correlated delete with "in" and "left outer join"

[mike]

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the primary key
of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in LogEvent do not
correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we need to purge the
non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

The query is:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID in
(select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null);

I understand that using "in" is not very efficient.

Is there some other way to write this query without the "in"?

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[Michael Glaesemann]

On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:26 AM, <mi**@linkify.com> wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.
<snip />
I understand that using "in" is not very efficient.

Is there some other way to write this query without the "in"?

NOT EXISTS ( ) is sometimes more efficient. If at all possible, upgrade
to 7.4.1. One of the many things that have improved since 7.3.2 is the
efficiency of queries using IN.

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[Stephan Szabo]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 mi**@linkify.com wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the primary key
of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in LogEvent do not
correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we need to purge the
non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

The query is:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID in
(select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null);

I understand that using "in" is not very efficient.

Is there some other way to write this query without the "in"?

Perhaps
delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and not exists
(select * from Item i where i.ItemID=LogEvent.ItemID);

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[Mike Mascari]

Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 mi**@linkify.com wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the primary key
of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in LogEvent do not
correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we need to purge the
non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

The query is:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID in
(select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null);

I understand that using "in" is not very efficient.

Is there some other way to write this query without the "in"?

Perhaps
delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and not exists
(select * from Item i where i.ItemID=LogEvent.ItemID);

Maybe I'm not reading his subquery correctly, but the left outer
join will produce a row from LogEvent regardless of whether or not a
matching row exists in Item, correct? So doesn't it reduce to:

DELETE FROM LogEvent WHERE EventType <> 'i';

???

Mike Mascari

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[Mike Mascari]

Mike Mascari wrote:

Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 mi**@linkify.com wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the
primary key
of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in LogEvent
do not
correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we need to purge the
non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

Perhaps
delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and not exists
(select * from Item i where i.ItemID=LogEvent.ItemID);

Maybe I'm not reading his subquery correctly, but the left outer join
will produce a row from LogEvent regardless of whether or not a matching
row exists in Item, correct? So doesn't it reduce to:

DELETE FROM LogEvent WHERE EventType <> 'i';

I failed to read what he was trying to accomplish and assumed the
original query was precisely what he intended. My apologies...

Mike Mascari

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[mike]

The subquery will always return a row from LogEvent, but that row's itemID
will be null if theitemID doesn't match a row from Item. That's why the subquery has the
"and i.ItemID is null".

Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 mi**@linkify.com wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the
primary key of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in
LogEvent do not correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we
need to purge the non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

The query is:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID in
(select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i on
e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null);

I understand that using "in" is not very efficient.

Is there some other way to write this query without the "in"?

Perhaps
delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and not exists
(select * from Item i where i.ItemID=LogEvent.ItemID);

Maybe I'm not reading his subquery correctly, but the left outer
join will produce a row from LogEvent regardless of whether or not a
matching row exists in Item, correct? So doesn't it reduce to:

DELETE FROM LogEvent WHERE EventType <> 'i';

???

Mike Mascari

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[Mike Mascari]

mi**@linkify.com wrote:

The subquery will always return a row from LogEvent, but that row's itemID
will be null if the itemID doesn't match a row from Item.
That's why the subquery has the "and i.ItemID is null".

You lost me.

[test@lexus] \d foo
Table "public.foo"
Column | Type | Modifiers
--------+---------+-----------
key | integer |

[test@lexus] \d bar
Table "public.bar"
Column | Type | Modifiers
--------+---------+-----------
key | integer |
value | text |

[test@lexus] select * from foo;
key
-----
1
3
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select * from bar;
key | value
-----+-------
1 | Mike
2 | Joe
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select f.key from foo f left outer join bar b on f.key
= b.key and b.key is null;
key
-----
1
3
(2 rows)

To do what I think you believe to be happening w.r.t. outer joins,
you'd have to have a subquery like:

[test@lexus] select a.fookey
test-# FROM
test-# (SELECT foo.key AS fookey, bar.key as barkey FROM foo LEFT
OUTER JOIN bar ON foo.key = bar.key) AS a
test-# WHERE a.barkey IS NULL;
fookey
--------
3
(1 row)

Nevertheless, Stephan's solution matches your description of the
problem and excutes the logical equivalent of the above much more
rapidly...

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[Michael Chaney]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 06:26:19PM -0800, mi**@linkify.com wrote:

I'm using postgresl 7.3.2 and have a query that executes very slowly.

There are 2 tables: Item and LogEvent. ItemID (an int4) is the
primary key
of Item, and is also a field in LogEvent. Some ItemIDs in LogEvent do
not
correspond to ItemIDs in Item, and periodically we need to purge the
non-matching ItemIDs from LogEvent.

delete from LogEvent where EventType!='i' and
ItemID not in (select ItemID from Item);

delete from LogEvent where EventType!='i' and
not exists (select * from Item where Item.ItemID=LogEvent.ItemID);

You might also use a foreign key, cascading delete, etc. As for the
query style, I've had cases with the latest 7.4 where the "in" style
wasn't optimized but the "exists" style was. It's the exact same query,
and technically the optimizer should figure that out. Use "explain" to
see if it's being optimized to use indexes or if it's just doing table
scans.

Michael
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[Stephan Szabo]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Mike Mascari wrote:

To do what I think you believe to be happening w.r.t. outer joins,
you'd have to have a subquery like:

[test@lexus] select a.fookey
test-# FROM
test-# (SELECT foo.key AS fookey, bar.key as barkey FROM foo LEFT
OUTER JOIN bar ON foo.key = bar.key) AS a
test-# WHERE a.barkey IS NULL;

This AFAICS is pretty much what he did, except that he didn't alias the
join which is okay I believe. He had one condition in on and two
conditions in where.

The original subquery looked like:
select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null
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[Mike Mascari]

Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Mike Mascari wrote:

To do what I think you believe to be happening w.r.t. outer joins,
you'd have to have a subquery like:

[test@lexus] select a.fookey
test-# FROM
test-# (SELECT foo.key AS fookey, bar.key as barkey FROM foo LEFT
OUTER JOIN bar ON foo.key = bar.key) AS a
test-# WHERE a.barkey IS NULL;

This AFAICS is pretty much what he did, except that he didn't alias the
join which is okay I believe. He had one condition in on and two
conditions in where.

The original subquery looked like:
select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null

That is indeed the original subquery. But the 'i.ItemID is null'
condition doesn't change the IN list one iota. He was somehow
expecting the subquery to yield records internally like:

1 NULL
2 NULL
3 3

and simultaneously have the condition 'i.ItemID is null' eliminate
the third tuple. But that is not how the left outer join executes.
The 'i.ItemID is null' condition is evaluated, probably always to
false, which ensures that the left outer join will never find a
matching row from the 'Item' relation and, if queried not as a
subquery but stand-alone as:

select distinct e.ItemID, i.ItemID
from LogEvent e left outer join Item i on e.ItemID = i.ItemID
where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null

would always yield a relation of the form:

e.ItemID NULL

for every e.ItemID whose e.EventType != 'i'. That ain't right.

Another example:

[test@lexus] select * from foo;
key
-----
1
3
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select * from bar;
key | value
-----+-------
1 | Mike
2 | Joe
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select foo.key, bar.key from foo left outer join bar on
foo.key = bar.key and bar.key is null;
key | key
-----+-----
1 |
3 |
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select foo.key, bar.key from foo left outer join bar on
foo.key = bar.key;
key | key
-----+-----
1 | 1
3 |
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select a.fookey, a.barkey from (select foo.key as
fookey, bar.key as barkey from foo left outer join bar on foo.key =
bar.key) as a where a.barkey is null;
fookey | barkey
--------+--------
3 |
(1 row)
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[Michael Chaney]

> >The original subquery looked like:

select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null

Please, before continuing this thread, read my post below. What you're
all getting around to, albeit painfully, is that this subquery is
worthless as-is. This is the mysql way of finding rows in one table
with no match in another without the convenience of the "in" or "exists"
constructs.

Because we're using Postgres and have those constructs, the original
query can be rewritten simply with either:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID not in
(select ItemID from Item)

That's it. That's the whole query. It does what he wants.

Michael
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[Mike Mascari]

Michael Chaney wrote:

Please, before continuing this thread, read my post below. What you're
all getting around to, albeit painfully, is that this subquery is
worthless as-is. This is the mysql way of finding rows in one table
with no match in another without the convenience of the "in" or "exists"
constructs.

Because we're using Postgres and have those constructs, the original
query can be rewritten simply with either:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID not in
(select ItemID from Item)

That's it. That's the whole query. It does what he wants.
One more minor point. :-)

If you are using 7.3 or earlier, PostgreSQL will sequentially scan
the IN subquery result, which executes quite slowly and therefore
the EXISTS method Stephan stated should be used:

DELETE FROM LogEvent
WHERE EventType != 'i' AND NOT EXISTS (
SELECT 1
FROM Item
WHERE Item.ItemID = LogEvent.ItemID
);

If you are using >= 7.4, then your query above is optimal:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/s...ml#RELEASE-7-4

Just something to consider,

Mike Mascari

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[Michael Chaney]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:05:48PM -0500, Mike Mascari wrote:

Michael Chaney wrote:

Please, before continuing this thread, read my post below. What you're
all getting around to, albeit painfully, is that this subquery is
worthless as-is. This is the mysql way of finding rows in one table
with no match in another without the convenience of the "in" or "exists"
constructs.

Because we're using Postgres and have those constructs, the original
query can be rewritten simply with either:

delete from LogEvent where EventType != 'i' and ItemID not in
(select ItemID from Item)

That's it. That's the whole query. It does what he wants.

One more minor point. :-)

If you are using 7.3 or earlier, PostgreSQL will sequentially scan
the IN subquery result, which executes quite slowly and therefore
the EXISTS method Stephan stated should be used:

DELETE FROM LogEvent
WHERE EventType != 'i' AND NOT EXISTS (
SELECT 1
FROM Item
WHERE Item.ItemID = LogEvent.ItemID
);

If you are using >= 7.4, then your query above is optimal:

Not necessarily. I had a query just last week that still wouldn't
optimize with the "in" notation, but did optimize with "exists"
notation. My other post about this showed both queries for that reason,
but I still feel that, for academic purposes, the "in" clause is far
more readable.

Anyway, good point.

Michael
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[Stephan Szabo]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Mike Mascari wrote:

Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Mike Mascari wrote:

To do what I think you believe to be happening w.r.t. outer joins,
you'd have to have a subquery like:

[test@lexus] select a.fookey
test-# FROM
test-# (SELECT foo.key AS fookey, bar.key as barkey FROM foo LEFT
OUTER JOIN bar ON foo.key = bar.key) AS a
test-# WHERE a.barkey IS NULL;
This AFAICS is pretty much what he did, except that he didn't alias the
join which is okay I believe. He had one condition in on and two
conditions in where.

The original subquery looked like:
select distinct e.ItemID from LogEvent e left outer join Item i
on e.ItemID = i.ItemID where e.EventType != 'i' and i.ItemID is null

That is indeed the original subquery. But the 'i.ItemID is null'
condition doesn't change the IN list one iota. He was somehow

.... Another example:

[test@lexus] select * from foo;
key
-----
1
3
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select * from bar;
key | value
-----+-------
1 | Mike
2 | Joe
(2 rows)

[test@lexus] select foo.key, bar.key from foo left outer join bar on
foo.key = bar.key and bar.key is null;

ON conditions and WHERE conditions are different.

Try
select foo.key, bar.key from foo left outer join bar on foo.key=bar.key
where bar.key is null;

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[Mike Mascari]

Stephan Szabo wrote:

ON conditions and WHERE conditions are different.

Try
select foo.key, bar.key from foo left outer join bar on foo.key=bar.key
where bar.key is null;

Yep. Sorry.

Mike Mascari

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