monitor+keyboard+mouse together

[Romanise]

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

[George Graves]

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[Romanise]

> > An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest

possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

"Pat" <pkelecy@insightbb*no_spam*.com> wrote
Isn't this basically a laptop (or tablet) computer (opened up and hung on a
wall)? Seems like it should work.

Just a thought.

Laptop does work but if something cheaper and taking up even less
space will be desirable.

[John]

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

[George Graves]

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[John]

George Graves wrote:

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.
Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

They died because you applied to much pressure on the left button with
your foot. Most people use their hand to operate a mouse. You on the
other hand obviously never learned proper procedure. No surprise there.

[Rick G]

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:
>An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
>possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
>datawarehouses.
>
>Has anyone come across one?
>
>Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.
>
>£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
>a rack.
Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

George, isn't it immediately apparent how this could be operator error?
As a Mac user, you're not a true believer in the cult of the
right-click. Notice that your left click button failed. Obviously you've
not caught on to the simplicity and elegance of right-clicking
everything, waiting, then selecting from the context menu. I've often
wondered why Microsoft even includes the left-mouse button anymore, it
doesn't seem to serve any particularly useful purpose, as everything can
be done through the context menus.

Clearly Microsoft has abandoned the use of the left-click and is subtly
encouraging their users to do the same....

You'll remember this day as the day when Microsoft Innovated The Right
Button Only Mouse. Any similarities to any other company's one button
mouse are strictly denied, as this is clearly different. ;)

--
Rick...

[George Graves]

In article <Ri************************@news.telus.net>,
Rick G <Ri**@dot.dot> wrote:

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:
> In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
> dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:
>
>
>>An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
>>possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
>>datawarehouses.
>>
>>Has anyone come across one?
>>
>>Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.
>>
>>£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
>>a rack.
>
>
> Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
> replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
> intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
> replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.
>

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

George, isn't it immediately apparent how this could be operator error?
As a Mac user, you're not a true believer in the cult of the
right-click. Notice that your left click button failed. Obviously you've
not caught on to the simplicity and elegance of right-clicking
everything, waiting, then selecting from the context menu. I've often
wondered why Microsoft even includes the left-mouse button anymore, it
doesn't seem to serve any particularly useful purpose, as everything can
be done through the context menus.

Clearly Microsoft has abandoned the use of the left-click and is subtly
encouraging their users to do the same....

You'll remember this day as the day when Microsoft Innovated The Right
Button Only Mouse. Any similarities to any other company's one button
mouse are strictly denied, as this is clearly different. ;)

Yeah, I forgot about that. While I do use right click on my Macs (OSX
supports it quite nicely), I don't use it nearly as much as I do
left-click.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[George Graves]

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

>An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
>possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
>datawarehouses.
>
>Has anyone come across one?
>
>Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.
>
>£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
>a rack.
Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.
ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

They died because you applied to much pressure on the left button with
your foot. Most people use their hand to operate a mouse. You on the
other hand obviously never learned proper procedure. No surprise there.

John, you are a hoot.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[Rick G]

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

In article <Ri************************@news.telus.net>,
Rick G <Ri**@dot.dot> wrote:

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:

> George Graves wrote:
> > In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
> > dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
> >>possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
> >>datawarehouses.
> >>
> >>Has anyone come across one?
> >>
> >>Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.
> >>
> >>£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space
> >>in
> >>a rack.
> >
> >
> > Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
> > replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button
> > became
> > intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
> > replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.
> >
>
> ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably
> an
> operator error on your part George.

Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

George, isn't it immediately apparent how this could be operator error?
As a Mac user, you're not a true believer in the cult of the
right-click. Notice that your left click button failed. Obviously you've
not caught on to the simplicity and elegance of right-clicking
everything, waiting, then selecting from the context menu. I've often
wondered why Microsoft even includes the left-mouse button anymore, it
doesn't seem to serve any particularly useful purpose, as everything can
be done through the context menus.

Clearly Microsoft has abandoned the use of the left-click and is subtly
encouraging their users to do the same....

You'll remember this day as the day when Microsoft Innovated The Right
Button Only Mouse. Any similarities to any other company's one button
mouse are strictly denied, as this is clearly different. ;)

Yeah, I forgot about that. While I do use right click on my Macs (OSX
supports it quite nicely), I don't use it nearly as much as I do
left-click.

Have you tried Command and Option clicking? They are generally
consistent across applications as well. Just another nice touch in OSX.

--
Rick...

[George Graves]

In article <Ri************************@news.telus.net>,
Rick G <Ri**@dot.dot> wrote:

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

In article <Ri************************@news.telus.net>,
Rick G <Ri**@dot.dot> wrote:

In article <gm*******************************@news.sf.sbcglob al.net>,
George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> wrote:

> In article <10*************@news.supernews.com>,
> John <no****@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > George Graves wrote:
> > > In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
> > > dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
> > >>possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces
> > >>of
> > >>datawarehouses.
> > >>
> > >>Has anyone come across one?
> > >>
> > >>Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.
> > >>
> > >>£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space
> > >>in
> > >>a rack.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
> > > replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button
> > > became
> > > intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have
> > > to
> > > replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.
> > >
> >
> > ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably
> > an
> > operator error on your part George.
>
> Now how the hell could there be an "operator error" with a mouse?
> Besides both of my Intellimouse Explorers have died; the one for my
> laptop and the one for my desktop. Oh, I failed to mention: I bought
> them both in early 2000. They were almost 5 years old.

George, isn't it immediately apparent how this could be operator error?
As a Mac user, you're not a true believer in the cult of the
right-click. Notice that your left click button failed. Obviously you've
not caught on to the simplicity and elegance of right-clicking
everything, waiting, then selecting from the context menu. I've often
wondered why Microsoft even includes the left-mouse button anymore, it
doesn't seem to serve any particularly useful purpose, as everything can
be done through the context menus.

Clearly Microsoft has abandoned the use of the left-click and is subtly
encouraging their users to do the same....

You'll remember this day as the day when Microsoft Innovated The Right
Button Only Mouse. Any similarities to any other company's one button
mouse are strictly denied, as this is clearly different. ;)

Yeah, I forgot about that. While I do use right click on my Macs (OSX
supports it quite nicely), I don't use it nearly as much as I do
left-click.

Have you tried Command and Option clicking? They are generally
consistent across applications as well. Just another nice touch in OSX.

Yep! I have a button on my new Logitech Optical Trackman so configured.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[Steve Mackay]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:39:13 -0700, John wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.

Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Hey John, ya gotta use 'em, to wear 'em out! More proof WimpWeasel doesn't
use his computers :)

[Elizabot v2.0.1]

Steve Mackay wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:39:13 -0700, John wrote:

George Graves wrote:

In article <dc**************************@posting.google.com >,
dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Has anyone come across one?

Maybe someone would go into manufacturing it.

£800 Dell product I am told occupies equivalent of two server space in
a rack.
Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

Hey John, ya gotta use 'em, to wear 'em out! More proof WimpWeasel doesn't
use his computers :)

At least he's learned not to use his foot on the mouse!

--
By responding to Elizabot v2.0.1 you implicitly agree to the TOS at:
http://elizabot.spymac.net/

[Richard Watson]

George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> writes:

Have you tried Command and Option clicking? They are generally
consistent across applications as well. Just another nice touch in OSX.

Yep! I have a button on my new Logitech Optical Trackman so configured.

Hehe. That's funny. Apple simplify everything down to 1 button and then
add in features via Command and Option combinations, so you can then
go out and buy a mouse which has a button preset to emulate those
features.

I suppose at the very least it allows scope for user choice.

--
Richard Watson
http://www.opencolo.com/
High Quality, Value for money colocation

[Owen Rees]

On 25 Aug 2004 12:31:17 -0700, dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote in
<dc**************************@posting.google.com >:

Laptop does work but if something cheaper and taking up even less
space will be desirable.

Conventional solution is a 1U rack mount monitor+keyboard+pointer with
built-in 8 or 16 way KVM switch (pointer is not usually a mouse because
there is nowhere to operate it). A quick web search suggests that £1000+
is the going rate, depending exactly what you want.

You cant use any laptop/tablet I have ever seen as the monitor etc. for
another machine, so it is not a substitute. If you are administering the
servers remotely over the net, there is no need to hang the thing on the
rack.

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visit <http://homepages.tesco.net/~owen.rees/index.html#disclaimer>
for e-mail use "owen.rees at tesco.net" instead of the From address

[Richard Watson]

Owen Rees <or***@hotmail.com> writes:

You cant use any laptop/tablet I have ever seen as the monitor etc. for
another machine, so it is not a substitute.

Why couldn't you use a laptop and a serial port console? [Always assuming
that the laptop has a serial port which might be quite rare in newer
ones.]

Then a laptop and one of those serial port switch things would be all
you needed.

--
Richard Watson
http://www.opencolo.com/
High Quality, Value for money colocation

[George Graves]

In article <87************@bigriver.doilywood.lan>,
"Richard Watson" <ti********@doilywood.org.uk> wrote:

George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> writes:

Have you tried Command and Option clicking? They are generally
consistent across applications as well. Just another nice touch in OSX.

Yep! I have a button on my new Logitech Optical Trackman so configured.

Hehe. That's funny. Apple simplify everything down to 1 button and then
add in features via Command and Option combinations, so you can then
go out and buy a mouse which has a button preset to emulate those
features.

I suppose at the very least it allows scope for user choice.

You are overcomplicating things. The fact is, that Apple allows you to
work the way YOU want to work. Don't like right-click? There is nothing
in the OS that either requires it or suggests it. Want to use
right-click? Support is built-in to the OS, but again, it's entirely
optional, want more choices? They're there as well. But again, purely as
options. Unlike other OSes which ship multi-button mice with the
computer and are designed to use multiple buttons, Macs are designed to
be used how YOU want to use them.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[Stuart Millington]

[I would have trimmed the NG's, but I don't know which one you are
reading. Your selection of groups makes no sense - What has this got
to do with Indian culture, Mac advocacy or Postgres? It's only got a
vague connection with web authoring :( ]

On 25 Aug 2004 05:21:26 -0700, dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote:

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Would KVM-over-IP be any use? E.g.:
http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Produ...quicklinx=2TTB

I would not touch Belkin kit with a barge pole after their
"registration page incident" [1], but you could plug any laptop into a
spare port and access this?
[1] For anyone who has not already seen this a thousand times:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11...belkin_router/

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[Romanise]

Stuart Millington <ne**@dsv1.co.uk> wrote

[I would have trimmed the NG's, but I don't know which one you are
reading. Your selection of groups makes no sense - What has this got
to do with Indian culture, Mac advocacy or Postgres? It's only got a
vague connection with web authoring :( ]
I read soc.culture.indian, mostly. Other I chose by searching for
keywords and on the basis of how active the NG is.

An LCD monitor with keyboard and mouse capabilities on it, thinnest
possible, to hang on rack-door can be a boon for expensive spaces of
datawarehouses.

Would KVM-over-IP be any use? E.g.:
http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Produ...quicklinx=2TTB

I would not touch Belkin kit with a barge pole after their
"registration page incident" [1], but you could plug any laptop into a
spare port and access this?

I am now thinking of buying least expensive laptop and leave it in
the rack.
[1] For anyone who has not already seen this a thousand times:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11...belkin_router/

[Lars Tr?ger]

John <no****@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<10*************@news.supernews.com>...

George Graves wrote:

Bad idea if you ask me. Keyboards and mice wear out. I just had to
replace my MS Intelimouse Explorer because the left-click button became
intermittent and keys go bad on keyboards as well. I hate to have to
replace the whole shebang just because a mouse button went bad.

ZERO problems with three different Intellimouse Explorers. Probably an
operator error on your part George.

This is getting old now, but non the less stays true: use the damn things for once!

Lars T.

[Lars Tr?ger]

"Elizabot v2.0.1" <El******@NsOpSyPmAaMc.com> wrote in message news:<41***********************@news.frii.net>...

At least he's learned not to use his foot on the mouse!

It's in his mouth most of the time.

Lars T.

[Owen Rees]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:39:36 +0100, "Richard Watson"
<ti********@doilywood.org.uk> wrote in
<87************@bigriver.doilywood.lan>:

Why couldn't you use a laptop and a serial port console? [Always assuming
that the laptop has a serial port which might be quite rare in newer
ones.]

Then a laptop and one of those serial port switch things would be all
you needed.

If serial port access is good enough then that would work, but as with
the administration over the network, I don't see any need to be near the
rack if you take that route.

A quick Google turned up a serial port switch at $445 for 4 ports, $695
for 8 ports. If you are adding that to the cost of a laptop it does not
look particularly cheap to me.

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visit <http://homepages.tesco.net/~owen.rees/index.html#disclaimer>
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[Owen Rees]

On 25 Aug 2004 23:22:36 -0700, dm*****@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) wrote in
<dc**************************@posting.google.com >:

I am now thinking of buying least expensive laptop and leave it in
the rack.

What else is in the rack? How are you going to connect the laptop to it?

If you expect to be able to use the laptop as a monitor+keyboard+mouse
for some other system, make sure you see it being used like that before
you spend money on it - I have never seen a laptop that can be used like
that.

--
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visit <http://homepages.tesco.net/~owen.rees/index.html#disclaimer>
for e-mail use "owen.rees at tesco.net" instead of the From address

[Richard Watson]

Owen Rees <or***@hotmail.com> writes:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:39:36 +0100, "Richard Watson"
<ti********@doilywood.org.uk> wrote in
<87************@bigriver.doilywood.lan>:

Why couldn't you use a laptop and a serial port console? [Always assuming
that the laptop has a serial port which might be quite rare in newer
ones.]

Then a laptop and one of those serial port switch things would be all
you needed.
If serial port access is good enough then that would work, but as with
the administration over the network, I don't see any need to be near the
rack if you take that route.

Serial port console does give you a few extra things over remote
network admin. Mainly you get to use it if the network doesn't come up
for any reason.

Conversely what does a real monitor and keyboard get you that a serial
console doesn't - oh unless you wanted a GUI for some reason ;-)
A quick Google turned up a serial port switch at $445 for 4 ports, $695
for 8 ports. If you are adding that to the cost of a laptop it does not
look particularly cheap to me.

Fortunately Maplin has them for £10 for a 4-way one, however I think
by then it's got the level of not being able to fit easily into the
rack-mount environment.

--
Richard Watson
http://www.opencolo.com/
High Quality, Value for money colocation

[Richard Watson]

George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> writes:

Unlike other OSes which ship multi-button mice with the
computer and are designed to use multiple buttons, Macs are designed to
be used how YOU want to use them.

So, which OS is shipped with a mouse? Or are you assuming that
intel == windows == 3 button mouse ?
--
Richard Watson
http://www.opencolo.com/
High Quality, Value for money colocation

[Rick G]

In article <87************@bigriver.doilywood.lan>,
"Richard Watson" <ti********@doilywood.org.uk> wrote:

George Graves <gm*********@pacbell.net> writes:

Unlike other OSes which ship multi-button mice with the
computer and are designed to use multiple buttons, Macs are designed to
be used how YOU want to use them.

So, which OS is shipped with a mouse? Or are you assuming that
intel == windows == 3 button mouse ?

For quite some time, vendors sold OEM windows with mice (or any other
form of hardware, often quite trivial such as bolts/nuts).

--
Rick...