high regard for the custom.

Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename!

Athon is a good candidate, you could provide better names.

In Athon, the first letter "A" could pronounce as [ e ] .
Nov 30 '07
92 3994
On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
<bdesth.quelque ch...@free.quel quepart.frwrote :
Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot
about "being serious") about IT knows what Python is and who uses it.
Heck, even MSVS now has support for Python and there's an official CLR
port of it. Can't get much more "serious" (lol), isn't it ?
Not so. I know professional programmers and computer scientists with
PhDs who have barely heard of Python and who assumed it was something
roughly like Basic -- until I explained that it is a "serious"
language that can be used for serious work. Then there are the
managers ... who tend to prefer serious names. Sometimes they can see
past a joke of a name ... and sometimes they can't.
Dec 3 '07 #61
On Dec 3, 1:58 pm, "Dan Upton" <up...@virginia .eduwrote:
...and thus, maybe the joke is on you? Just to play devil's advocate...
Yes, the joke *is* on me -- every time I have to explain to someone
why I am using this funny-sounding language. That's the point.
Dec 3 '07 #62
On 2007-12-03, Bruno Desthuilliers <bd************ *****@free.quel quepart.frwrote :
ur***********@g mail.com a écrit :
>Second, python also means snake, snake is not a good thing in
western culture. Many people dislike any things relevant to
snake. We must have high regard for the custom.

Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename!

Athon is a good candidate, you could provide better names.

In Athon, the first letter "A" could pronounce as [ e ] .

I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll...
I didn't think of it as a troll, but as a humor piece. So I tried
to think of a funny response, but failed. Others jumped in to
fill the gap, and well... things progressed from there.

But your opinion is noted. ;)

--
Neil Cerutti
Dec 3 '07 #63
On 2007-12-03, Michael Terry <fo*****@gmail. comwrote:
!!!

Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not
because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. The
results are far more important than the tool.
Right. The biggest weakness in the scientific method is that it
doesn't explain how to come up with theories. You need luck,
genius, or both. The same applies to language naming. There's no
theory of good language names (except for a short list of
don'ts); you have to attempt it and see what happens.

--
Neil Cerutti
Dec 3 '07 #64

"Tóth Csaba" <ts***@tsabi.hu wrote in message
news:47******** ******@tsabi.hu ...
|
| >Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its
hard
| >to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular.
| >Just a few ppl knows them.
|| back from jokes, im _really_ interested what is core developers, mainly
| Guido's opinion about the name change.

Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April
Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the
effective cost would be in the $millions, I an still not sure he is sanely
serious.

Fun discussion of 'what if' is a different matter.

tjr

Dec 3 '07 #65
Michael Terry wrote:
>
Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because
of his methods. The scientific method is a tool.
As was Newton, according to many of his contemporaries.
The results are far more important than the tool.
Yep.
Jim
--
"I loathe people who say, 'I always read the ending of the book first.'
That really irritates me. It's like someone coming to dinner, just
opening the fridge and eating pudding, while you're standing there still
working on the starter. It's not on." -- JK Rowling
Dec 3 '07 #66
On Dec 3, 3:09 pm, "Chris Mellon" <arka...@gmail. comwrote:
People who claim that everyone would agree with them if they'd only
open their minds or think out of the box are worth more than a few
Never said anything like it. It's a red herring that you either
imagined or made up.
points on the trollmeter. Consequentially , this will be (my) last post
on the subject, although apparently I have already been trolled.
Good riddance.
Dec 3 '07 #67
On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, "Terry Reedy" <tjre...@udel.e duwrote:
Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April
Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the
effective cost would be in the $millions, I an still not sure he is sanely
serious.
I doubt you really thought that. I think you just want to make the OP
feel like a fool. Do you feel better now? Where are the sensitivity
police when they are needed?

I find it interesting that someone can claim that Newton was not a
scientist and be taken seriously on this site, but someone who
suggests changing the name of a programming language is ridiculed.
That's ridiculous.
Dec 3 '07 #68
On Dec 3, 5:39 pm, "Russ P." <Russ.Paie...@g mail.comwrote:
On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, "Terry Reedy" <tjre...@udel.e duwrote:
Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April
Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the
effective cost would be in the $millions, I an still not sure he is sanely
serious.

I doubt you really thought that. I think you just want to make the OP
feel like a fool. Do you feel better now? Where are the sensitivity
police when they are needed?

I find it interesting that someone can claim that Newton was not a
scientist and be taken seriously on this site, but someone who
suggests changing the name of a programming language is ridiculed.
That's ridiculous.
Whether Newton was a scientist is a matter of opinion (mainly
regarding one's philosophy of science, and more specifically, the
demarcation problem); whether to change the name of python is a matter
of pragmatics. It's much easier to show that something is
pragmatically wrong (e.g., costs extra money with no overall gain),
than to show that someone's opinion about a complex matter is wrong.

On my view of "science," Newton was a scientist (as is anyone using
the tools of discursive reasoning and empirical observation; even if
they don't strictly follow the "scientific method"). That's all great.
But my opinions have nothing to do with the fact that it makes no
pragmatic sense to change the name of python. It is a foolish (or
"unwise" if you want a more "sensitive" euphemism) suggestion.

The suggestion, in syllogism (w/ conjunctions of the first premise
broken into separate premises 1-N):

1 Python is not taken seriously because of its "joke" name
2 great people of the past deserve honor
3 it would get better publicity with a different name
N ...
N' we want to be taken seriously, &c
Ergo, the name python should be changed to name X

It is easy to prove that premises 1-N are either true or false (or
pragmatically irrelevant, which can be considered as false to preserve
bivalence). So far, no compelling reasons have been given to think
them true, while several counter-examples and contradicting facts have
been given for thinking them false. Thus, a name change is
pragmatically stupid. QED.

Regards,
Jordan
Dec 4 '07 #69
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0200, "Dotan Cohen"
<do********@gma il.comwrote:
>On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig <gh*****@fmed.u ba.arwrote:
>You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight!

Wasn't Ra the Sun god?
He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. Now try qith
Quetzatcoatl and its derivatives:

- QuetzatcoatlGTK

- QuetzatcoatlTes t

- Quetzatcoatl_ar gfs_ughs_IlostM ybreath

And some equally funny and easy to pronounce others...

Regards,

Zara

Dec 4 '07 #70

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