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Xah Lee, 20020518

Question: U.S. Judges are not morons, and quite a few others are
not morons. They find MS guilty, so it must be true.

Answer: so did the German population thought Jews are morons by
heritage, to the point that Jews should be exterminated from earth.
Apparently, the entire German population cannot be morons, they must be
right.

Judge for yourself, is a principle i abide by. And when you judge, it
is better to put some effort into it.

How much you invest in this endearvor depends on how important the
issue is to you. If you are like most people, for which the issue of
Microsoft have remote effect on your personal well-being, then you can
go out and buy a case of beer on one hand and pizza on the other, and
rap with your online confabulation buddies about how evil is MS. If you
are an author writing a book on this, then obviously its different
because your reputation and ultimately daily bread depend on what you
put down. If you are a MS competitor such as Apple or Sun, then
obviously you will see to it with as much money as you can cough out
that MS is guilty by all measures and gets put out of business. If you
are a government employee such as a judge, of course it is your
interest to please your boss, with your best accessment of the air.

When i judge things, i like to imagine things being serious, as if my
wife is a wager, my daughter is at stake, that any small factual error
or mis-judgement or misleading perspective will cause unimaginable
things to happen. Then, my opinions becomes better ones.

Q: Microsoft's Operating System is used over 90% of PCs. If that's
not monopoly, i don't know what is.

A: Now suppose there is a very ethical company E, whose products have
the best performance/price ratio, and making all the competitors
looking so majorly stupid and ultimately won over 90% of the market as
decided by consumers. Is E now a monopoly? Apparently, beer drinkers
and pizza eaters needs to study a bit on the word monopoly, from the
perspectives of language to history to law. If they have some extra
time, they can sharpen views from philosophy & logic contexts as well.

Q: What about all the people in the corporate environments who are
forced to use MS products and aren't allowed the option/choice to use
Mac/Linux/UNIX?

A: Kick your boss's ass, or, choose to work for a company who have
decisions that you liked.

Q: What about MS buying out all competitors?

A: Microsoft offered me $1 grand for saying good things about them.
They didn't put a gunpoint on my head. I CHOOSE to take the bribe.
Likewise, sold companies can and have decided what's best for them.
It's nothing like under gunpoint.

Q: Microsoft forced computer makers to not install competitor's
applications or OSes.

A: It is free country. Don't like MS this or that? Fuck MS and talk to
the Solaris or BeOS or AIX or HP-UX or Apple or OS/2 or Amiga or NeXT
or the Linuxes with their free yet fantastically easy-to-use and
network-spamming X-Windows. Bad business prospects? Then grab the
opportunity and become an entrepreneur and market your own beats-all
OS. Too difficult? Let's sue Microsoft!

Q: Microsoft distributed their Internet Explorer web browser free,
using their “monopoly” power to put Netscape out of business.

A: entirely inane coding monkeys listen: It takes huge investment to
give away a quality software free. Netscape can give away Operating
Systems free to put MS out of business too. Nobody is stopping Sun
Microsystem from giving Java free, or BeOS a browser free, or Apple to
bundle QuickTime deeply with their OS free.

Not to mention that Netscape is worse than IE in just about every
version till they become the OpenSource mozilla shit and eventually
bought out by AOL and still shit.

• Netscape struggles, announced open browser source code in 1998-01,
industry shock
http://wp.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html

• Netscape browser code released in 1998-03. Mozilla FAQ.
http://mozilla.org/docs/mozilla-faq.html

• AOL buys Netscape in 1998-11 for 4.2 billion.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-218360.html?legacy=cnet

• Jamie Zawinski, resignation and postmortem, 1999-04
http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nomo.html

• suck.com, Greg Knauss & Terry Colon, 2000-04, Netscape 6 mockery
http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/04/10/
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/_...s_netscape.zip

• Xah Lee, Netscape Crap
http://xahlee.org/Writ_dir/macos-talk/58.txt

Q: Microsoft implemented extra things to standard protocols in
their OS so that other OS makers cannot be compatible with their OS
while their OS can be compatible with all. They used this Embrace &
Extend to lock out competitors.

A: My perspective is this: suppose you are now a company who's OS sits
over 90% of computers (regardless how this come to be for the moment).
Now, lots of “standard” protocols in the industry is a result of
popularity (RFC = Really Fucking Common), and popularity resulted from
being free, from the RFCs of the fantastically incompetent by the
truely stupid unix tech morons. What can you do if you want to improve
these protocols? If you go with totally different protocols, then the
incompatibility with the rest 10% isn't your best interest. I would
adopt existing protocols, and extend them with improvements. Being a
commercial entity, i'm sorry that it is not my duty to release my
improvments to my competitors. Any of you incompetent IBM/AIX/OS/2 or
SGI/Irix or HP/HP-UX or Sun/Solaris or Apple/AU-X/Mac can do the same,
not that they haven't.

Of course, the universe of moronic unixers and Apple fanatics cannot
see that. The unix idiots cannot see that their fantastically stupid
protocols are fantastically stupid in the first place. The Apple
fanatics are simply chronically fanatic.

Q: Microsoft product is notorious for their lack of security.

A: In my very sound opinion, if Microsoft's OS's security flaws is
measured at one, then the unixes are measured at one myriad. If unixes
suddenly switch popularity with Windows, then the world's computers
will collapse uncontrollably by all sorts of viruses and attacks. This
can be seen for technical person who knows unix history well:

http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/freebooks.html (e.g.
ftpd/proftpd, inetd/xinetd, sendmail/qmail, X-Windows, telnet, passwd,
login, rsh, rlogin.)

• on the criminality of buffer overflow, by Henry Baker, 2001.
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/_..._overflow.html

• Fast Food The UNIX Way:
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/_.../fastfood.html

• Jargon File: http://www.tuxedo.org/%7Eesr/jargon/

• The Rise of Worse is Better, by Richard P. Gabriel, 1991, at
http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html

and plenty other pre-90s documents to get a sense of just how
fantastically insecure unix was and is. Unix today is not just
technically slacking in the “security” department, but the unix
ways created far more unmanageable security risks that's another topic
to discuss.

The unix crime, is not just being utmost technically sloppy. Its entire
system and “philosophy created an entire generation of incompetent
programers and thinking and programing languages, with damage that is a
few magnitude times beyond all computer viruses and attacks damages in
history combined. See also:

• Responsible Software License:
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w...e_license.html

Q: Microsoft products are simply poor quality.

A: Perhaps this in general is true pre-1997. I think the vast majority
of MS products today have better performance/price ratio then
competitors. This includes their operating system, their input devices
(mouse & keyboard), their X-Box gaming console, their software game
titles, their software architectures and languages (.NET, C#), their
technologies (few i know: SMB), and many of their software applications
(suite of Office, which consistently ranked top since early 90s).

e.g. Tom's hardware review on x-box, esp in comparison with Sony
Playstation 2. (2002-02):
http://www4.tomshardware.com/consume...204/index.html

the leading role of MS Office products can be seen in MacUser &
MacWorld magazine reviews through out early 90s.

Q: BeOS was once to be bundled with PC, but MS meddled with it and
basically at the end fucked Be up.

A: BeOS is a fantastically fucking useless OS. No DVD player, No Java,
No QuickTime, No games, no Mathematica, no nothing. For all practical
purposes, fucking useless in a different way than every donkey unixes.
Not to mention the evil Apple computer, refused to pass the QuickTime
technology, and tried to prevent BeOS from running on Apple hardware by
refusing to release their PPC hardware spec. Be founder Jean-Louis
Gassee wrote an article about it. Who's fucking whom?

Q: X inc tried to do W, but MS threatened to depart.

A: Dear X inc., try to find a bigger dick for your needs. If you cannot
find any, too bad! Suck it up to the big brother and hold on to what
you can get! If you have the smarts, milk him dry! Free country, free
to choose partnership. Ladies, previous night's indiscretion is not
rape the morning after.

Q: I'm not a beer bucket or pizza hole, but i want to do research
over the web. Is there any free stuff on the web i can grab? I'm an
OpenSource advocate, i demand free things.

A: •
http://www.moraldefense.com/Campaign...AQ/default.htm
(The Center for the Moral Defense of Capitalism)

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_repo.../friedman.html (The
Business Community's Suicidal Impulse by Milton Friedman, 1999-03)
local copy

Q: I'm thinking of putting my wife and daughter on the table. What
do you suggest to begin with?

A: Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell:
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di...economics.html

Q: Are you confident enough to bet your wifes and daughters for
what you say?

A: No. But I put my reputation in.
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Xah
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http://xahlee.org/

Oct 15 '05
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Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:
The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably
due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into
producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs.
Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in one
sentence.
Ironically exactly this
is the key to Linux/*BSD success in the unix server market. ;)


Yeah, right.

--
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Oct 15 '05 #21
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Wingate <jo****@worldpa th.net> wrote:
Peter T. Breuer <pt*@oboe.it.uc 3m.es> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.m isc Jeroen Wenting <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote:
Without Microsoft 90% of us would never have seen a computer more powerful
than a ZX-81 and 90% of the rest of us would never have used only dumb
mainframe terminals.
Uh - when microsoft produced dos 1.0, or whatever it was, I was sitting
at my Sun 360 workstation (with 4M of RAM, later upgraded to 8M),
running SunOS 3.8 or thereabouts.

Peter, if you are serious, and not just pulling our legs, your memory is
failing.
Well, it might be a bit off. I am talking about 1986.
MS-DOS 1.0 came out in August 1981; SunOS 3.0 in February 1986.
Seems about right.

So what version of msdos was around at that time? Obviously I didn't
use it!
Sun Microsystems was incorporated (with four employees) in February 1982.
There never was a SunOS 3.8. (SunOS 3.5 was succeeded by 4.0.) And I'm
It seems to me that I was using 3.x. Maybe it was 3.1? I seem to
remember an earlier major ... was there a 2.8 or 2.9?
not sure what you mean by "Sun 360"--a Sun 3/60, maybe?


Seems likely. I recall it as a Sun 360m. "Monica" by name, following
the cpu serial number, mncaxxx (or something close). "Sun 3" definitely
rings a bell.

Peter
Oct 15 '05 #22
"Martin P. Hellwig" <mh******@xs4al l.nl> wrote:
Jeroen Wenting wrote:
<cut>

Without Microsoft 90% of us would never have seen a computer more
powerful than a ZX-81 and 90% of the rest of us would never have used
only dumb mainframe terminals. <cut>
At the time you "PC" guys where hacking around monochrome green and a
bit lighter green screens I was doing multi-media editing on my Amiga
600. So perhaps we should state that we would have been a lot further
if not an incredible amount of cool technologies where bought by MS
and then simply put in the freezer to protect their future market
share.


You mean like the lamp that keeps burning forever, like Philips has?
Although Commodore where never serious competitors,
Because there programming skills were as worse as MS? I mean, their
BASIC had only 2 instuctions: PEEK and POKE?
they had
some "intern" difficulties, too bad but life goes on.
Yup, same for Acorn. Their RISC work station was the fastest computer
available for home users at that moment.
To go on, stable version of truly free unix likes where released
around 1994 that was in the same time MS was working on their super
stable released windows 95 and a slightly better NT 3.5 and let me not
forget OS/2 warp 3.0 .

I'm not a MS basher,
Yet you call NT slightly better compared to Windows 95. So you have no
clue what you're talking about.
hey I make money of them administrating them,
however to state that if we didn't had MS we would been in the IT
stone ages is blatantly wrong,
Now there is truth.
I think we would have been a lot
further
No, since companies are just companies, not little gods like some want
them to be.
then where we are now. Perhaps we even had a other mainstream
architecture like sparcs and powerpc's.


But "crippled" like Intel.

--
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Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
I ploink googlegroups.co m :-)

Oct 15 '05 #23
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:
The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably
due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into
producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs. Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in one
sentence.
You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single
terse contribution. ;-)
Ironically exactly this
is the key to Linux/*BSD success in the unix server market. ;)

Yeah, right.


Good riddance!
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Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94)
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#bofh excuse 146: Communications satellite used by the military
for star wars.
Oct 15 '05 #24
In comp.os.linux.m isc Peter T. Breuer <pt*@oboe.it.uc 3m.es>:
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Wingate <jo****@worldpa th.net> wrote:
Peter T. Breuer <pt*@oboe.it.uc 3m.es> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.m isc Jeroen Wenting <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote:
[..]
Sun Microsystems was incorporated (with four employees) in February 1982.
There never was a SunOS 3.8. (SunOS 3.5 was succeeded by 4.0.) And I'm
It seems to me that I was using 3.x. Maybe it was 3.1? I seem to
remember an earlier major ... was there a 2.8 or 2.9?


Looks like SunOS 1.0 came out February 1982, according to:

http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#05

Kudos to the one who did the work!

--
Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94)
mail: echo zv*****@urvzvat .qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
#bofh excuse 44: bank holiday - system operating credits
not recharged^
Oct 15 '05 #25
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:

The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably
due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into
producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs.

Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in
one sentence.


You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single
terse contribution. ;-)


Only if their contribution is utter BS and I point this out.

--
John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
I ploink googlegroups.co m :-)

Oct 15 '05 #26
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:

The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably
due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into
producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs.

Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in
one sentence.


You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single
terse contribution. ;-)

Only if their contribution is utter BS and I point this out.


Dunno what's so BS about the possibility that the wintel mafia
works hand in hand, M$ introduces a new OS and Intel faster CPU.
People need to use the first, luckily both come bundled with the
latest PC people just need to buy right now. Iirc this is called
marketing, you don't seem to have much clue about.

BTW
Thx for reminding me to actually kill-file you.

PLONK

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Patch
Oct 15 '05 #27
John Bokma wrote:
<cut>
You mean like the lamp that keeps burning forever, like Philips has?

No more like all the hydrogen technologies that shell has in their
possession for the last decades and only recently has begun to restart
those projects.
Although Commodore where never serious competitors,


Because there programming skills were as worse as MS? I mean, their
BASIC had only 2 instuctions: PEEK and POKE?


eehm Amiga?

<cut>
Yet you call NT slightly better compared to Windows 95. So you have no
clue what you're talking about.
So I see you never worked serious with 3.5 .
hey I make money of them administrating them,
however to state that if we didn't had MS we would been in the IT
stone ages is blatantly wrong,


Now there is truth.
I think we would have been a lot
further


No, since companies are just companies, not little gods like some want
them to be.
then where we are now. Perhaps we even had a other mainstream
architecture like sparcs and powerpc's.


But "crippled" like Intel.


Yeah right sparc is crippled...
Oct 15 '05 #28

"Michael Heiming" <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote in message
news:ig******** ****@news.heimi ng.de...
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:
In comp.os.linux.m isc John Bokma <jo**@castleamb er.com>:
Michael Heiming <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote:

> The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably
> due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into
> producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs.

Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in
one sentence.

You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single
terse contribution. ;-)

Only if their contribution is utter BS and I point this out.


Dunno what's so BS about the possibility that the wintel mafia
works hand in hand, M$ introduces a new OS and Intel faster CPU.


Your presumption that poor coding has anything to do with CPU development is
absurd. There may be times that M$ has to wait on faster chips before
pushing new technologies or Intel has to wait on M$ before pushing new chips
(like their 64bit chips that probably won't be get over-hyped until the next
iteration of Winblows rolls around), but that's hardly evidence of the two
working hand-in-hand.
People need to use the first, luckily both come bundled with the
latest PC people just need to buy right now. Iirc this is called
marketing, you don't seem to have much clue about.


Er, that's not called marketing but a software/hardware bundle. Marketing
would be the propaganda that tries to convince you that you need both. When
you have no option that's not marketing but a monopoly, which sort of brings
this all full-circle...

Matt
Oct 15 '05 #29
In comp.os.linux.m isc Matt Garrish <ma************ *@sympatico.ca> :
"Michael Heiming" <mi************ @www.heiming.de > wrote in message [..]
Dunno what's so BS about the possibility that the wintel mafia
works hand in hand, M$ introduces a new OS and Intel faster CPU. Your presumption that poor coding has anything to do with CPU development is
absurd. There may be times that M$ has to wait on faster chips before
pushing new technologies or Intel has to wait on M$ before pushing new chips
(like their 64bit chips that probably won't be get over-hyped until the next
iteration of Winblows rolls around), but that's hardly evidence of the two
working hand-in-hand.
Doesn't really matter who is providing faster something that'll
need or provide more power, the other will catch up soon, just to
keep the game going.
People need to use the first, luckily both come bundled with the
latest PC people just need to buy right now. Iirc this is called
marketing, you don't seem to have much clue about.

Er, that's not called marketing but a software/hardware bundle. Marketing
would be the propaganda that tries to convince you that you need both. When
you have no option that's not marketing but a monopoly, which sort of brings
this all full-circle...


Ops, sorry. Having no option is M$ marketing (monopoly) for the
usual user. Glad to see you got my point. ;-)

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Oct 15 '05 #30

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