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ALERT This mailing list may be voted into a newsgroup

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ALERT

There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup. Many
of you know that this and most of the other postresql
mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
small number of private news servers. If Mike Cox
succeeds, this list will be available as a newsgroup
on a great many more ISPs and NSPs, which could be a
good or a bad thing. For one, e-mail addresses on this
list will probably receive an increased volume of
spam.

This person Mike wrote his own charter for this
mailing list, without asking for help from any of the
list subscribers. He went ahead and submitted the
proposal to the Usenet big-wigs without consulting the
mailing list first. The discussion is occurring in the
news.groups Usenet group by a bunch of Usenet techies.
Please get involved in the discussion and express your
views. By all means, vote, when the time comes.

If you have no access to Usenet, you could follow the
discussion via Google Groups. Here are links to some
of the threads--

http://shorl.com/jevukofrolelo
http://shorl.com/hunofetaprona
http://shorl.com/boranobrimise

Andy
Proposal is below:

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group
comp.databases.postgresql.general

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the
creation of
a worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
comp.databases.postgresql.general.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at
this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.postgresql.general

comp.databases.postgresql.general exists in
groups.google.com. It
has never gone through the big eight process of RFD
and CFV, therefore
is considered "bogus" and many news servers will not
carry
comp.databases.postgresql.general.

comp.databases.postgresql.general is already very
active, with many
people posting and reading through groups.google.com.
Having it
be an official big eight group will enable people to
follow it
through their usenet servers.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.general

The comp.databases.postgresql.general unmoderated
newsgroup will
provide a general discussion location for users of the
open-source
PostgreSQL RDBMS.

Postgresql is the most advanced open source relational
database
management system with thousands of users. It has
won many awards
and is distributed with almost every Linux and BSD
distribution.

PostgreSQL may be freely downloaded from
http://www.postgresql.org.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for
votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the
proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first
RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after
which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if
the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to
news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet
newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please
refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if
you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups

A pointer will be posted to the following group:

comp.databases.postgresql.general on Google Groups

Proponent: Mike Cox mi**********@yahoo.com


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Nov 23 '05 #1
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(All as I understand it. If Marc or someone else who's involved wants
to correct and clarify it'd be appreciated.)

This mailing list is already gatewayed to
comp.databases.postgresql.general (that's where the spammers harvest
your email address if you post to the list).

This is nothing new. It has been that way for a while, with minimal
problems on the mailing list side, with the exception of spammers
harvesting email addresses. That's partly because it's primarily a
one-way gateway - mailing list to newsgroup. Posts to the newsgroup
are only propagated to the mailing list if the posting email address
is a subscriber to the mailing list.

But comp.databases.postgresql.general was never correctly created -
it's a bogus newsgroup. As it's bogus, many newsservers won't carry it
by default, though they'll often add it if users request it.

The discussion in news.groups is about "doing the paperwork" for the
already existing groups. There's interest in the newsgroups and
providers are being asked to carry them. Formalising their creation
will make that easier, as many newsservers will start carrying them
automagically.

There may be significant pressure to change the gateway to a two-way
gateway, sending all usenet posts to the mailing list, as part of the
"doing the paperwork" process. That may cause problems. On the other
hand without the full two-way gateway there's a risk of the forum
splitting into two parts, with mailing-list subscribers not seeing
posts from usenet participants, fragmenting threads and making both
the mailing list and the newsgroup less useful for all participants.

Cheers,
Steve

On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 08:42:40AM -0800, Andy M wrote:
ALERT

There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup. Many
of you know that this and most of the other postresql
mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
small number of private news servers. If Mike Cox
succeeds, this list will be available as a newsgroup
on a great many more ISPs and NSPs, which could be a
good or a bad thing. For one, e-mail addresses on this
list will probably receive an increased volume of
spam.

This person Mike wrote his own charter for this
mailing list, without asking for help from any of the
list subscribers. He went ahead and submitted the
proposal to the Usenet big-wigs without consulting the
mailing list first. The discussion is occurring in the
news.groups Usenet group by a bunch of Usenet techies.
Please get involved in the discussion and express your
views. By all means, vote, when the time comes.

If you have no access to Usenet, you could follow the
discussion via Google Groups. Here are links to some
of the threads--

http://shorl.com/jevukofrolelo
http://shorl.com/hunofetaprona
http://shorl.com/boranobrimise

Andy


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Nov 23 '05 #2

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Steve Atkins wrote:
There may be significant pressure to change the gateway to a two-way
gateway, sending all usenet posts to the mailing list, as part of the
"doing the paperwork" process. That may cause problems. On the other
hand without the full two-way gateway there's a risk of the forum
splitting into two parts, with mailing-list subscribers not seeing posts
from usenet participants, fragmenting threads and making both the
mailing list and the newsgroup less useful for all participants.


Actually, this is already done ... anyone not already subscribed is
generally what you see on the lists as 'old postings', since they are
stuck in the moderators queue until I get a chance to go through an
approve them (or reject spam) ... I try and do it every evening, but there
are periods where things are so busy that its delayed a few days ... but,
they do eventually get through ...
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: sc*****@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664

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Nov 23 '05 #3

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:42:40 -0800 (PST), ul****@yahoo.com (Andy M)
wrote:
ALERT

There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup. Many
of you know that this and most of the other postresql
mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
small number of private news servers.

"private news servers" like Earthlink and Altopia?

This "mailing list" is already a newsgroup on many servers. The
toothpaste is out of the tube. You can't put it back in.
Nov 23 '05 #4

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At 08:29 AM 11/6/2004, edward ohare wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:42:40 -0800 (PST), ul****@yahoo.com (Andy M)
wrote:
ALERT

There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup. Many
of you know that this and most of the other postresql
mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
small number of private news servers.

"private news servers" like Earthlink and Altopia?


He's confused. :)

This "mailing list" is already a newsgroup on many servers. The
toothpaste is out of the tube. You can't put it back in.


It can be fixed.
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Nov 23 '05 #5

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