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Andy M wrote:

There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup.
No, I'm trying to get teh postgresql groups which are already ON usenet to
follow proper usenet guidelines. In order to be under the comp.* hierarchy
the server MUST go through RFD and CFV. Otherwise it is a ROGUE group!

The proper thing would have been to go through the process when they were
placed on usenet OR put them under the alt.* hierarchy.

So in essence, postgresql is under the comp.* hierarchy illegally already,
and many usenet servers that are followin proper proceedures do not carry
it. Other server that do not care about proper hierarchy or are trying to
include everything for their paying subscribers do.

By making the postgresql group legitimate, many more servers will carry the
group, and more people can participate. Also, making the group legitimate
will increase the postgresql brand because currently it is violating usenet
rules by being placed under the comp.* hierarchy!
of you know that this and most of the other postresql
mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
small number of private news servers. If Mike Cox
succeeds, this list will be available as a newsgroup
on a great many more ISPs and NSPs, which could be a
good or a bad thing. For one, e-mail addresses on this
list will probably receive an increased volume of

This person Mike wrote his own charter for this
mailing list, without asking for help from any of the
list subscribers. He went ahead and submitted the
proposal to the Usenet big-wigs without consulting the
mailing list first.
That is the Request for Discussion (RFD). It is the offical way to discuss
the proposal. Any changes to the charter are welcome. The RFD requires a
charter and I included a default one because I couldn't locate the
"official" one. It is easy to submitt another RFD with the improved
charter, but first we must start the discussion, which is what I'm doing.

The RFD, is just that A Request for Discussion!!! That means I'm doing
exactly what Andy WANTS!

Later if people dislike the idea, they can vote against it of course. If
there seems to be a general dislike for the idea it doesn't even have to
come before a CFV (call for votes). I just won't turn in the questionaire,
and the whole thing will die.

It would be a serious mistake, since the postgresql newsgroups are violating
usenet regulations and many proper usenet providers consider the
comp.databases.postgresql.* as BOGUS because they never went through RFD
and CFV.
The discussion is occurring in the
news.groups Usenet group by a bunch of Usenet techies.
Please get involved in the discussion and express your
views. By all means, vote, when the time comes.

If you have no access to Usenet, you could follow the
discussion via Google Groups. Here are links to some
of the threads--


Proposal is below:

unmoderated group

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the
creation of
a worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at
this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.postgresql.general

comp.databases.postgresql.general exists in
groups.google.com. It
has never gone through the big eight process of RFD
and CFV, therefore
is considered "bogus" and many news servers will not

comp.databases.postgresql.general is already very
active, with many
people posting and reading through groups.google.com.
Having it
be an official big eight group will enable people to
follow it
through their usenet servers.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.general

The comp.databases.postgresql.general unmoderated
newsgroup will
provide a general discussion location for users of the

Postgresql is the most advanced open source relational
management system with thousands of users. It has
won many awards
and is distributed with almost every Linux and BSD

PostgreSQL may be freely downloaded from



This is a request for discussion, not a call for
votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the
proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first
RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after
which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if
the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet
newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please
refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if
you have any
questions about the process.


This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups

A pointer will be posted to the following group:

comp.databases.postgresql.general on Google Groups

Proponent: Mike Cox mi**********@yahoo.com

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